Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost tix revenue?

[Redhotfill]

I saw the post below at Hammer and Rails and wanted to know if its true?




"Purdue just spent $3M from our 'rainy day fund' to cover the losses from an empty Ross-Ade. So, arguably, one could say that Purdue should have spent a total of $5M (rainy day + Hazell salary) on a big name coach to begin with…which would have put us in the top 5 of all college coaches. With a top-5 coach, you could practically guarantee recruits and a full Ross-Ade. With revenue from big-time bowl games and increased merchandise, the net result would be same (a program in the black)…except for one glaring difference: the alums would have a weird feeling to contend with: happiness and superiority.


Personally I'd go with Pelini, as he's proven to not take any s__t from a substandard AD, but that's just me. And I like the fact that he uses profanity. The wussification of America has now reached epic proportions [See: Sony]."
This post was edited on 12/24 9:22 AM by Redhotfill

 

[nat100]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Yep
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[boiler17]

Any insights on what our reserves are and whats a normal amount for a non pedigree p5 school?

They have needed incentive to take a fresh look at things for far too long.

Purdue/Burke is pretty bad about anticipating issues, but not terrible at fixing current problems imo.

What are we doing with BTN money that we had to pay out of reserves? Locked up in baseball, swimming, and basketball?

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

Having to take from reserves is a good thing.

Its the only kind of pressure that the ultra conservative stiffs that run Purdue will be able to appreciate.

 

[Redhotfill]

Hmn since it is true then the cost of not dumping Haz and friends is really costing more than his buyout!

 

[Redhotfill]

I agree vote with your checkbook.

 

[Tommaker]

What are we doing with BTN money that we had to pay out of reserves? Locked up in baseball, swimming, and basketball?

Letting the University as a whole raid that fund for $7 mil, if some sources are correct.

 

[uncleboiler]

Purdue gets roughly 35 percent of its $70 million athletic budget from the B10. A percentage is sent to the university for annual administrative overhead. In 2012-13, that figure was $3.66 million. The athletic department also is transferring $12 million over six years to fund the new Center for Student Excellence and Leadership, an agreement started by former President France A. Córdova. The athletic department has sent nearly $1.7 million to date. Money was also spent on the $100 million Mackey Arena renovation, Alexander Field for baseball, the football practice fields and the $13 million softball stadium.
Of course, the biggest waste of money was spent on Hazell and his staff.



This post was edited on 12/24 10:36 PM by uncleboiler

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

Followed ever so closely by Painter and staff.

 

[Foolmeoncefan]

Redhot,

You said it. What is the matter with the administration here at Purdue? Sports is simulated warfare. It really is. The idea is clearly to win. Would you rather have a 5 million dollar coach who doesn't take no for an answer, teaches leadership, and gives the alumni something to be proud of, or what we currently have? Think of the money that brings in. Marketing, sports memorabilia, ticket sales, stadium sales, tailgates, local business, pride, university donations sky rocket, campus atmosphere, advertising on TV, and a demand for the program. There are 300 million out there in this country that don't give a dam about losers. The mindset of these people is a zero sum game. No team can win all of the time no matter what they do, and that is besides the point. But no team should lose all of the time either. The perception that Purdue students have about the football team is that is the case. Winning a football game at Michigan for example, took Purdue over 40 years to accomplish. Alcorn State did it in 1 try, its first try. Another subdivision school did it recently, while that same year Purdue was mauled by Michigan. I am talking 40 years straight here. Kennedy was assassinated when Purdue last won at Michigan. We have done it 1 time I believe since. Now that is just pathetic. It is embarrassing when Purdue comes on ESPN, before a nationally televised audience, and the commentator says "well folks the last time Purdue won here was when Kennedy had his head shot off back in the 60s, 20/30 years before any of you were born." Imagine the impact that has on the perception of Purdue right there in the sports world, literally that is what was said almost every single time we played there until finally it happened 1 time. Nobody is even saying Purdue has to win that game at Michigan 1 in every 3 tries, but shouldn't it happen right around there? Shouldn't Purdue be winning that game one in 4, one in 5 even. How about 1 in 20. That is not right. Home or away, that is just uncompetitive. Alabama had a promo on 60 minutes this year about their coach. You know what the university president said on national TV when he was asked about the investment Alabama made in the hiring of their coach making him the highest paid? Their president said "it was the best investment the university ever made". That is a quote. That is something Purdue needs to take seriously as we head on further into the 21st century. The current model has to change.


