Will Trump's strategy work?

[BuilderBob6]

Trump has chosen to turn up the rhetoric and the lies about immigration at his rallys running up to today's election, apparently against the wishes of some of his advisors who wanted him to focus on the economy and jobs. Will it work or backfire?

One thing is for sure. He will take credit for any victories and blame others for the losses.

 

[hunkgolden]

Trump has chosen to turn up the rhetoric and the lies about immigration at his rallys running up to today's election, apparently against the wishes of some of his advisors who wanted him to focus on the economy and jobs. Will it work or backfire?

One thing is for sure. He will take credit for any victories and blame others for the losses.

Have you increased your rent to The Donald for the ever increasing amount of space he takes up in your head?

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Trump has chosen to turn up the rhetoric and the lies about immigration at his rallys running up to today's election, apparently against the wishes of some of his advisors who wanted him to focus on the economy and jobs. Will it work or backfire?

One thing is for sure. He will take credit for any victories and blame others for the losses.

Lies???? Please post those lies for us. What I've heard Trump say is very true regarding what's going on, including the march being funded by one of Soros' organizations.

 

[kescwi]

Just remember, it's not a lie if Trumpers believe it.

 

[indy35]

Lies???? Please post those lies for us. What I've heard Trump say is very true regarding what's going on, including the march being funded by one of Soros' organizations.

Exhibit A of someone utterly detached from reality. The perfect Trump supporter.

 

[hunkgolden]

Exhibit A of someone utterly detached from reality.

Indy35 saying this?...I think I may have just found my new sig.

 

[kescwi]

Exhibit A of someone utterly detached from reality. The perfect Trump supporter.

I could have some respect for them if I thought they acknowledged the lies but went along with them for some reason, like tax cuts or something, but the fact that they have given up reason and simply believe whatever conspiracy/delusion/lie that Trump and conservative media throw out there is pathetic.

 

[Scheffler90]

Lies???? Please post those lies for us. What I've heard Trump say is very true regarding what's going on, including the march being funded by one of Soros' organizations.

Was there some additional report on this showing Soros funding?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/george-soros-migrant-caravan/

 

[indy35]

Indy35 saying this?...I think I may have just found my new sig.

Sorry you get consistently proven wrong.

 

[indy35]

• He falsely claimed Democrats want to “take away your health care.” (Democrats have consistently supported efforts to expand health care coverage.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed Democrats support “open borders.” (Democrats support border security measures.)
  
  
• He accused Democrats of inviting “caravan after caravan.” (There is no evidence that Democrats are behind the migrant caravan.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed “we’ve already started” to build his promised border wall. (Construction has not begun.)
  
  
• He falsely said “Medicare for all” proposals would “obliterate Medicare for seniors.” (The proposals expand coverage and benefits.)
  
  
• He claimed illegal immigration costs the country over $100 billion a year. (The figure comes from an anti-immigration group that has been heavily criticized by other researchers for methodological flaws.)
  
  
• He claimed lawmakers were unable to pass the Veterans Choice program for “44 years.” (He enacted a bill making changes to the program, which was created under Obama in 2014.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed terminally ill patients could not gain access to experimental drugs before he signed a “Right to Try” law. (A similar federal program has existed since the 1970s.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed to have saved $1.1 billion on the United States Embassy in Jerusalem. (This figure conflates the cost of a temporary location with the cost of building a new permanent embassy.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed to have passed the largest tax cuts in American history. (Several others were larger.)
  
  
• He claimed Republicans would always protect patients with pre-existing conditions. (Republican legislation and actions by the Trump administration have undermined those protections.)
  
  
• He claimed association health plans, which his administration approved in June, will be “frankly better insurance” than those offered under the Affordable Care Act. (The association plans do not have to offer coverage of “essential health benefits” like maternity care, mental health care and prescription drugs.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed to have eliminated the estate tax for small farmers and ranchers. (The tax law raised the threshold for the tax, which affected only about 80 small farms and businesses a year.)

• He falsely claimed “the other side is fighting” protections for pre-existing conditions, while Republicans will always support those protections. (Democrats have consistently supported protections, while Republican legislation and actions by the Trump administration undermine them.)

• He falsely claimed “everybody disagreed with me” during the presidential election when he promised to protect Social Security benefits. (Democratic candidates made the same pledge, as did one Republican candidate.)

• He misleadingly said “Democrats will not allow us to change” immigration laws. (Immigration overhaul legislation supported by the White House was defeated in part because of no votes from Republican lawmakers.)

