You don't fire a coach after making the NCAA tournament LOL

[TJBoiler]

Unless he has a roster stock full of McDonalds All Americans. Did you see what happened in the USC game? Painter has a very interesting guard coming in the fall in Carsen Edwards. Purdue has a nice roster back for 2016-2017 and if Swanigan stays will have a very good team in 2017-2018.

Swanigan and Haas will have to improve their defense as the team doesn't have a rim protector anymore. Stephens needs to make a decision. Matt needs to once again bring in a ball handler. With Basil back next year I think he can replace Davis on defense. Basil will help with athleticism too. If Carsen's potential shows early on at PG he should get alot of minutes. That other PG that was redshirt also is available.

BTW kudos to Seth Davis as he was right. That upset was his lock upset whether Purdue fans like it or not. Fans outside the Purdue universe were picking that game as an upset. I picked Purdue to lose in the elite 8 to MSU. But I also picked Yale to beat Baylor and picked Iona which was wrong to beat Iowa St.

Fans looked at Purdue and thought "their guards are subpar." At least at point. You saw in Ark what a really good guard can do...

NEXT year Purdue's best players will be on the court the majority of the time rather then having Haas or Hammons sitting on the bench.

I just want to add Cincinnati until last year had lost 3 1st rd NCAA games in a roll before beating Purdue. Villanova the last 2 years was a 1 and a 2 seed yet did not make the sweet 16.

After 2017-2018 season if Painter is unable to recruit good players to replace most of the current roster. Then the legit reasons to possibly let him go will come up.

 

[positiveHoosier]

Painter is a very good coach. You guys have a solid core returning next year and should compete for a B1G championship.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

You also probably shouldn't fire a football coach after taking a program to two bowl games....and look where that has landed the football program.

I stated this on other threads and I will restate it here: I have always been against firing Matt Painter because I think he is a good coach and still think he is a good coach. But today's game showed, once again, the glaring weakness that Matt Painter has as a head coach. Some have pointed to his demeanor on the floor and I truly think that is part of the problem. Matt hasn't shown the fire he once had earlier in his career and a team plays to the mentality of their coach. I won't use LR's coach as an example...rather, I'll use Illinois' John Groce as an example. In the game against Iowa in the BTT, Groce was very vocal with his team and was a presence on the sideline in the first half, and Illinois played beyond their ability level. When Groce quit being that verbal and emotional presence, Illinois lost their edge and allowed Iowa back in the game. Hell, look at the football program at Purdue and tell me the team doesn't play like its emotionless and flat head coach more often than not.

The main issue I have with Matt Painter is that he had three NBA caliber players (albeit an injury hurt chance significantly) and could only muster one title (BTT). Matt Painter, arguably, has 4 NBA caliber players on his team (and multiple different players that can play in high level International leagues) and can't win the Big Ten regular season title when Illinois, Ohio State, Michigan, and Wisconsin are arguably at their worst in the last 10 years leaving Purdue to only truly compete with IU, MSU, and Iowa. THIS is what Matt Painter is and although that might be good enough for some people (don't get me wrong, 26 wins is great), but the goals at Purdue should be higher for fans of this program than to win 20+ games and make the NCAA tourney. Hell, that is accomplished by 65 teams a year so it doesn't make it that great of an accomplishment to begin with. Most of the guys here calling for Matt Painter to be fired aren't asking to win Big Ten titles every year, or BTT titles every year, and make Final Fours every year. BUT the honest ability to win the conference and make it to the 2nd weekend of the NCAA tourney should be what is expected of this program.

After last nights game, I said I had moved to believing Coach Painter should be fired but thought I should have waited until this morning to post because it could have been way to much of an emotional response. I woke up this morning and I feel the exact same way that I did last night. Purdue, under Matt Painter, is exactly what you saw last night because it is what we have all seen over the last 5 years. That is a trend and not simply an aberration.