This post was edited on 12/25 9:25 PM by Foolmeoncefan

 

[BoilerBiker]

Appalachian state (rather than alcorn st)?

The diff. Between purdue and Alabama is that purdue would likely say something along the lines of n.Armstrong, g.grissom, aero engr. Being its greatest investment.
We all want to see a purdue championship but I don't see those university wide priorities changing anytime soon (and I don't think Purdue's should).
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[Statey]

Perhaps "spending from reserves" is the nomenclature for governmental entities or how it's identified in fund accounting? But is this basically saying tha tif football had its own bank account at Purdue, it would have written
$3M worth of checks in excess of its deposits for the year? In other words:

Purdue's direct football revenues (tickets, TV contract allocation, concessions, whatever) = X,
Direct football expenses (coaches, security, facility maint., whatever) = Y, and
X minus Y = $ (3M)

 

[SIBoiler2]

I can think of a very important loss that will occur over time with the declining attendance due to poor performance. Historically kids were exposed to Mom and Dad's alma mater on visits to campus often tied to pleasant fall trips to FB games. This has occurred across the country. If Mom and Dad are no longer bringing Jr. to Purdue in the fall for a pleasant day on campus how much is the likelihood that he/she will choose Purdue to attend affected by that lack of contact 'cause Mom and Dad likely aren't bringing the kiddos to campus for a swim meet or the Bug Bowl.

 

[loftygoal]

IMO better to discontinue the program than continue down this path. If winning isn't one of your top 3 objectives, you're not going to win. If we aren't gong to win, nobody will come or care. And you will find other reasons to take the kids to visit the campus.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

Exactly! I agree totally Lofty

This post was edited on 12/29 7:29 PM by FLAG HUNTER

 

[BoilerBonz]

Originally posted by uncleboiler:
Purdue gets roughly 35 percent of its $70 million athletic budget from the B10. A percentage is sent to the university for annual administrative overhead. In 2012-13, that figure was $3.66 million. The athletic department also is transferring $12 million over six years to fund the new Center for Student Excellence and Leadership, an agreement started by former President France A. Córdova. The athletic department has sent nearly $1.7 million to date. Money was also spent on the $100 million Mackey Arena renovation, Alexander Field for baseball, the football practice fields and the $13 million softball stadium.
Of course, the biggest waste of money was spent on Hazell and his staff.




This post was edited on 12/24 10:36 PM by uncleboiler

No, the biggest waste is the $13M softball stadium! Funded and built during a time when Purdue had the lowest paid football coaching staff in the B1G. It was absolute insanity!!! And the lack of financially logical priorities is unforegivable on MB's part! What AD is his (her) right mind builds a $13M softball stadium while underinvesting in football in almost every way imaginable?!

 

[uncleboiler]

Originally posted by BoilerBonz:

No, the biggest waste is the $13M softball stadium! Funded and built during a time when Purdue had the lowest paid football coaching staff in the B1G. It was absolute insanity!!! And the lack of financially logical priorities is unforegivable on MB's part! What AD is his (her) right mind builds a $13M softball stadium while underinvesting in football in almost every way imaginable?!

No....this is STILL the biggest waste of money for 4 wins....

