2015 FB season

[rbaggie]

Nat, I enjoy your posts and like to learn how you see things. But I do think you can win games with this roster, I don't suggest we go Woody Hayes against the giants. But we do need to be able to run the ball and will be better behind this years line I think we shall see. I am not chasing windmills. but these things can work. IMHO

 

[ptbo]

There are too many variables. There are multiple Purdue teams, good, bad, and ugly. If we play like we did against Minny/MSU then we should get to 6-7 wins. Our issue has always been consistency so I am thinking we end up with 4 wins. If it is 3 again I want our coach fired as his on the field performance would suck and so have been the recruiting classes so far. I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by rbaggie:
What is basically wrong with the schemes? and/or the teaching. I have attending multiple practices and have thought they were thorough in the drills and instruction, although I cannot see film or group rooms. I think we might agree that the roster must mature and perform in the near future, in a winning way.

They have installed 4 distinct offenses in two years along with continual unrest at the skill positions is reflective of poor player identification and utilization.

Take the most effective offense, the read option from last year. Their answer for guys stacking the box was that little flip play to the TE that never worked. Despite my numerous ramblings I dont think Im some football expert. However, anyone can watch pretty much any game and hear thoughtful analysis about how good teams counter opponents actions with a variety of plays. They have done this at times, but its hardly surprising to me no one gets open. Its just not complex enough to trick guys out of their assignments/gaps. This is also evidenced by each offense being productive enough until the defense responds and then the yards stop. They have no counter.

Announcers tore us apart in 2013 for not creating efffective matchups. The cincy game in particular, they pointed out how we had cincys best defender lined up against the Holmes, who was still a receiving TE. That DE had a good game that day. Remember when the coaches announced that they couldnt always allign corners with a side of the field because the opponent was putting their best wr against our second corner? It took them until MSU to figure it out.

 

[uncleboiler]

Hope went 7-6 his third year after going 9-15 his first 2 years...6-7 in year 4 got him fired

hazell goes into his third year at 4-20, so 7-6 should be the minimum to define success and progress, anything less, and he'll lose what little support he has.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by Purdue Alumnus:

How many wins will it take this fall to have a successful season?

With the staff and the roster they've brought....and I'm in no way criticizing the players....if no one loses an arm or leg it will be a successful season. Two wins likely, three a bonus, and four....well, let's just say there are miracles every day if you watch.

 

[since1980]

6 wins and playing in a bowl game will be progress and have us on the right track. I think we win 7 or 8.

-I think the QB/WR play will determine our success.

-Our defense played pretty well considering how much they had to be on the field last year, and I only see them getting better with our linebackers having more experience.
- Our offensive line is back and should be solid enough to give us a chance.

There are a lot of average teams in the BIG10 behind OSU and MSU, and we don't play OSU. We competed decently on the road last year even in losses which gives me hope that with good QB play we can win a few more this year.

I think with good QB play, we start 5-1, and then beat ILL, either NW or Iowa on the road, and then IU at home....giving us 8 wins.

I think with the same QB play we got last year (average to poor), we can still go 6-6 because of a more mature group around him and familiarity with the system. We start out 3-2 (losing to VT and MSU) and then can beat MINN, ILL and IU at home.

All wishful thinking on my part. I like Hazell and want to see him succeed and be a long term fit.

 

[RealVaBoiler]

7, as a minimum!
Anything less means there has been NO since the previous staff departed.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[GipperProductions]

7-6 and 6-6 were not good enough when Hope was there. I'm tired of Hope catching the blame for 1-11 and 3-9 seasons. Appleby would have thrived throwing to Bush, Ross, McCarthy, Hunt and Cottom. With Purdue's division yearly playing NW, Ill, Wis, Neb, Iowa, Minn & IU yearly and no Notre Dame, 8 wins better be the minimum expectations from Burke and the alumni. Let the students in free and fill the stadium, fire the big military gun after every score and make Ross-Ade a menacing place to go into now, That empty stadium is pitiful in attracting 4 & 5 star players.

 

[OhioBoiler3]

For the 100th time, we weren't getting many 4* and no 5* when the stadium was full.