 

[SIBoiler2]

I don't think it's time for Matt to go. I like him but the trends late in game to go into prevent win mode is too consistent. With the incoming PG and the remaining more experienced guys next year barring injury he MUST win big or he's in trouble with a new AD coming on board who'll want to put his own mark on the Athletic Dept.

 

[mathboy]

I beleive the loss last night rides on Matt's shoulders. His team should have reacted better to the pressure which was no surprize. The team should have exhibited more courage and more calmness under pressure. Those are coachable points that have little to do with individual skills. He needs to take this as a learning point and do better next year.

We as fans need to stop acting like upsets like this don't happen to other schools. They do, every year, every season. It is part of the game. I still recall the IU team that was a 1 or 2 seed getting beaten by lowly CLeveland State (Who?). Even Bobby was not immune.

 

[NCBoiler06]

I fear the expectations will be ridiculous for Edwards next year. That said, he should be starting from day 1 after this debacle.

 

[And1Hawk]

How do you not get the ball to Hammonds or play big with Swannigan & Hammonds late in the game or either OT when you need a single bucket multiple times? You had a massive size difference but conintuned to play small allowing ARK LR to constantly double AJ.

Edwards is a good player but how many shots going 1-on-1 did he miss down the stretch while AJ got zero touches in the post?

 

[DrEss]

I agree also that the expectations will be too high for C Edwards next season. A big jump going to D1 and the Big Ten. My concern will be how soon will it take him to seemingly regress under Matt's coaching as most of the current roster's shooting ability, slashing skills and BB IQ have.

 

[mgdavidson26]

I beleive the loss last night rides on Matt's shoulders. His team should have reacted better to the pressure which was no surprize. The team should have exhibited more courage and more calmness under pressure. Those are coachable points that have little to do with individual skills. He needs to take this as a learning point and do better next year.

We as fans need to stop acting like upsets like this don't happen to other schools. They do, every year, every season. It is part of the game. I still recall the IU team that was a 1 or 2 seed getting beaten by lowly CLeveland State (Who?). Even Bobby was not immune.

Couldn't agree with you more. Great coaches work on the small things. He and his staff were rattled, and it showed.

 

[echs86]

I wouldn't be so sure that Swanigan will be around after his Soph. year.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Arizona will fire their coach this year after making the tourament!

 

[Treyit31]

Dudes - you guys are crazy. This loss is the coaches fault...up 13 with 3:33 left and Hammons hasn't touched the ball since around the 14 min mark in the 2nd? Let's not forget this is the second year in a row that Purdue has tossed away a Victory in the NCAA. Purdue had a YEAR to fix the issues. This is on Painter. Do whatever you have to do to get Hammons the ball, and I mean anything. It didn't happen. #LossIsOnPainter

 

[Skyboiler]

Unless he has a roster stock full of McDonalds All Americans. Did you see what happened in the USC game? Painter has a very interesting guard coming in the fall in Carsen Edwards. Purdue has a nice roster back for 2016-2017 and if Swanigan stays will have a very good team in 2017-2018.

Swanigan and Haas will have to improve their defense as the team doesn't have a rim protector anymore. Stephens needs to make a decision. Matt needs to once again bring in a ball handler. With Basil back next year I think he can replace Davis on defense. Basil will help with athleticism too. If Carsen's potential shows early on at PG he should get alot of minutes. That other PG that was redshirt also is available.

BTW kudos to Seth Davis as he was right. That upset was his lock upset whether Purdue fans like it or not. Fans outside the Purdue universe were picking that game as an upset. I picked Purdue to lose in the elite 8 to MSU. But I also picked Yale to beat Baylor and picked Iona which was wrong to beat Iowa St.

Fans looked at Purdue and thought "their guards are subpar." At least at point. You saw in Ark what a really good guard can do...

NEXT year Purdue's best players will be on the court the majority of the time rather then having Haas or Hammons sitting on the bench.

I just want to add Cincinnati until last year had lost 3 1st rd NCAA games in a roll before beating Purdue. Villanova the last 2 years was a 1 and a 2 seed yet did not make the sweet 16.