Hazell's $2 million salary:
• University base salary of $250,000.
• Supplemental stipend of $1.45 million. Includes compensation for radio, television, development and marketing appearances.
• Deferred compensation of $300,000.
Hazell will receive a minimum $50,000 raise each year of his contract. Hazell has agreed to a six-year contract.
Purdue is providing a pool of $2.1 million to hire assistant coaches - about a $500,000 increase from this season.
"He's got all the money he needs to go out and hire the best staff," athletic director Morgan Burke said at Hazell's introductory press conference.......Said Hazell: "I concur with that."
Other highlights:
• Purdue has provided Hazell with a $725,000 interest-free loan to pay his buyout at Kent State. At the end of each year Hazell remains Purdue's head coach, $120,833 of the loan will be forgiven.
• Hazell receives a car allowance of $6,000 per year.
• Hazell can receive bonuses for attendance, academic performance, sports camps, finish in the Big Ten standings, conference championship game victory and bowl participation. Hazell would earn an additional $400,000 if the Boilermakers reach the Rose Bowl or play in a BCS bowl game.
• The university is providing an allowance of up to $10,000 for relocation expenses.
If Hazell leaves Purdue to accept another coaching position before Jan. 1, 2015, he owes the university $2.5 million; $1.5 million if the resignation is prior to Jan. 1, 2017, and $500,000 if the resignation is prior to Dec. 31, 2018.
(This HAS to be a joke:If Hazell leaves Purdue to accept another coaching position he owes the university $2.5 million....who the hell would want him?)


...... Danny Hope earned $950,000 his last year (a bowl team)... "coach" Hazell would have to win 9 games each year the next 2 seasons to reach Hopes 22 wins his first 4 years!







This post was edited on 12/29 9:19 PM by uncleboiler

 

[BoilerBonz]

Originally posted by uncleboiler:

Originally posted by BoilerBonz:

No, the biggest waste is the $13M softball stadium! Funded and built during a time when Purdue had the lowest paid football coaching staff in the B1G. It was absolute insanity!!! And the lack of financially logical priorities is unforegivable on MB's part! What AD is his (her) right mind builds a $13M softball stadium while underinvesting in football in almost every way imaginable?!

No....this is STILL the biggest waste of money for 4 wins....


Hazell's $2 million salary:

• University base salary of $250,000.

• Supplemental stipend of $1.45 million. Includes compensation for radio, television, development and marketing appearances.

• Deferred compensation of $300,000.

Hazell will receive a minimum $50,000 raise each year of his contract. Hazell has agreed to a six-year contract.

Purdue is providing a pool of $2.1 million to hire assistant coaches - about a $500,000 increase from this season.

"He's got all the money he needs to go out and hire the best staff," athletic director Morgan Burke said at Hazell's introductory press conference.......Said Hazell: "I concur with that."

Other highlights:

• Purdue has provided Hazell with a $725,000 interest-free loan to pay his buyout at Kent State. At the end of each year Hazell remains Purdue's head coach, $120,833 of the loan will be forgiven.

• Hazell receives a car allowance of $6,000 per year.

• Hazell can receive bonuses for attendance, academic performance, sports camps, finish in the Big Ten standings, conference championship game victory and bowl participation. Hazell would earn an additional $400,000 if the Boilermakers reach the Rose Bowl or play in a BCS bowl game.

• The university is providing an allowance of up to $10,000 for relocation expenses.

If Hazell leaves Purdue to accept another coaching position before Jan. 1, 2015, he owes the university $2.5 million; $1.5 million if the resignation is prior to Jan. 1, 2017, and $500,000 if the resignation is prior to Dec. 31, 2018.
(This HAS to be a joke:If Hazell leaves Purdue to accept another coaching position he owes the university $2.5 million....who the hell would want him?)



...... Danny Hope earned $950,000 his last year (a bowl team)... "coach" Hazell would have to win 9 games each year the next 2 seasons to reach Hopes 22 wins his first 4 years!











This post was edited on 12/29 9:19 PM by uncleboiler

The mistake of hiring Hazell is forgivable in that the success or failure of a football coach at a place like Purdue is always a crap shoot. But building a $13M softball stadium -- while whining that we can't "afford" to pay competitive salaries for football coaches -- is certifiable stupidity of an unforgivable magnitude!