 

[BarringtonBoiler]

People still seem to think that if you build it people will come. Burke should not have hired Hope period! End of story, he did and we have been set back for years and are still trying to dig ourselves out! Updating the facilities should have been done well before Burke! Purdue is cheap and has alway been cheap! - The Hazell hiring was the only option! Purdue paid, because they had no choice.

We only have 16 varsity sports, this is the lowest you can have, because that is all we can afford! Basketball is still a work in progress as I see it and football will win four games this year which is one more than last year. Are we showing improvement yes, but I find it funny how people are saying we need 6 wins to be successful! Sorry, success is winning one more game than than last years three wins! What team have you guys been watching for the past four years in a row!

I would love to return to the late 60's, but that is not going to happen. We are in a Big Time conference with a mid american conference budget, talent and fan base! I know that is hard to accept, but the butts in the seats are a fact so lets just try to improve one game a year and maybe we can hope for two and make it to five wins. I know what I saw on the field last year and unless we now have an influx of freshman talent that can play in their first year I will take four wins in 2015! I am a realist and am not delusional.

 

[esteroboiler9]

+1

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

HAHA we're back to the we shouldn't have fired Hope crowd... Whether you like Hazel or not Hope would still be topping out at 6 or so wins a year. So pick your poison. At least with Hazel we still have a prayer that he's turning it around, time will tell after this season. Either way, Hope was not the right choice. Could be 2 wrong choices in a row which should end his job in the most important decision an AD can make. 3 bad choices if you also consider letting Tiller hand on for too long.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Dr_billy_badass:
HAHA we're back to the we shouldn't have fired Hope crowd... Whether you like Hazel or not Hope would still be topping out at 6 or so wins a year. So pick your poison. At least with Hazel we still have a prayer that he's turning it around, time will tell after this season. Either way, Hope was not the right choice. Could be 2 wrong choices in a row which should end his job in the most important decision an AD can make. 3 bad choices if you also consider letting Tiller hand on for too long.

Im not sure how fair it is to blame any of them Tiller, Hope or Hazell. Hazell to me has made the worst decisions of the bunch implementing the things he did with what he had. and its very clear to me Purdue is just unwilling to spend the money to be competitive on coaches or facilities.

I would include Burke in the initial mention if I concretely knew that the cheapness came from above, but as others have said, it could be him too.

 

[boiler17]

Also, yes, if we build it they will come.

They should immediately up the assistant coaching staff pay to at least middle of the B1G. Its the cheapest move they have. Then, they should build better player ammenities. Again, at least to middle of the road B1G. Then, you do the south endzone/stadium. Except that they need to install wifi now, or more accurately 5 years ago. They are saving money by not doing so, but they are really just borrowing it from all the younger fans that wont be contributors in ten years.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

Originally posted by boiler17:

Originally posted by Dr_billy_badass:
HAHA we're back to the we shouldn't have fired Hope crowd... Whether you like Hazel or not Hope would still be topping out at 6 or so wins a year. So pick your poison. At least with Hazel we still have a prayer that he's turning it around, time will tell after this season. Either way, Hope was not the right choice. Could be 2 wrong choices in a row which should end his job in the most important decision an AD can make. 3 bad choices if you also consider letting Tiller hand on for too long.

Im not sure how fair it is to blame any of them Tiller, Hope or Hazell. Hazell to me has made the worst decisions of the bunch implementing the things he did with what he had. and its very clear to me Purdue is just unwilling to spend the money to be competitive on coaches or facilities.

I would include Burke in the initial mention if I concretely knew that the cheapness came from above, but as others have said, it could be him too.

Well you could kind of read between the lines of what I was saying and come to the same conclusion. I didn't want this thread to go too wild so I left it implied. At this point, Burke has to be held accountable for letting Tiller stay too long, picking a horrible replacement, trying to pretend he has the money to invest in the program and bringing in a bigger money guy, then turning around and charging it all back to the fans he just told he had plenty of resources form. Then finally managing to give the university left, but haven't basically all but 500k of it already allocated to cost of being in the NCAA type things.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Dr_billy_badass:

Well you could kind of read between the lines of what I was saying and come to the same conclusion. I didn't want this thread to go too wild so I left it implied. At this point, Burke has to be held accountable for letting Tiller stay too long, picking a horrible replacement, trying to pretend he has the money to invest in the program and bringing in a bigger money guy, then turning around and charging it all back to the fans he just told he had plenty of resources form. Then finally managing to give the university left, but haven't basically all but 500k of it already allocated to cost of being in the NCAA type things.