After 2017-2018 season if Painter is unable to recruit good players to replace most of the current roster. Then the legit reasons to possibly let him go will come up.

Clean House !!!!! its over

 

[lbodel]

I don't think it's time for Matt to go. I like him but the trends late in game to go into prevent win mode is too consistent. With the incoming PG and the remaining more experienced guys next year barring injury he MUST win big or he's in trouble with a new AD coming on board who'll want to put his own mark on the Athletic Dept.

First off, I don't think there's some career trend over 10 years that shows we go in prevent win mode and lose too much. And secondly, it's not really a "Purdue" thing. Teams that are losing often turn it up at the end, just as we did against Michigan State in the BTT Championship game. You can say the same damn thing about Michigan State that game - they were in control and lost control. They managed to pull it out, just as we pulled it out against them earlier in the season.

One thing that we know was a weak point for our team was at the PG position. PJ and Johnny were serviceable, but one is a true sophomore and one is a senior transfer playing his first year of major conf. basketball. The other thing that I've mentioned is seniors - we have a unique dynamic on this team. Davis is a great defensive player and has been alright offensively this year, but not really a guy that steps up at the end (we had a true freshman shooting free throws - why Davis is not demanding the ball is beyond me..). Hammons is again a very talented guy, but we've seen him not be in the game mentally throughout his four years - he really wasn't this game playing like it could be his last.

I think it's hilarious to say "he must win big or he's in trouble with a new AD" - is going 26-9 not winning enough? I know it didn't end as we wanted, but we had good wins in non-conference, good wins in conference and quite frankly - we had 1 questionable loss during the season but no bad losses. So absolutely, it sucks to have this happen at this point.

It's one thing if a coach can never win against a ranked opponent, we only beat the teams we're supposed to beat, we only win games at home, we constantly are losing to teams we shouldn't, etc. - but those aren't traits of Painter as a coach by any means.

And this season specifically, to act like we've been losing all the time against teams we shouldn't, we haven't beat good teams, etc. is just not accurate. Go back to earlier in the year when there was such a focus on OMG will Purdue lose to a team they shouldn't - well people praised this team and coach for being locked-in against all of those teams and not letting a game slip. Again, it sucks it happened yesterday.

Moving forward and going back to the seniors comment above - one thing our younger guys have more of is moxy. These guys aren't afraid to step up when it matters. You have guys like Vince, Swanigan, Cline, Mathias, etc. that are not really fearful guys. And on top of that, you have a guy like Haas who may not dominate every game - but he certainly comes to play mentally (his fast break was awesome). All of them freshman/sophomores.

The game sucked yesterday, don't get me wrong and I'm incredibly disappointed. But you can't ignore an entire body of work and make an assessment on a coach based on one game. The stuff people are complaining about we did the opposite of just a few days ago in a conference championship game. We made adjustments, started playing better and really got locked in the second half in a game a lot of people thought was over at halftime.

 

[Skyboiler]

I don't think it's time for Matt to go. I like him but the trends late in game to go into prevent win mode is too consistent. With the incoming PG and the remaining more experienced guys next year barring injury he MUST win big or he's in trouble with a new AD coming on board who'll want to put his own mark on the Athletic Dept.

Great High School Guards don't always translate to good Division 1 players..... I think Brian is correct, the problem is on the sidelines.

 

[lbodel]

Dudes - you guys are crazy. This loss is the coaches fault...up 13 with 3:33 left and Hammons hasn't touched the ball since around the 14 min mark in the 2nd? Let's not forget this is the second year in a row that Purdue has tossed away a Victory in the NCAA. Purdue had a YEAR to fix the issues. This is on Painter. Do whatever you have to do to get Hammons the ball, and I mean anything. It didn't happen. #LossIsOnPainter

Have you watched Hammons over 4 years? It's no secret that he is as good as he wants to be. It's been a frustrating thing for 4 years. Hammons was not dialed in and a coach can only do so much. There's things to point at Painter at if that's the route you want to go, but AJ is his own beast. I certainly do not believe that Painter was telling them "don't let AJ get the ball!"...