 

[loftygoal]

I disagree. The process by which Hazell was hired was not forgivable. Furthermore, the contract he was given that doesn't have performance clauses in it is not forgivable but is a result of the incompetent process by which we came to get Hazell. Early in the '12 season it was apparent that Hope had to be replaced. Hope wasn't dismissed until the season ended. Then, it was like, 'Now what do we do?', So, of course, a committee had to be formed and while the process unfolded all of the available good coaches got jobs. Hazell was about the last man standing. Heaven forbid that we are ever proactive. And by being reactive we put ourselves in a desperate situation. However, this is consistent with the university leadership that has not identified winning in these major sports as a top objective.

 

[Born Boiler]

At least we had $3 million in reserve to cover debts. Idiots on here would rather spend it all on rental cars for recruits.

The softball stadium was planned for years, following the baseball stadium, the soccer stadium, the Grand Prix track, the football practice fields, the basketball practice court, the training facilities, the athletic center, etc. ... all planned and paid. Meanwhile we're getting another golf course designed for free by an alumnus, Pete Dye.

Maybe meeting the letter of the law ... like Title IX and ADA ... is lost on some forum hacks, but Purdue manages to do that, build new facilities for every sport and stay in the black and gold.

Now it's just a matter of those who drew double-pay to produce and those who demanded those pay raises to pay the piper.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

The problem is there is basically not much that will be done to correct the situation! So all we can do is talk about it and hope the team gets better, the next few years! I really hope they do!

 

[BoilerBonz]

Originally posted by Born Boiler:

At least we had $3 million in reserve to cover debts. Idiots on here would rather spend it all on rental cars for recruits.

The softball stadium was planned for years, following the baseball stadium, the soccer stadium, the Grand Prix track, the football practice fields, the basketball practice court, the training facilities, the athletic center, etc. ... all planned and paid. Meanwhile we're getting another golf course designed for free by an alumnus, Pete Dye.

Maybe meeting the letter of the law ... like Title IX and ADA ... is lost on some forum hacks, but Purdue manages to do that, build new facilities for every sport and stay in the black and gold.

Now it's just a matter of those who drew double-pay to produce and those who demanded those pay raises to pay the piper.

What may be lost on some MB suck ups is that Title IX doesn't require that we build a $13M softball stadium, regardless of whether the funds have already been expropriated from football. Which is, fellow JPC donors, what it means at PU when they say, paid for. I.e., football paid for it, and now NC and MB come begging for money to support football, which actually made money in the first place. Softball didn't pay for it. It was expropriated from football!

Btw, please elaborate on what your last sentence is supposed to mean.
This post was edited on 12/31 8:22 AM by BoilerBonz

 

[lbodel]

This is a harder stat to come up with, but keep in mind that most athletic departments operate independently from the university.

This is not "breaking" news. Purdue's had to dig into its reserves before and it will have to in the future. It's basically balancing the check book each year.

The more striking thing is how much off Purdue was on planned ticket revenue. The question is whether that is overall ticket revenue (from all sports) or just football. If it's just football, then it shows how much of a dud the hire was (because the fiscal year numbers would be from Hazell's first season, not this current year where ticket numbers are significantly worse). Even though there may have been more tickets sold that year, they were sold at deeply discounted prices.

If it accounts for all ticket revenue, I brought it up before - but Purdue overshot on ticket prices with men's basketball. The addition of the legacy fee, which added at least $100 per ticket on top of JPC donation and season ticket cost, was absurd for an arena you had enough demand for 1 season. It basically was a $100 season ticket increase over 1 year. And you saw a decline in tickets sold as soon almost immediately (even when we made the NCAA Tournament). However, even last year, Purdue's MBB ticket numbers weren't bad. Not great, but certainly nowhere the deadweight that football has become.

 

[lbodel]

Something Purdue has struggled with over the last decade is fundraising. Obviously there have been some external factors that Purdue has no control of - the economic crisis of 2008 for one. However, that's certainly not a Purdue specific event, it affected every college. And even so, Purdue University as a whole did very well for itself fundraising in that time.

Ever since the swimming facility that was built, Purdue has struggled to fundraise externally for specific projects. The baseball stadium ($10+ million) reached $1 million from private fundraising. I'd imagine the softball facility will be much less. And even the Mackey project came to nowhere near what they were hoping for in terms of fundraising.

