According to Grant Hughes of 247Sports. His list is partly laughable. CMP easily falls in the top 15 of these names, and probably the top 10.
Top 15 Coaches - No CMP
Top 15 Coaches - No CMP
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What an indictment for whoever wrote this!According to Grant Hughes of 247Sports. His list is partly laughable. CMP easily falls in the top 15 of these names, and probably the top 10.
Top 15 Coaches - No CMP
he should def be in the top 10, no questionWhat an indictment for whoever wrote this!
Hopefully you don’t have Rick Barnes or Bruce Pearl in yours.Looking at the list, I had Painer in the top 5. And top 10 at worst. Sorry, but I don’t put 1-2 year wonders in any top 20 list. I also don’t include has beens who haven’t done anything in the past 5 years. Calipari offered Kentucky the opportunity to match his Arkansas offer. They refused and said good bye! If they really wanted him, he would never have left. And Pitino? Maybe 10-15 years ago, but today?
Looking at the list I can understand the first 7.According to Grant Hughes of 247Sports. His list is partly laughable. CMP easily falls in the top 15 of these names, and probably the top 10.
Top 15 Coaches - No CMP
My list had Few, Self, Painter, Sampson and Hurley. I had Izzo in the top 10. As I said, my list doesn’t include has beens like Calipari or Pintino. It doesn’t include 1-2 year wonders and it doesn’t include cheaters. Bennett is a decent coach and runs a clean program. I don’t like his offense but he must be a good coach to be able to win using it. I know Sampson was sanctioned but that was for talking on the phone which seemed like a stupid sanction.Hopefully you don’t have Rick Barnes or Bruce Pearl in yours.
In the last 7 years…painter and Purdue:
- 4 BIG titles, 2 were back to back by multiple games which hadn’t been done since 1976
- 1 BTT
- 7 straight NCAAT appearances (currently their streak is at 9, which is 4th best in the country)
- 5 S16s
- 2 E8s
- 1 F4
- NC Runner Up
- Ranked 1 overall 3 straight years —first time a B1G team had ever done that
- Developed a top 100 recruit into a top 5 lotto pick
- developed (with the help of Brantley) the 437th recruit into a 2x POTY (with tons of other awards)
- undefeated in regular season against P6 non conf teams and only 1 loss to one (if you include the tourney) in the last 3 years
So 10th at worst?? Can we see your list?
Didn't he get busted with a hooker or something several years ago?I think that Grant Hughes is the answer to a question nobody asked.
I saw a list ranking B1G coaches now with all the new teams and Muss was 3rd behind Painter and Izzo. I don't see it. Dusty May was 7th and I don't see that either.Should probably be around 8 or 9 on there realistically. Scheyer and Musselman are jokes.
He needs to take the basketball test.Who the hell is Grant freeking Hughes? He is obviously an idiot. Did he go to IU? CMP was right on with comments about journalists. Hughes is either an idiot, dumbass, moron or all three rolled into one.
I don't like Cal but he is above Painter currently. He has be in there.My list had Few, Self, Painter, Sampson and Hurley. I had Izzo in the top 10. As I said, my list doesn’t include has beens like Calipari or Pintino. It doesn’t include 1-2 year wonders and it doesn’t include cheaters. Bennett is a decent coach and runs a clean program. I don’t like his offense but he must be a good coach to be able to win using it. I know Sampson was sanctioned but that was for talking on the phone which seemed like a stupid sanction.
Not sure. He’s a recruiter of one-and-done NBA talent more than a coach.I don't like Cal but he is above Painter currently. He has be in there.
I may disagree. I would argue that he would be better off if he developed a program like Painter. But he's trying too much to get the 1-and-done talent, that many times doesn't want to listen to even a good coach. We'll see if things change at Arkansas.Not sure. He’s a recruiter of one-and-done NBA talent more than a coach.
Being a college coach includes recruitingNot sure. He’s a recruiter of one-and-done NBA talent more than a coach.
That was ages ago.....you've never had your parsnip pulling you for a proper rogering with a tidy tart?Didn't he get busted with a hooker or something several years ago?
Not trying to pick a fight, but didn't you once claim that cheating didn't matter?My list had Few, Self, Painter, Sampson and Hurley. I had Izzo in the top 10. As I said, my list doesn’t include has beens like Calipari or Pintino. It doesn’t include 1-2 year wonders and it doesn’t include cheaters. Bennett is a decent coach and runs a clean program. I don’t like his offense but he must be a good coach to be able to win using it. I know Sampson was sanctioned but that was for talking on the phone which seemed like a stupid sanction.
I think you understood my point. If not, s’ok.Being a college coach includes recruiting
Yes and no. Cheating doesn’t matter in the eyes of the NCAA because they basically take no action against cheaters. So if you want a level playing field, if every other team cheats, you look rather foolish if you are not doing the same thing? My comments were made before NIL became legal and schools were paying players under the table to play for their team. So currently those coaches no longer need to cheat.Not trying to pick a fight, but didn't you once claim that cheating didn't matter?
Not really. Coaching and recruiting go together. A great coach who is successful can get there either by developing talent or recruiting it. The more talent he can recruit, the less he has to worry about development or scheming up ways to win via superior play calling.I think you understood my point. If not, s’ok.
True, but I would add that recruiting also reflects things like the program's prestige, its facilities, and the size of its NIL pool. Shady academic policies probably help in more than a few cases, too. None of those things necessarily reflect the coaching staff's recruiting prowess.Not really. Coaching and recruiting go together. A great coach who is successful can get there either by developing talent or recruiting it. The more talent he can recruit, the less he has to worry about development or scheming up ways to win via superior play calling.