 

[lbodel]

Great High School Guards don't always translate to good Division 1 players..... I think Brian is correct, the problem is on the sidelines.

So the sidelines had nothing to do with 26 wins?

 

[Tookme555]

It's not as though there are plethora of good coaches out there......there is a risk. Matt is a very good coach. Are you going to get rid of a good coach (this is the same coach that got you to the Big 10 tournament final game just last week) in hopes of getting a better coach? Your AD is not going to fire Matt Painter. He's the least of worries at Purdue right now.

I take the opposite view from many of you.....at some point, it's on the players. Matt Painter did not commit one turnover last night. Basketball players are different breed....they eat and sleep basketball. This is all on them....these are not 5/6th graders. Some of them will get to the NBA.
Matt went small to match up with the opponent. Players did not execute.

There will only be one team standing when its all said and done.....no one else will be happy with their coach either.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

First off, I don't think there's some career trend over 10 years that shows we go in prevent win mode and lose too much. And secondly, it's not really a "Purdue" thing. Teams that are losing often turn it up at the end, just as we did against Michigan State in the BTT Championship game. You can say the same damn thing about Michigan State that game - they were in control and lost control. They managed to pull it out, just as we pulled it out against them earlier in the season.

One thing that we know was a weak point for our team was at the PG position. PJ and Johnny were serviceable, but one is a true sophomore and one is a senior transfer playing his first year of major conf. basketball. The other thing that I've mentioned is seniors - we have a unique dynamic on this team. Davis is a great defensive player and has been alright offensively this year, but not really a guy that steps up at the end (we had a true freshman shooting free throws - why Davis is not demanding the ball is beyond me..). Hammons is again a very talented guy, but we've seen him not be in the game mentally throughout his four years - he really wasn't this game playing like it could be his last.

I think it's hilarious to say "he must win big or he's in trouble with a new AD" - is going 26-9 not winning enough? I know it didn't end as we wanted, but we had good wins in non-conference, good wins in conference and quite frankly - we had 1 questionable loss during the season but no bad losses. So absolutely, it sucks to have this happen at this point.

It's one thing if a coach can never win against a ranked opponent, we only beat the teams we're supposed to beat, we only win games at home, we constantly are losing to teams we shouldn't, etc. - but those aren't traits of Painter as a coach by any means.

And this season specifically, to act like we've been losing all the time against teams we shouldn't, we haven't beat good teams, etc. is just not accurate. Go back to earlier in the year when there was such a focus on OMG will Purdue lose to a team they shouldn't - well people praised this team and coach for being locked-in against all of those teams and not letting a game slip. Again, it sucks it happened yesterday.

Moving forward and going back to the seniors comment above - one thing our younger guys have more of is moxy. These guys aren't afraid to step up when it matters. You have guys like Vince, Swanigan, Cline, Mathias, etc. that are not really fearful guys. And on top of that, you have a guy like Haas who may not dominate every game - but he certainly comes to play mentally (his fast break was awesome). All of them freshman/sophomores.

The game sucked yesterday, don't get me wrong and I'm incredibly disappointed. But you can't ignore an entire body of work and make an assessment on a coach based on one game. The stuff people are complaining about we did the opposite of just a few days ago in a conference championship game. We made adjustments, started playing better and really got locked in the second half in a game a lot of people thought was over at halftime.

