With PG being our biggest obvious unknown next year

[woggy718]

First let me say, as things stand right now, I am not overly worried about that position. I have seen enough from the likes of PJ and Bryson to know that they would be serviceable at the PG position. They wouldn't be all conference caliber, but they would be able to do why they need to do.

With that being said, when was the last time we had a B1G all conference type PG? We've had great defensive Pg's and great facilitator type PG's, but who was the last total package PG that we've had? Someone like a Melo Tremble, or Yogi? Or Koenig/Jackson? Or a D'Angelo Russel/Mike Conley (I know those are rare lottery caliber players)?


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[jadeezra]

Tell me about it when is the last time we've had a big time game changer point guard? I'm rather young at 35 but I sure don't remember one. Lots of good pg but not a true pg who can stretch and dribble. My personal favorite is Carson Cunningham

 

[woggy718]

My point exactly
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[mvboiler]

Originally posted by woggy718:
First let me say, as things stand right now, I am not overly worried about that position. I have seen enough from the likes of PJ and Bryson to know that they would be serviceable at the PG position. They wouldn't be all conference caliber, but they would be able to do why they need to do.

With that being said, when was the last time we had a B1G all conference type PG? We've had great defensive Pg's and great facilitator type PG's, but who was the last total package PG that we've had? Someone like a Melo Tremble, or Yogi? Or Koenig/Jackson? Or a D'Angelo Russel/Mike Conley (I know those are rare lottery caliber players)?


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Appreciate your point of view, but curious as to what you have seen that gives you any confidence that they would be serviceable? I'm not seeing it. Both had positive moments this year, but we needed our 5th year to play 30+ minutes in order to win games. Painter himself alluded to the fact that not playing Octeus more probably cost us some games.

That also ignores the fact that this team needs much better than serviceable point guard play to be good. Octeus was way better than serviceable to me and we ended up with a 9 seed and a first round exit. Without him, we were NIT at best and maybe not even that.
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[woggy718]

Octeus was just plain better than the other options. I didn't say they were great options, I jus think with another offseason of development and the maturity that they played with the last month of the season, I think they can get the job done.
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[Casey and his Brother]

I think Willie Deane is still playing overseas. He's probably as close to an NBA prospect as we've had since Everett Stephens.

 

[alumnfan]

I would take LewJack every day of the week.

 

[JohnHoosierr]

People have been throwing around serviceable lately when referring to our pg next year. That word is a joke and is basically code for having a below average pg. Bryson will not be back, no I have no inside info but if you honestly believe he will you're only fooling yourself. And can we stop with the mathias or vince will be our pg next year? Just because they can dribble a ball does not make them any more of a pg than someone like Haas. Lil pitino would be licking his chops at playing us if those two were the pg's. Neither have the ball skills of a legit big ten point, period . I think vince will be a stud for us, but zero chance it's at pg. And Im still not convinced pj should ever be more then a back up point. He had a couple decent moments but was usually a liability on the court. Don't see that changing anytime soon.

 

[SYoumans]

Was going to say Cunningham as well.


He probably wasn't the best PG we've had in the last 25 years, but probably the most well-rounded as someone who could penetrate, pass, shoot, and score.

If Lewis Jackson had an outside shot, we'd still be talking about his greatness today as maybe Purdue's best PG ever. Awesome finisher, defender, and penetrator but once teams realized he wouldn't and couldn't shoot the 3-ball and ordered his defender to give him 10 feet of cushion, it eliminated so much of his game.

 

[indyogb]

CC is my favorite all time Boilermaker.

He really was a scoring PG, and shined in that roll in 2000-2001, even though the team only made the NIT, I believe. I seem to recall Keady getting frustrated with him for not being more of a "traditional" PG. He brought "the funk".

 

[jadeezra]

Johnhoosier do you really think you are fooling anybody with your peegs handle. Lol give it up man, I agree with much of what you say though....

 

[TopSecretBoiler]

Originally posted by Casey and his Brother:
I think Willie Deane is still playing overseas. He's probably as close to an NBA prospect as we've had since Everett Stephens.

Willie was probably the most underrated Purdue player of all time. He was un-guard-able, even in an era of very physical ball.

 

[CRBoiler]

The freshmen (next year's sophomores) have been special, and with work they can be even more. Yes, with a lot of work, I could see Mathias at point or obviously PJ. The difference is... They're going to put in the work; I believe it. I would not bet against them. Look at what Ray has done; they can do it too.

As far as Bryson, I'm hopeful but have a bad feeling given his lack of PT at the end of the season. Ironically, without his contributions against IU we may not have made the dance, yet he didn't have a chance to step onto the floor. As a junior, I don't think Bryson will take the risk of staying given his ongoing chemistry problems with CMP. In the few minutes he played in the latter part of the season other than the IU games, I didn't think he made that any more mistakes than anyone else, honestly, and at times I thought his athleticism would help... We'll just have to see.

 

[lbodel]

One thing that I'd point out is that while Purdue may not have an "all-conference" PG (I think Lewis was underrated), Purdue has done a pretty good job considering. Look at Maryland - they have 0 ball-handleres outside of Melo Trimble. It was CLEARLY on display last night and it was clearly on display in the previous years with Dez Wells playing point. Really the biggest difference between Maryland last year (not in the tournament) and this year (a 4 seed) is simply a point guard. I don't think Purdue's ever had that desperate/reliant situation one 1 guy with regards to a point guard.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Originally posted by mvboiler:

Originally posted by woggy718:
First let me say, as things stand right now, I am not overly worried about that position. I have seen enough from the likes of PJ and Bryson to know that they would be serviceable at the PG position. They wouldn't be all conference caliber, but they would be able to do why they need to do.