I attribute athletics fundraising issues to two main things.

One, is simply marketing. I've gone on this rant before, but the Mackey Project was terribly marketed. There was no website, there was no real in-depth explanation/overall plan that was easily to go over, etc. The branding of it as the Mackey Renovation gave you NO clue that much of the project had nothing to do with basketball. It involved new training/weightlifting facilities, new locker rooms for sports, new practice fields for football, the baseball stadium was included in the overall cost, etc. Would you ever think something branded as Mackey Renovation including a new baseball stadium across campus? Eh, probably not.

Second, is you have to give people opportunities to give to where they are most passionate. The marketing plays into it because the Mackey Project included a plethora of giving opportunities across every sport at Purdue. But people are not going to give money to something they don't see as beneficial to where they want to give (i.e. it's a basketball project or most of the money will go towards basketball).

But even outside of these facility projects, Purdue is incredibly limited on where you can give money to for athletics. Take Michigan for example - they are operating with a mind-set of we want people to give to where they want to - with a focus of any money that comes in to athletics is money to athletics, even if it's not to their #1 priority.

When you go on Michigan's website, it gives you a few options:

1. Donate to the areas of most need, which then links you to a few different funds (Athletics Facilities, Scholarships and Enrichment fund)

2. Scholarships (their equivalent of JPC)

3. General Funds (Athletic Director's discretionary fund & annual fund, which goes to areas of most need)

4. Sport-Specific Giving (give directly to support needs of individual sports)

Now, I think Michigan probably goes a bit overboard on options. But Purdue basically gives you 1 fund to give to - the JPC. And yes, it's an important fund, just as it's Michigan's #1 priority fund. However, a generic fund can also restrict the giving to the athletic department for many reasons. You know it goes towards scholarships, but you also know the scholarships are going to be given whether you donate or not. It's great for season ticket requirement giving. However, if you're a parent in a sport, a former athlete, etc. - you probably are going to be much more inclined to make a gift knowing it directly impacts that sport. Purdue offers no opportunities for this. And it doesn't even have to be sport-specific. Michigan has a student-athlete enrichment fund that goes towards academic advising/career preparation.

For instance, you can have a former baseball player who has football season tickets and pays a JPC donation. Then on top of that donation they donate $5,000 a year to baseball. However, you take that opportunity away to donate to something they are passionate about - and that $5,000 is probably not going to the JPC on top of whatever they need to donate for their season tickets. It's probably just Purdue losing $5,000.

So for an athletic department that seems to complain a lot regarding money, they sure don't seem to be doing much to broaden the money they can receive.

 

[Redhotfill]

The contract is much much worse than I feared, what nit wit negotiated those terms!?

 

[lbodel]

While I don't know "insider" information on the hiring process, I believe several of the supposed top candidates went elsewhere and left Hazell as one of very few options left. They had to get him at that point, at least that is the feeling I got.

 

[Redhotfill]

Even if that premise is true we didn't need to make it a six year contract. and provide disincentives for him to leave. No one considered he could be a dud. Obviously no one at the university has ever see a military enlistment contract, or other standard contract with the federal government. They always have weasel clauses, like "for the necessity of promoting the government's new objectives" etc. I still think the school could break the contract and send him packing, given the performance, versus statements he has made at press conferences. Definitely a disconnect between what he has said and wht has happened both on and off the field, and recruiting, and player development. A decent lawyer should be able to convince a judge, jury or other trier of fact that Haz has not performed the job he was hired and paid so far to do and that he is being "Unjustly Enriched" for his "services." Basic first year law school stuff! Hell they dont' even have to boot him they could seek a declaratory judgment to see if that's actually the case then do it.

Yes I'm an attorney, no I didn't graduate law school this century. None of my clients worth upwards of seven figures would hesitate at trying to break a contract with Haz like performance. He would just show up one day and be given a key to a storage unit with his things in it and either a restraining order or written notice not to trespass. Someone at the university needs to put on their big boy pants and do their job. That might involve actual work and a little bit of thinking creatively so I'm not all that enthused about it actually happening. Hell if I were licensed in Indiana I'd do it for costs I'm sure there are Alumni who are licensed in Indiana who feel the same.