But what body of work does Matt Painter have after 10 years?
1 Co-Big Ten Conference Title
1 Big Ten Tournament
Two Sweet Sixteen appearances
3 of the last 4 years have featured a first game loss in a post season tourney (missed any tourney in 2013-2014)
Average finish of roughly 5 in conference

Compare that to Thad Matta who came to the B1G at the same time:
5 Big Ten Titles
4 Big Ten Tournament Titles
1 NIT Championship
2 Final Fours
1 National Runner-up
1 Elite 8
1 Sweet Sixteen

What Thad Matta has done at OSU is what should be happening at Purdue with the facilities, investment, and fan support.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

It's not as though there are plethora of good coaches out there......there is a risk. Matt is a very good coach. Are you going to get rid of a good coach (this is the same coach that got you to the Big 10 tournament final game just last week) in hopes of getting a better coach? Your AD is not going to fire Matt Painter. He's the least of worries at Purdue right now.

I take the opposite view from many of you.....at some point, it's on the players. Matt Painter did not commit one turnover last night. Basketball players are different breed....they eat and sleep basketball. This is all on them....these are not 5/6th graders. Some of them will get to the NBA.
Matt went small to match up with the opponent. Players did not execute.

There will only be one team standing when its all said and done.....no one else will be happy with their coach either.

But that is where you are wrong. This is not college football where there are maybe 5 elite coaches and probably 20 other coaches who are very good. There are a lot of very good coaches out there and that is evident more now with increased social media awareness. Little Rock was a 13 win team last year and with a new coach and new scheme get to 30 wins. That is on the coach at a mid-major and there are a lot more of those types of coaches in basketball than you think.

 

[lbodel]

But what body of work does Matt Painter have after 10 years?
1 Co-Big Ten Conference Title
1 Big Ten Tournament
Two Sweet Sixteen appearances
3 of the last 4 years have featured a first game loss in a post season tourney (missed any tourney in 2013-2014)
Average finish of roughly 5 in conference

Compare that to Thad Matta who came to the B1G at the same time:
5 Big Ten Titles
4 Big Ten Tournament Titles
1 NIT Championship
2 Final Fours
1 National Runner-up
1 Elite 8
1 Sweet Sixteen

What Thad Matta has done at OSU is what should be happening at Purdue with the facilities, investment, and fan support.

But again, pick out a coach or 2 - what about the 12 other schools/coaches?

Your stats are lovely. But do you also acknowledge that of the 8 NCAA Tournaments that Painter has gone to at Purdue, we've only lost in the first round 2 of them?

Or you point out average finish, but don't mention that 7/11 seasons we've finished in the top 4 and 6/11 we have finished in the top 3.

Painter is the 5th highest paid coach in the Big Ten I believe, if not lower (with the ever-changing list).

John Beilein has been at Michigan for 9 seasons now. He has a 61% winning percentage and 54% in the Big Ten (lower than Painter). He has finished 7th or below in the Big 10 5/9 seasons and has finished in the top 3 in the Big Ten only 2/9 seasons. But he had 2 really good seasons!

So you can say oh well Michigan made it to a Final Four - but the other 7 years, they haven't competed in the Big Ten and a majority of his seasons he hasn't even finished in the top half of the conference. Would you rather have 1 or 2 "really good" years out of 9? Or would you prefer more consistency?

It's a pick your poison kinda deal. And meanwhile, Thad Matta is not even in the tournament and hasn't done much in the tournament in a few years and is paid a lot more than Painter.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

And how young was OSU this year? Thad Matta had an excuse this season as to why his team struggled in conference this season. What is Coach Painter's excuse this season? In the last four years, Purdue has gone out in the first round of the CBI, no tourney, first round loss NCAA, and first round loss NCAA. Many people said if it wasn't this year to make some noise, when could it be?

In your most honest opinion, do you see Matt Painter leading Purdue to a conference title in the next 4 years? What about to the Sweet 16? Elite 8? And please don't say anything can happen. Me personally, after the way the team consistently under performed to perceived expectations (of my own and national pundits), I don't see it happening because the last 4 years show me that it just isn't going to happen. How many times does a team not play to its strengths or get its strength played against them have to happen before people see that it's a coaching problem.