With that being said, when was the last time we had a B1G all conference type PG? We've had great defensive Pg's and great facilitator type PG's, but who was the last total package PG that we've had? Someone like a Melo Tremble, or Yogi? Or Koenig/Jackson? Or a D'Angelo Russel/Mike Conley (I know those are rare lottery caliber players)?


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Appreciate your point of view, but curious as to what you have seen that gives you any confidence that they would be serviceable? I'm not seeing it. Both had positive moments this year, but we needed our 5th year to play 30+ minutes in order to win games. Painter himself alluded to the fact that not playing Octeus more probably cost us some games.

That also ignores the fact that this team needs much better than serviceable point guard play to be good. Octeus was way better than serviceable to me and we ended up with a 9 seed and a first round exit. Without him, we were NIT at best and maybe not even that.
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I saw a lot I liked in PJ this year. And in Scott as well on the defensive end.

I think PJ is the more natural distributor, and with a year under his belt and with an entire summer to work out and practice the craft, I think he'll do well, though he's a bit on the small side but that hasn't hurt Yogi. I don't see him scoring a ton of points but when open he'll take and hopefully hit the outside shot.

As for Bryson, and again it's only if he stays, he won't have to compete against Octeus to whom he lost a lot of his playing time. Scott has a lot of shortcomings in the way he he plays...where it's more about what he thinks than what the staff wants and the team needs. If he cleans out the dance hall of those bad habits (we saw a bit of that in the first IU game) I think the kid has nothing but upside, especially on the defensive end of the court against a Ferrell or the better PG's.

Between those two and Davis, the PG position should be more than serviceable.

 

[Grad2009DPT]

It always bothers me when supposed Purdue supporters want players to leave. Scott has been a hard worker and puts it on the line. Now if he was a trouble maker then yes get rid of a player. This is a hardworking guy and all of you are telling him screw you we hate you, we rather take a player that skipped by Purdue in the first place and who is likely not going to come here now anyways.


Another note, I love that guy that states " I hate when people are ok with meritocracy " As if everyone here is ok with a .500 record. The truth is winning half the games is better then winning no games. It is important to understand how few teams get to certain levels. I disagree when people say we didn't when an end of season championship so we cannot be happy about the good things we did do.

 

[Schnelk]

Is Weatherford a PG or not? Idk I've never seen him. Does he have the handles? I assume he has the athleticism since he's been compared to CK. As a freshman can he contribute at the point or not?

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by Schnelk:

Is Weatherford a PG or not? Idk I've never seen him. Does he have the handles? I assume he has the athleticism since he's been compared to CK. As a freshman can he contribute at the point or not?

Grant Weatherford is a Point Guard. Okay? A tall mean one that can score points. He is a three star, and has been often compared to Kramer. I clipped the not ebelow out of his write up. With him coming in, I am less and less worried about our PG position next year.

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When an opposing coach described Grant Weatherford as "a pain in the butt" on Sunday at the Adidas Invitational, he meant it as a compliment.

Weatherford, a 6-3 Hamilton Heights guard, has a little Bill Laimbeer in him. He doesn't mind being the least-liked player on the court, yet his teammates swear by him.

"I love playing with Grant," said Chandler White, an Indiana Elite teammate. "He's one of those guys who gets under opponents' skin and is annoying. We have to control him a little bit because he can get out of his box, but he's great as a teammate."

Weatherford was the sparkplug as Indiana Elite finished off a title run in the 17U platinum bracket with a 68-61 win over the Eric Gordon Central Stars in an all-Indiana final. Weatherford scored 18 points and Carmel's Ryan Cline (Purdue) also scored 18 as Indiana Elite rallied from a 12-point halftime deficit and ended the Eric Gordon All-Stars' 18-game winning streak dating to the spring.

 

[BBG]

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by Schnelk:

Is Weatherford a PG or not? Idk I've never seen him. Does he have the handles? I assume he has the athleticism since he's been compared to CK. As a freshman can he contribute at the point or not?

Grant Weatherford is a Point Guard. Okay? A tall mean one that can score points. He is a three star, and has been often compared to Kramer. I clipped the not ebelow out of his write up. With him coming in, I am less and less worried about our PG position next year.

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When an opposing coach described Grant Weatherford as "a pain in the butt" on Sunday at the Adidas Invitational, he meant it as a compliment.

Weatherford, a 6-3 Hamilton Heights guard, has a little Bill Laimbeer in him. He doesn't mind being the least-liked player on the court, yet his teammates swear by him.

"I love playing with Grant," said Chandler White, an Indiana Elite teammate. "He's one of those guys who gets under opponents' skin and is annoying. We have to control him a little bit because he can get out of his box, but he's great as a teammate."

Weatherford was the sparkplug as Indiana Elite finished off a title run in the 17U platinum bracket with a 68-61 win over the Eric Gordon Central Stars in an all-Indiana final. Weatherford scored 18 points and Carmel's Ryan Cline (Purdue) also scored 18 as Indiana Elite rallied from a 12-point halftime deficit and ended the Eric Gordon All-Stars' 18-game winning streak dating to the spring.

He certainly sounds like Kramer 2.0