 

[Purdue 95]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Originally posted by SIBoiler2:

I can think of a very important loss that will occur over time with the declining attendance due to poor performance. Historically kids were exposed to Mom and Dad's alma mater on visits to campus often tied to pleasant fall trips to FB games. This has occurred across the country. If Mom and Dad are no longer bringing Jr. to Purdue in the fall for a pleasant day on campus how much is the likelihood that he/she will choose Purdue to attend affected by that lack of contact 'cause Mom and Dad likely aren't bringing the kiddos to campus for a swim meet or the Bug Bowl.

I find it highly unlikely that a significant number of kids opt to attend Purdue because they grew up rooting for the Boilermakers. If so, they are nowhere to be found at the moment.

Our fan base is small because of that. Students don't choose Purdue because they grew up fans, they don't go to games while they attend, and they never come back for games after they graduate.

Purdue has a very diverse student population, and that's great, but they are non-supporters of the athletic teams. Observe the student section at a basketball game this winter. You'll be able to count non-Caucasians on one hand.
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[lbodel]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

I think there's a lot of generalizations in your posts that aren't necessarily true.

First off, I wouldn't say most people go to play for their "dream school". There are those that do fall into that category and we've had players that have come here because of that (Anthrop grew up a Purdue fan, didn't Etling? Appleby mentioned the "Cradle of QBs" when committing. Just off the top of my head). When you have 7-8 years of sustained success like we did starting in 97, that's a generation of people who grew up watching Purdue football. Purdue's fan base, while certainly not great right now, is still not bad (considering we're at the lowest of lows right now). I wouldn't say Purdue's fan base is any smaller than football programs like Illinois, Minnesota, IU, Northwestern, etc. And when Purdue was successful, our fans traveled well, were well represented at bowl games, etc. I don't really think that's our "problem"…

I also would not agree that "Purdue students don't choose Purdue because they grew up fans, they don't go to games while they attend, and they never come back for games after they graduate". That's quite a strong, generic statement with no backing. When I was at Purdue, there were a ton of people who grew up Purdue fans. 2/3 of the students are from the state of Indiana - don't tell me none of them grew up Purdue fans! Also, Purdue students have been very supportive of the team when given the opportunity. Our basketball student section is the 2nd biggest in the Big Ten. Our football student section reached 15,000 (nearly half of undergrads) when Purdue was winning. Hell, even Michigan State this year had issues filling their 11,000 seat student section for games and they were ranked. But you would probably tout their students as everything Purdue's aren't if you didn't know that.

Also, you can't generalize the student population. You'll be able to count non-caucasians at basketball games? Ok, great. Purdue is 80% white! So the fact that the non-white/international population don't support sports is not some game changer. And guess what, it's not like Michigan's international students are buying season tickets at any better rate. And hell, Michigan is only 67% white. Almost 10% more of their population is Asian than Purdue's. I don't think they're going in droves to sporting events? Take a look at any other basketball student sections - it's no "different" than Purdue's.

So enough with the "woe is us" attitude about Purdue. Purdue's not a stronger academic school than several Big Ten institutions. And it's not like they are significantly more rigorous than some of the others they are technically ranked ahead of.

 

[uncleboiler]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Alot of things can factor into poor attendance, however the biggest factor still remains the product they're putting on the field.
If Purdue Football was a movie, it would go straight to DVD.

 

[lbodel]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

One thing I will say is I think Purdue CAN and SHOULD be doing more to avoid some of the things you mention (I don't at all doubt that there are people that fit into your categories..just not as much or more significantly than many other schools).

I've said this specific thing all along - I think Purdue needs to be more of a force in the state. Have camps not only at Purdue, but also day camps in Ft. Wayne, Indianapolis, Chicago, maybe southern Indiana or the region, to where kids who are not convenient to Purdue or would go to Purdue very often could go to their camp and get exposed to Purdue. Purdue also only offers 1 overnight camp (QBs only), so what football player from a Ft. Wayne, region, even Indianapolis is going to go to a one day camp to Purdue that I presume starts early in the AM and ends later in the day? I can imagine that's more of an inconvenience than it is convenient for those kids.