 

[lbodel]

And how young was OSU this year? Thad Matta had an excuse this season as to why his team struggled in conference this season. What is Coach Painter's excuse this season? In the last four years, Purdue has gone out in the first round of the CBI, no tourney, first round loss NCAA, and first round loss NCAA. Many people said if it wasn't this year to make some noise, when could it be?

In your most honest opinion, do you see Matt Painter leading Purdue to a conference title in the next 4 years? What about to the Sweet 16? Elite 8? And please don't say anything can happen. Me personally, after the way the team consistently under performed to perceived expectations (of my own and national pundits), I don't see it happening because the last 4 years show me that it just isn't going to happen. How many times does a team not play to its strengths or get its strength played against them have to happen before people see that it's a coaching problem.

So he's allowed to have excuses...but Purdue isn't? It's not like this team was tabbed as the "this is it!" team.

At the end of the day, Purdue's team is also mostly freshmen and sophomores.

Absolutely Purdue can make a Sweet 16 or further in the next four years.

It's funny that the "last 4 years" is your cut-off. Never mind we've gone past the first round 7/9 years under Painter. But you will only focus on the negative years. Ok! You must be a real joy.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

So he's allowed to have excuses...but Purdue isn't? It's not like this team was tabbed as the "this is it!" team.

At the end of the day, Purdue's team is also mostly freshmen and sophomores.

Absolutely Purdue can make a Sweet 16 or further in the next four years.

It's funny that the "last 4 years" is your cut-off. Never mind we've gone past the first round 7/9 years under Painter. But you will only focus on the negative years. Ok! You must be a real joy.

I'm not focusing solely on the negative years but the fact is in the last 4 years, there has been a downward trend in the program's ability to win the games they need to take the next step in moving the program forward. He failed to do that with poor recruiting results after the early success and now seems to be following the marginal success he built last year with blundering coaching decisions that leave you scratching your head. At one point, he was having Vince Edwards running the point...when has that EVER happened this year? How many minutes had Purdue played this season without Hill or Thompson at the point? I would say less than 10 when fouls were an extreme issue.

This team was tabbed as Painter's highest ability team from top to bottom he has ever had. Size, depth, shooting ability were all strengths. Of those strengths, which were used to the team's advantage yesterday against a team that didn't feature anyone taller than 6'10?

My question is simply getting past the first round of the NCAA tourney good enough for you? That seems to be Painter's ceiling with a once or twice a decade to the Sweet 16. Sorry, not good enough for me and not good enough for many fans.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

But again, pick out a coach or 2 - what about the 12 other schools/coaches?

Your stats are lovely. But do you also acknowledge that of the 8 NCAA Tournaments that Painter has gone to at Purdue, we've only lost in the first round 2 of them?

Or you point out average finish, but don't mention that 7/11 seasons we've finished in the top 4 and 6/11 we have finished in the top 3.

Painter is the 5th highest paid coach in the Big Ten I believe, if not lower (with the ever-changing list).

John Beilein has been at Michigan for 9 seasons now. He has a 61% winning percentage and 54% in the Big Ten (lower than Painter). He has finished 7th or below in the Big 10 5/9 seasons and has finished in the top 3 in the Big Ten only 2/9 seasons. But he had 2 really good seasons!

So you can say oh well Michigan made it to a Final Four - but the other 7 years, they haven't competed in the Big Ten and a majority of his seasons he hasn't even finished in the top half of the conference. Would you rather have 1 or 2 "really good" years out of 9? Or would you prefer more consistency?

It's a pick your poison kinda deal. And meanwhile, Thad Matta is not even in the tournament and hasn't done much in the tournament in a few years and is paid a lot more than Painter.

If I am coming across as boorish and unwilling to see your side, that isn't the case. I understand Painter has had some good success at Purdue and believed he had made the necessary changes to get the program back on track. This isn't football where it can take years and years to rebuild the foundation of success (hell, it wouldn't surprise me if it took Purdue 10 more years to get to a bowl game because of the damage of the last 7-10). This is basketball that with the right coach and right philosophy, a team can improve by 17 wins (Little Rock).