Yeah, we are basically on the same page. Im not so sure that Tiller didnt suffer from poor assistants/constant turnover due to low salaries. Im also not so convinced Burke's hands arent tied on total revenue.

I do think he allocates what he has very poorly. He is terrible with the press too.

Thats great and all that we have these values of not having tuition money go to sports, but at a certain point either keep up with the Joneses or let the dream go. The top 25 lip service with bottom 50 d-1 resources is old/frusterating.

I would still love to see a cost analysis of what it would have cost to pay assistants in the top 4-6 in the big ten, and upgrade player facilities to the same level from say 2002-4 versus what revenue has been in reality. I bet its nearly the same, the big difference being that we are still cheap with nothing to attract anyone.

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

But who needs football resources when you see the look on the faces of all those softball players as they step into their brand new stadium.... that's priceless.

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by Dr_billy_badass:
But who needs football resources when you see the look on the faces of all those softball players as they step into their brand new stadium.... that's priceless.

Its all about the directors cup baby!

 

[RealVaBoiler]

B17-
I think 7 Ws treads water for another year, but 8 Ws would demonstrate " improvement" over the performance of the previous staff. Fewer than 8 does not.
Posted from Rivals Mobile

 

[RegionWarrior101]

Where do you find 7 or 8 wins on that schedule?

Wow. I wish I could be that optimistic. Did you watch the last month of the season? I think 6 is a stretch.

WINS
Indiana State
Bowling Green
Illinois

MAYBE
Marshall
Minnesota
Northwestern
Indiana
Iowa

NO
Virginia Tech
Michigan State
Wisconsin
Nebraska

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

I feel if the team can play like they did in middle of season, and to me they should be better, then every game is winnable, I mean no team really is that outstanding on the schedule. Not saying Purdue will win all of them, just that I feel that no game is out of reach.

 

[boiler17]

I didnt think the execution was that much better than what they had been doing during the middle of the year. They just got a lame duck to the bench, effectively used some speed guys, and had an element of surprise for a couple weeks.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

But Purdue was in the games, had a chance, even at Nebraska, the score was worse than what really happened. i might get my mind changed after a few games , but i think the team can win these games

 

[boiler17]

Originally posted by FLAG HUNTER:

But Purdue was in the games, had a chance, even at Nebraska, the score was worse than what really happened. i might get my mind changed after a few games , but i think the team can win these games

Sorry, I should have read more clearly. I agree they can, and there were a lot of good plays in those games that had nothing to do with Hunt and Mostert being fast.

I just dont think they will. The middle of the season could be reflective of growth. But if I cut out 2/3rds of any season, I can make it look pretty good.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Just thinking positive, I think this is the do or die year for the coaching staff

 

[boiler17]

Keep that struggle Sir.

I got tired of being positive and then disappointed long ago.

I sure hope this is a do or die year for them. My Purdue Football inner self has been in limbo for so long now.

More articulately, I think until we start spending on par with middle of the big ten that the program will be less than the sum of its parts.

 

[fijifred]

GipperProductions posted on 3/8/2015..." 7-6 and 6-6 were not good enough when Hope was there. I'm tired of Hope catching the blame for 1-11 and 3-9 seasons. Appleby would have thrived throwing to Bush, Ross, McCarthy, Hunt and Cottom. With Purdue's division yearly playing NW, Ill, Wis, Neb, Iowa, Minn & IU yearly and no Notre Dame, 8 wins better be the minimum expectations from Burke and the alumni. Let the students in free and fill the stadium, fire the big military gun after every score and make Ross-Ade a menacing place to go into now. That empty stadium is pitiful..."

I agree that Coach Hope get too much blame and that Purdue's record the past two years would have been better with Danny at the helm.

I do like Sophomore to be,Bentley, and this year's recruiting class. If Wilson and Turner can play as freshmen and Young and the French kid can catch the ball, this could be a good season!

 

[Augie85]

Per Journal and Courier article.
Purdue has the 6th toughest schedule in the country this year. Then if you look ND's is the 61st toughest schedule.

Domers dumb it down for wins!!!!