This is just one example of ways Purdue could put itself out there more than they are (and quite frankly, camps are a money maker so it's not even that it'd be an expense for Purdue). This isn't the greatest example cause the kid screwed up, but Mizzou literally got Dorial Green Bekcham, the #1 recruit in the country, partially because he started going to their camp held in Springfield (3 hours from campus) and he got to know the coaches and gave Mizzou an "in" with a highly touted recruit. He obviously has some personality issues, but that's unrelated to camps being successful in building relationships. And not all campers are going to turn into quality recruits by any means, but it also builds people up to liking a team. Heck, my older brother still talks about how much fun he had at Gene Keady's basketball camp.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

It will be a lot more than $3 million next year.

 

[uncleboiler]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Originally posted by lbodel:
One thing I will say is I think Purdue CAN and SHOULD be doing more to avoid some of the things you mention (I don't at all doubt that there are people that fit into your categories..just not as much or more significantly than many other schools).

I've said this specific thing all along - I think Purdue needs to be more of a force in the state. Have camps not only at Purdue, but also day camps in Ft. Wayne, Indianapolis, Chicago, maybe southern Indiana or the region, to where kids who are not convenient to Purdue or would go to Purdue very often could go to their camp and get exposed to Purdue. Purdue also only offers 1 overnight camp (QBs only), so what football player from a Ft. Wayne, region, even Indianapolis is going to go to a one day camp to Purdue that I presume starts early in the AM and ends later in the day? I can imagine that's more of an inconvenience than it is convenient for those kids.

This is just one example of ways Purdue could put itself out there more than they are (and quite frankly, camps are a money maker so it's not even that it'd be an expense for Purdue). This isn't the greatest example cause the kid screwed up, but Mizzou literally got Dorial Green Bekcham, the #1 recruit in the country, partially because he started going to their camp held in Springfield (3 hours from campus) and he got to know the coaches and gave Mizzou an "in" with a highly touted recruit. He obviously has some personality issues, but that's unrelated to camps being successful in building relationships. And not all campers are going to turn into quality recruits by any means, but it also builds people up to liking a team. Heck, my older brother still talks about how much fun he had at Gene Keady's basketball camp.

Hazell (and any staff participating) get the money from camps...not the university. It's part of his compensation package.

 

[pboiler18]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Uncle boiler... Clearly you don't read...

It's not about extra income from camps...it's about extra exposure to local recruits for our staff.

That's ok, this isn't the only topic on here that flies over your head!

 

[uncleboiler]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

Apparently you don't either....OP wrote" (and quite frankly, camps are a money maker .....)

 

[pboiler18]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

The real question is, why do you post here? I've never seen you write ANYTHING positive, ever

 

[uncleboiler]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

I see things the way they ARE....you see things the way you THINK they are....you're an ostrich.

 

[pboiler18]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

I'm a realist. Even now, things aren't as bad as you think they are.

Just like when they were good, they weren't as good as you thought they were...

This staff is doing a lot of things right. The good at this point is being undermined by Hazell letting Shoop stick around longer than he should!

 

[lbodel]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti

While I agree that there should have been some staff shake-up (mostly from knowing that coaches don't always get their best options when creating a staff from a late hire - most assistants are already into the next season), I think it's absurd to blame one coordinator as the problem overshadowing all the good.

Purdue was 11th in scoring offense.....12th in scoring defense.

Purdue was 11th in total offense....10th in total defense.

Purdue was 10th in rushing offense...11th in rushing defense.

Purdue was 10th in pass offense....10th in pass defense.

We stunk on both sides of the ball. Please let me know what "all of this good" that is being overshadowed by a coordinator is.

 

[Redhotfill]

Re: Did we just spend $3 million from reserves to make up for lost ti


In order to see "all of this good" that is being overshadowed by a coordinator you must first drink lots of MB/DH2 cool aid, then things will come into focus.