You make some good points about Painter's previous successes and I understand those. I am looking at how Painter is trending in the last 5 years and how that makes it seem that he has the ability to make the next step. He didn't do it after the Baby Boilers and arguably Purdue won't be as talented next year so it likely won't happen UNLESS he is able to land some of the high caliber players in the 2017 class. If he is able to land guys like Wilkes or Scruggs who are high caliber players and move the program forward more, I'll be the first to eat my crow.

 

[BoilerBiker]

So he's allowed to have excuses...but Purdue isn't? It's not like this team was tabbed as the "this is it!" team.

At the end of the day, Purdue's team is also mostly freshmen and sophomores.

Absolutely Purdue can make a Sweet 16 or further in the next four years.

It's funny that the "last 4 years" is your cut-off. Never mind we've gone past the first round 7/9 years under Painter. But you will only focus on the negative years. Ok! You must be a real joy.

Rather than overall stats, I think it's the downward trend over the ten years, between conf finish and NCAA results.

 

[mathboy]

But what body of work does Matt Painter have after 10 years?
1 Co-Big Ten Conference Title
1 Big Ten Tournament
Two Sweet Sixteen appearances
3 of the last 4 years have featured a first game loss in a post season tourney (missed any tourney in 2013-2014)
Average finish of roughly 5 in conference

Compare that to Thad Matta who came to the B1G at the same time:
5 Big Ten Titles
4 Big Ten Tournament Titles
1 NIT Championship
2 Final Fours
1 National Runner-up
1 Elite 8
1 Sweet Sixteen

What Thad Matta has done at OSU is what should be happening at Purdue with the facilities, investment, and fan support.

Most people reading this will think you are just comparing coaches. To a certain degree you are, but you conclude with a dagger at facilities, support and funding. I think this comment is right on target. We were woefully underfunded for a good portion of the last 6 years, and we are just now recovering. It all plays into our success or failure on the court.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Most people reading this will think you are just comparing coaches. To a certain degree you are, but you conclude with a dagger at facilities, support and funding. I think this comment is right on target. We were woefully underfunded for a good portion of the last 6 years, and we are just now recovering. It all plays into our success or failure on the court.

Agree that my post tends to show a simple comparison but with now similar funding and facilities, Painter has seemed to show his lack of ability. I know that Purdue is not going to fire Painter but it is very clear he won't be able to take the program where many of the fans want it to be at.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Nah, you definitely can, when it's very evident that, after 11 seasons, your coach is very mediocre.

I'd rather not settle for this bullshit every year.

 

[banshee90]

Nah, you definitely can, when it's very evident that, after 11 seasons, your coach is very mediocre.

I'd rather not settle for this bullshit every year.

Purdue where we made gene keady a legend for above average! Do you think Purdue would have fired Bruce like Illinois did? I don't we hang onto our Tourney coaches, even if we never see improvements! A tourney appearance is a good thing at purdue who cares if we win a game! /s

 

[lbodel]

I'm not focusing solely on the negative years but the fact is in the last 4 years, there has been a downward trend in the program's ability to win the games they need to take the next step in moving the program forward. He failed to do that with poor recruiting results after the early success and now seems to be following the marginal success he built last year with blundering coaching decisions that leave you scratching your head. At one point, he was having Vince Edwards running the point...when has that EVER happened this year? How many minutes had Purdue played this season without Hill or Thompson at the point? I would say less than 10 when fouls were an extreme issue.

This team was tabbed as Painter's highest ability team from top to bottom he has ever had. Size, depth, shooting ability were all strengths. Of those strengths, which were used to the team's advantage yesterday against a team that didn't feature anyone taller than 6'10?

My question is simply getting past the first round of the NCAA tourney good enough for you? That seems to be Painter's ceiling with a once or twice a decade to the Sweet 16. Sorry, not good enough for me and not good enough for many fans.

So you don't think we won any important games in the past 2 years?

