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I think we’re in a new era with the transfer portal being what it is. There are a number of teams like Miami and KSU that have capitalized.
Painter is an excellent coach and I don’t want to see him make wholesale changes, but the one area that I would like to see some tuning is in strengthening the relationship with the Boilermaker Alliance to both bring in transfers and reward the current roster. I know that Painter is not over the Alliance, but small tweaks to how he talks about NIL would be helpful. It’s not about buying players or making NIL the reason that they come to Purdue as much as it is removing NIL as the reason why they don’t come to Purdue.
Had Painter been able to convince Pack to come, I think that this season ends much differently and many of the struggles against pressure never materialize. I know it’s hard to compete with that kind of money when you don’t even realize what kind of game you are in yet, but there are other transfers across the country who could have been very helpful. Nothing that I am saying is rocket science and I am sure the adjustments are being made and the resources are coming, but hopefully the adjustments can be made quickly enough to impact this recruiting cycle.
Painter is an excellent coach and I don’t want to see him make wholesale changes, but the one area that I would like to see some tuning is in strengthening the relationship with the Boilermaker Alliance to both bring in transfers and reward the current roster. I know that Painter is not over the Alliance, but small tweaks to how he talks about NIL would be helpful. It’s not about buying players or making NIL the reason that they come to Purdue as much as it is removing NIL as the reason why they don’t come to Purdue.
Had Painter been able to convince Pack to come, I think that this season ends much differently and many of the struggles against pressure never materialize. I know it’s hard to compete with that kind of money when you don’t even realize what kind of game you are in yet, but there are other transfers across the country who could have been very helpful. Nothing that I am saying is rocket science and I am sure the adjustments are being made and the resources are coming, but hopefully the adjustments can be made quickly enough to impact this recruiting cycle.
Still have four of the top 16 seeds. Some interesting match-ups left for the Regional Finals:
WEST - Connecticut (4)/Gonzaga (3)
EAST - Florida Atlantic (9)/Kansas State (3)
SOUTH - San Diego State (5)/Creighton (6)
MIDWEST - Miami (5)/Texas (2)
Recent poll for re-seeding:
UConn
Texas
Gonzaga
Kansas State/Miami
San Diego State
Creighton
Florida Atlantic
From what I have seen, UConn and Miami have been the most impressive to me, above Texas and Kansas State. UConn has been absolutely smoking everyone - that should be a good match with Gonzaga.
Still.....anybody's guess this year, for sure.
WEST - Connecticut (4)/Gonzaga (3)
EAST - Florida Atlantic (9)/Kansas State (3)
SOUTH - San Diego State (5)/Creighton (6)
MIDWEST - Miami (5)/Texas (2)
Recent poll for re-seeding:
UConn
Texas
Gonzaga
Kansas State/Miami
San Diego State
Creighton
Florida Atlantic
From what I have seen, UConn and Miami have been the most impressive to me, above Texas and Kansas State. UConn has been absolutely smoking everyone - that should be a good match with Gonzaga.
Still.....anybody's guess this year, for sure.
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I'd say there's definitely a lot more parity in college basketball with the portal and the option for the top tier guys to go straight to the gleague or other development league out of high school.
hmmmm......so maybe there are other coaches out there that Purdue could get if Painter was gone.
If the portal guard we sign this year resembles Jenkins more than Pack, then you will have your answer.
They could get Shaka, who is 2-9 in the dance since 2012. He's making $3mill.
Or Crean ! Or Mike Davis ! They both made Final Fours !!
Which one of these soon-to-be Final Four coaches should we go after ?
Rodney Terry?
Dusty May?
Brian Dutcher ?
Let's also be honest, this was the year that the sea parted, red carpet was laid and ushers were waving for Painter and a trip to the FF. You couldn't have picked an easier path. That makes this even more difficult to watch.
I agree. But, for perspective, who had those expectations going into the season?
The expectations are always Tourney success. It just is. You have a regular season and then the post season. Success in the post season is always where expectations are either met or not. Expecting to get bounced by a "play in" 16 seed should have never been in the plan. I mean, it can't be looked at any other way. This team wasn't flawless, but wasn't talentless either. NPOTY? Mr Basketball winners on the court as well? Sports is the ultimate meritocracy. Your sex, gender, age, race doesn't matter. It's performance based and evaluated. Painter is barely .500 in the tourney. If he just hit his layups as a coach and beat the double digit seeds and win the seeding matchups, he'd be better. And, for Pete's sake, if he performed to the level some seem to be trying to convince others that he is, and do the upsetting instead of being the upset.....then we could talk about him being much more than mediocre. Just winning what clearly in hind sight a very down B10G league and tourney, isn't going to cover up another March Meltdown. We all here have our own thoughts and opinions. And, if yours is holding up a shiny B10G trophy, I am totally fine with that. Seriously, I'm good with that being your mountaintop. It's just not mine for my school and my money. No, I'm not switching schools. No, I'm not rooting for another program. No, I'm not sending my kids/grandkids to another school. No, I'm not stopping my JPC payments. But, I'm also not celebrating a NCAA flameout again.
Good post.
But no one is celebrating the flameout. Every Purdue fan hates what happened. But many people want to over-simplify what happened. Or they completely missed the game and repeat what others have been saying. People have their favorite chants.