If you believe Trump is telling the truth on these things in the face of all evidence than yes, you are detached from reality.

 

[Boilersbt4]

• He falsely claimed Democrats want to “take away your health care.” (Democrats have consistently supported efforts to expand health care coverage.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed Democrats support “open borders.” (Democrats support border security measures.)
  
  
• He accused Democrats of inviting “caravan after caravan.” (There is no evidence that Democrats are behind the migrant caravan.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed “we’ve already started” to build his promised border wall. (Construction has not begun.)
  
  
• He falsely said “Medicare for all” proposals would “obliterate Medicare for seniors.” (The proposals expand coverage and benefits.)
  
  
• He claimed illegal immigration costs the country over $100 billion a year. (The figure comes from an anti-immigration group that has been heavily criticized by other researchers for methodological flaws.)
  
  
• He claimed lawmakers were unable to pass the Veterans Choice program for “44 years.” (He enacted a bill making changes to the program, which was created under Obama in 2014.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed terminally ill patients could not gain access to experimental drugs before he signed a “Right to Try” law. (A similar federal program has existed since the 1970s.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed to have saved $1.1 billion on the United States Embassy in Jerusalem. (This figure conflates the cost of a temporary location with the cost of building a new permanent embassy.)
  
  
• He falsely claimed to have passed the largest tax cuts in American history. (Several others were larger.)
  
  
• He claimed Republicans would always protect patients with pre-existing conditions. (Republican legislation and actions by the Trump administration have undermined those protections.)
  
  
• He claimed association health plans, which his administration approved in June, will be “frankly better insurance” than those offered under the Affordable Care Act. (The association plans do not have to offer coverage of “essential health benefits” like maternity care, mental health care and prescription drugs.)
  
  
• He misleadingly claimed to have eliminated the estate tax for small farmers and ranchers. (The tax law raised the threshold for the tax, which affected only about 80 small farms and businesses a year.)

• He falsely claimed “the other side is fighting” protections for pre-existing conditions, while Republicans will always support those protections. (Democrats have consistently supported protections, while Republican legislation and actions by the Trump administration undermine them.)

• He falsely claimed “everybody disagreed with me” during the presidential election when he promised to protect Social Security benefits. (Democratic candidates made the same pledge, as did one Republican candidate.)

• He misleadingly said “Democrats will not allow us to change” immigration laws. (Immigration overhaul legislation supported by the White House was defeated in part because of no votes from Republican lawmakers.)

If you believe Trump is telling the truth on these things in the face of all evidence than yes, you are detached from reality.

Does the right just stick their fingers in their ears when people present facts which refute their worldview? They always come to argue but then just disappear when they are proven wrong.

 

[chiefboiler23]

Does the right just stick their fingers in their ears when people present facts which refute their worldview? They always come to argue but then just disappear when they are proven wrong.

Yes - but that is not exclusive to the right. I think there is a defined population on the left that can't get past how things feel instead of how things are.

 

[Boilersbt4]

Yes - but that is not exclusive to the right. I think there is a defined population on the left that can't get past how things feel instead of how things are.

Hi Ben Shapiro, can you give me an example of how we value feelings over facts? Because I’m still not convinced. Sounds more like projection (kneeling for the anthem makes conservative snowflakes melt) than honest evaluation

 

[indy35]

Does the right just stick their fingers in their ears when people present facts which refute their worldview? They always come to argue but then just disappear when they are proven wrong.

Yes, that's pretty much exactly how all of these conversations on here go. Either ignore the facts, use a terrible false equivalence that they think somehow makes sense, or post some blog spam site that attempts to back up their position.

 

[chiefboiler23]

Hi Ben Shapiro, can you give me an example of how we value feelings over facts? Because I’m still not convinced. Sounds more like projection (kneeling for the anthem makes conservative snowflakes melt) than honest evaluation

Well, I could point you to the "Change my mind" series that is done by Steven Crowder. He goes to college campuses to challenge students on specific positions, and the videos provide good examples of individuals who hold liberal positions holding how they feel about a topic in higher regard than actual evidence and data.

Disclaimer - yes I understand this is anecdotal, and yes it is from someone who aligns with the right; but that is what you asked for.

And for the record, I think Ben Shapiro is a try-hard and there is nothing wrong with kneeling for the anthem...but if you want to make assumptions about me based on a single sentence than you can continue to be what is wrong with society.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Kris Kobach bites the dust.

One POS down.

 

[boilerjohn]

Gillum bites the dust...who would vote for that far left candidate...good news for Florida!