 

[lbodel]

Rather than overall stats, I think it's the downward trend over the ten years, between conf finish and NCAA results.

Our last 4 years:

7
12
3
3

That's not downward...

 

[BoilerDeac]

Our last 4 years:

7
12
3
3

That's not downward...

So, you pat Purdue on the back for finishing 3rd, yet plenty on here discount IU for finishing 1st with their weak schedule.

Can't have it both ways.

 

[lbodel]

So, you pat Purdue on the back for finishing 3rd, yet plenty on here discount IU for finishing 1st with their weak schedule.

Can't have it both ways.

Did Purdue have a weak conference schedule? (and I haven't said a word about IU).

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Our last 4 years:

7
12
3
3

That's not downward...

I see what you are pointing out but this isn't an impressive run like Whisky's top 4 for nearly 15 years straight with final fours and elite 8's sprinkled in there with conference titles. The last two years could be shown as two of the weaker years of the B1G in the last 10 years though. OSU, UM, and Illinois were not good this year and traditionally make up either a higher or mid-higher portion of the B1G.

 

[BoilerDeac]

Did Purdue have a weak conference schedule? (and I haven't said a word about IU).

Yeah, that's my bad; I know you didn't say anything, but we can't just continue to keep patting Painter on the back for a TIED for 3rd place finish; I mean, come on, man!

This team won NOTHING this season. NOTHING. No conf title, no conf tourney title, and nothing in the big dance. Nothing. That's what I've come to expect from Purdue.

We've seen this show for 11 years; Painter got completely and entirely out coached by ARK LR's coach, and it's not really debatable.

The blind support, at some point, has to stop, for anything to change.

 

[banshee90]

So, you pat Purdue on the back for finishing 3rd, yet plenty on here discount IU for finishing 1st with their weak schedule.

Can't have it both ways.

CBI (early loss)
No tourney
First round loss
First round loss

Either B1G is getting a lot worse or Fainter can't coach in the tourney!

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Did Purdue have a weak conference schedule? (and I haven't said a word about IU).

They didn't but it certainly wasn't supremely difficult either. Purdue played @ Rutgers for one of their conference road game along with having to play the best two league teams only once ( @ IU and MSU). They also got Maryland near the end of the conference schedule when Maryland was a bit weaker. Was it Indiana level of easy...no. But to say Purdue struggled in the games they struggled in because of their conference schedule is an excuse IMO.

 

[lbodel]

So, you pat Purdue on the back for finishing 3rd, yet plenty on here discount IU for finishing 1st with their weak schedule.

Can't have it both ways.

And I don't think anyone was complaining about Purdue's season 2 days ago. We went from everyone is happy to suddenly it's unacceptable? One game doesn't change that much other than overreactions.

I posted elsewhere - the NCAA Tournament is a cruel thing. How many schools have their season end in this tournament and the fans are just happy and excited? Very few. 80% or so I'd say end in disappointment.

It sucks, but at the end of the day, it's one game. As I said before too, it'd be one thing if there was some actual trend going on - like we never beat ranked teams in general - or we lose to bad teams routinely - or we could never win on the road - etc. There's absolutely flaws from this team. Every team has flaws. It's why there are upsets in this tournament year after year.

But at the end of the day, we have a lot of young, promising guys on this team. They had a great overall year this year and I look forward to them next year. And I certainly do not see how firing a coach after a 26 win season will result in positive things (and bless your heart for thinking Purdue is going to hire a Tom Izzo).

 

[lbodel]

They didn't but it certainly wasn't supremely difficult either. Purdue played @ Rutgers for one of their conference road game along with having to play the best two league teams only once ( @ IU and MSU). They also got Maryland near the end of the conference schedule when Maryland was a bit weaker. Was it Indiana level of easy...no. But to say Purdue struggled in the games they struggled in because of their conference schedule is an excuse IMO.

I don't think anyone is saying that? But again, you have to look at things on both sides. We also played Iowa when they were red-hot, not when they collapsed down the stretch.