Duke? Coach K was an outstanding recruiter. Again this morality stuff I just don't get. There's nothing immoral about being a great recruiter. There's not even anything immoral about being a college that's easy to get into.True, but I would add that recruiting also reflects things like the program's prestige, its facilities, and the size of its NIL pool. Shady academic policies probably help in more than a few cases, too. None of those things necessarily reflect the coaching staff's recruiting prowess.
That's one thing that makes me respect guys like Few/Bennett/Painter. They've done well at good-but-not-great programs where they don't enjoy a ready pipeline into the most elite talent.
All I'm saying is there are some places where it's easier to get elite talent than others. It doesn't always come down to how great a recruiter the coach is. Coach K is an all all-time great, no question about it. But, you really think he wins 1200 games at West Point, or Washington State, or even Purdue?Duke? Coach K was an outstanding recruiter. Again this morality stuff I just don't get. There's nothing immoral about being a great recruiter. There's not even anything immoral about being a college that's easy to get into.
Duke was worse than Purdue when he got there by far and it's not like Duke is a community college.All I'm saying is there are some places where it's easier to get elite talent than others. It doesn't always come down to how great a recruiter the coach is. Coach K is an all all-time great, no question about it. But, you really think he wins 1200 games at West Point, or Washington State, or even Purdue?
And, I'm not really talking about morality here. Rules get bent all the time. I get that. It probably happens at Purdue. But, as far as I know, Purdue's not creating dummy classes for varsity athletes.
Granted, Duke wasn't Kentucky in 1980.Duke was worse than Purdue when he got there by far and it's not like Duke is a community college.
Ok I was wrong that they were worse, but they weren't some recruit magnet either. I mean a lot of factors go into anything. I'm just saying the idea that you're a better coach if you improve lower ranked players than if you recruit high level players at the college level is something a lot of people want to believe that isn't true. There's multiple ways to get there. And each are equally valid.Granted, Duke wasn't Kentucky in 1980.
But no way it was a worse program than Purdue. Duke had already been to four Final Fours and played for the national title just two years earlier in 1978.
Coach K made that program a lot better. I recognize that. I still stand by my earlier observation that a lot of factors go into recruiting beyond how good the head coach is.
Football and basketball aren't quite the same beasts. Lot more money in the former, and unlike basketball, football is basically a one semester sport. So stuff like that you can pull off in football but does you no good in basketball because you need them more for the second semester.Auburn football in the 80’s and 90’s was a great example of what money could buy. They bought their players and they bought their faculty to ensure their players remained eligible . And if the player had talent their admissions allowed them in. Cam r Newton played one fall for Auburn after being expelled by Florida and going to a junior college. Did he attend any classes during that first semester when he played football? He sure didn’t attend any classes his second semester.
Auburn also had an academic policy unlike Purdue. At auburn, a player who flunks out is considered academically eligible to participate in any sporting event up to the first day of the subsequent semester. In that fashion, basketball players are allowed to participate in holiday tournaments and football players are allowed to participate in bowl games.
Their actions were all considered as legal by their administration.
As for rating a coach, he can have zero ethics, but still be an awesome coach. Were Adolph Rupp and Bobby Knight awesome coaches? Most people would say yes. I prefer Wooden.
What? Duke played in the NCAA championship game in 1978 and lost to Kentucky. During Bill Foster's tenure they also became only the 8th school to win 1000 games. In fact, Purdue beat Duke in the Elite Eight in 1980, Foster's last year. When Coach K took over in 1980 they were far from a bottom feeder.Duke was worse than Purdue when he got there by far and it's not like Duke is a community college.
Dude I already said I was wrong about Duke being way worse. But they certainly weren't royalty either since we finished ahead of them and had as many championships and final fours as we did to that point.What? Duke played in the NCAA championship game in 1978 and lost to Kentucky. During Bill Foster's tenure they also became only the 8th school to win 1000 games. In fact, Purdue beat Duke in the Elite Eight in 1980, Foster's last year. When Coach K took over in 1980 they were far from a bottom feeder.
I posted before I saw anyone else had commented or that you had responded. Dude.Dude I already said I was wrong about Duke being way worse. But they certainly weren't royalty either since we finished ahead of them and had as many championships and final fours as we did to that point.
I think we can all agree that Duke was not a blue blood, prior to coach K getting there.What? Duke played in the NCAA championship game in 1978 and lost to Kentucky. During Bill Foster's tenure they also became only the 8th school to win 1000 games. In fact, Purdue beat Duke in the Elite Eight in 1980, Foster's last year. When Coach K took over in 1980 they were far from a bottom feeder.
Brent Fullwood says HiAuburn football in the 80’s and 90’s was a great example of what money could buy. They bought their players and they bought their faculty to ensure their players remained eligible . And if the player had talent their admissions allowed them in. Cam r Newton played one fall for Auburn after being expelled by Florida and going to a junior college. Did he attend any classes during that first semester when he played football? He sure didn’t attend any classes his second semester.
Auburn also had an academic policy unlike Purdue. At auburn, a player who flunks out is considered academically eligible to participate in any sporting event up to the first day of the subsequent semester. In that fashion, basketball players are allowed to participate in holiday tournaments and football players are allowed to participate in bowl games.
Their actions were all considered as legal by their administration.