- Replace Painter and we'll get a National Championship
- Play zone defense and we'll get a National Championship
- Don't play through Edey and we'll get a National Championship
- Don't play Morton and we'll get a National Championship
- Don't miss on Nigel Pack and we would get a National Championship
- Recruit guys who can create their own shots and we'll get a National Championship
As you stated, the talent was there. Two years in a row, the talent was there. And this year, the open shots were there. Players just weren't hitting. Something mental happened to this team, and they stopped hitting wide open shots. That part is simple. But why? That is the complicated part. It's the mental part. Painter must figure that out. It should be unacceptible to everyone associated with the team and everyone should be focussed on fixing it.
I agree with a lot of this. We part ways with where the blame goes. We're not that far apart here. But, that's ok with me. I think Painter has failed and I'm not afraid of trying to do better. You think otherwise and I respect that.
You should be the designated spokesman for the Anti Painter crowd. Great post.
My question is, how many available coaches average more than 1 NCAA win per season at their respective schools?
I’d rather keep building this program than to spend $16 million to tear it all down and start from scratch with John Groce, Archie Miller, Chris Holtmann, etc.
Especially when we are at a decided disadvantage financially, and have to employ moneyball strategies (playing thru post/playing with kids who will come for just a scholarship) to be competitive.
What we have here is a difference in ideology. You fear ending up with Groce, Miller or Holtmann. I optimistically think we find the next May. I've never feared failure in striving for higher success. It's how I'm wired. I don't fear whats behind the green door.
If Purdue cant compete (NIL/recruiting) with southern gulf-state football schools, then we have major problems.
who would take this job after Bobinski just fired the B1G championship coach?
Actually I don't think otherwise. We are in agreement when it comes to blame. Painter has to figure out why the players lost their confidence. It's on him to fix it. What happened is inexcusable, because it had been spiralling down for weeks.
Where I differ with some here is the notion that any change is better than what we have. That is speaking from their emotions.
I also have no sympathy for entitled people who claim that Purdue is not competing in the NIL to get them their banner, yet these people have made it clear they are not contributing. They are entitled to a banner and they are entitled to someone with more money than they have getting the banner for them. Someone even cited Drew Brees' net worth and claimed that Brees should buy a team for Painter. Then they blamed Painter for being too stubborn to ask Brees to open his wallet. That is entitlement stupidity, and I want to believe it did not come from a Purdue grad.
What logical, successful and confident coach would look at a stretch of disappointments culminating in a historic flameout would not expect to be let go after making history in a awful way? Any competent coach would look at that and think they could have made the FF with that group after being at #1 for weeks. Seriously.
I just hope that everyone who thinks Purdue should be competing in the NIL is not expecting others to open their wallets just to make them happy.
So, we have almost nothing to disagree about here. Other than I'm clearly more "open" to making a change at the HC level. I'm not "calling" for it, but would be open to it and would if I were in charge.
All college basketball coaches (and most college hoops fans) know this was never a top 10 team.
Do you have a name?
Neither was SDS, Miami, FAU or Uconn....yet here they are. They also didn't have POY or considered #1....yet here they are. We did, were and suffered an embarrassing historic loss. Never before, likely never repeated. And, a name? Pudintane.
Hard to take your argument of replacing Painter very seriously when you don’t have a clue of who to replace him with…
Yes, you're the authority here. We need to run every opinion past you and make sure YOU find it worthy. In fact, you should start up your own message board. Allow only those you agree with and create an echo chamber. You save a ton of energy barking at everyone here.
Nah, I respect someone like Bone for at least having an opinion. “Someone else, anyone else” really isn’t an opinion.
I know Purdue people like you in real life, and they are what I would call casual hoops fans. Like people who remember the rebound Grady didn’t get, but not the one he did get.
Full disclosure: By the end of the game with FDU, I was on the fire Painter bandwagon. I'm just guessing, but probably the vast majority of Purdue fans were on board. But when I saw the insanity of some of the people on that bandwagon, I had to stop and ask: Where are we going? It was like a mob mentality. And it became clear that the self-entitled whiners were driving and screaming the loudest.
I mean blue bloods are regrouping from coaching changes. Duke, UNC, Nova, Kansas had Self issues. Dont act like this will be a normal trend.
When you start asking, “who are we replacing him with” is when it starts to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak.
Are we paying Painter $16 million to go away so we can fight Texas tech and Texas for Dusty May or Brian Dutcher ?
I'm not the person that said those things but I will chime in anyway.
Brees joined the Boilermaker Alliance in September and was quoted "Boilermaker Alliance will also provide all our amazing coaches the resources they need to compete for championships". So it's not a matter of CMP asking Brees to open his wallet. He has already said the resources will be there.
You want to talk about Stupidity? It was stupid when CMP said "If NIL is important to you Purdue may not be for you". Name 1 other P5 coach that said that. You won't be able to.
I do not want CMP fired. I do want him to change his stance on NIL and to do it publicly so we are not at a disadvantage. The Alliance was established just for this purpose, he needs to use it to every advantage possible.
You don't know anything about me "in real life". You're exhausting. Have a great time with chasing posters making sure you get in the last word. Clearly thats a priority to you. 😉 Enjoy.
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