 

[Scheffler90]

Steve King hung on. That's ummmm.....interesting. Ditto Collins in NY, despite likelihood of going to jail. He gets the Marion Berry Award for sure.

Glad Mitt won....though James in MI is losing. A James vs O'Rourke race would be an interesting POTUS match-up someday.

 

[Scheffler90]

Kris Kobach bites the dust.

One POS down.

Kansas is a conservative state, but not an angry state. Kobach is not a happy guy.

 

[TheCainer]

Have you increased your rent to The Donald for the ever increasing amount of space he takes up in your head?

Why does Trump need more space when he obviously holds 100% occupancy of yours? He's obviously cornered the market with you.

 

[miksta]

Kris Kobach bites the dust.

One POS down.

Walker, too.

Cruz barely hung on but, in the process, may have given the dems their dream 2020 candidate.

2020 is going to be rough for the GOP. If the economy loses any momentum at all, say goodbye to both chambers and the presidency. They'll also lose their gerrymandered advantage in 2021 as more governships and/or state legislatures turn blue.

Hope they enjoy their last two years of politics rooted in trolling libs and fearmongering.

 

[miksta]

Have you increased your rent to The Donald for the ever increasing amount of space he takes up in your head?

This is stupid. It was dumb when Avenetti used it and then when Embiid stole it from him.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Kansas is a conservative state, but not an angry state. Kobach is not a happy guy.

What do you think about Desantis winning in FL, Kemp in GA, Dewine in OH? Three highly important states for 2020 right there. Hell, Bob Stefanowski is losing by only about 10,000 in deep blue CT. Still not called due to voting irregularities in New Haven. What a shock. VT elected an R governor.

Also, FL, IN, ND, MO, and MT all appear to have flipped to R in the Senate. Scott won FL, Cruz won TX. TN stayed R.

Last night was no blue wave. It went about as expected.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Walker, too.

Cruz barely hung on but, in the process, may have given the dems their dream 2020 candidate.

2020 is going to be rough for the GOP. If the economy loses any momentum at all, say goodbye to both chambers and the presidency. They'll also lose their gerrymandered advantage in 2021 as more governships and/or state legislatures turn blue.

Hope they enjoy their last two years of politics rooted in trolling libs and fearmongering.

Beto ran a pretty clean campaign, staying positive and consistent with a unifying message. Raised a lot of money from individual contributions.

Close doesn't count.......but to come that close to beating an established pub in Texas without getting in the gutter is impressive. He's going to be around for awhile. I found his message very refreshing.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Walker, too.

Cruz barely hung on but, in the process, may have given the dems their dream 2020 candidate.

2020 is going to be rough for the GOP. If the economy loses any momentum at all, say goodbye to both chambers and the presidency. They'll also lose their gerrymandered advantage in 2021 as more governships and/or state legislatures turn blue.

Hope they enjoy their last two years of politics rooted in trolling libs and fearmongering.

Beto O’Rourke for President? You’ve got to be joking. Trump will win in 2020 and oddly enough the Ds will help him do it. They seem insistent on trying to take down Trump instead of actually trying to govern and get things done. Resistance is a strategy for losing but one the Ds seem to want to do.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Beto ran a pretty clean campaign, staying positive and consistent with a unifying message. Raised a lot of money from individual contributions.

Close doesn't count.......but to come that close to beating an established pub in Texas without getting in the gutter is impressive. He's going to be around for awhile. I found his message very refreshing.

So you’re a Democratic Socialist, Bob? Beto is quite far-left.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Collins and Hunter re-elected. Will be fascinating to watch them get tossed or resign.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Kansas is a conservative state, but not an angry state. Kobach is not a happy guy.

It’s telling when multiple former R governors all threw their support behind the D candidate in this race. Kobach is very out there in his right-wing beliefs.

 

[boilerjohn]

Pelosi in 2018 equates to Trump in 2020. The American people seem to have forgotten why they went so RED under Obama. They will be reminded over the next two years and it bodes well for Trump in 2020.

 

[SDBoiler1]

Collins and Hunter re-elected. Will be fascinating to watch them get tossed or resign.

Bob Menendez in NJ is squeaky clean. So is Corey Booker (Spartacus).

 

[Matt Tiger]

Trump will win in 2020 unless the economy tanks.Does anyone really think Beto can beat him?Why?

 

[indy35]

Trump will win in 2020 unless the economy tanks.Does anyone really think Beto can beat him?Why?

The house won't be running interference on Trump administration crimes anymore. That'll make a real difference.

 

[miksta]

lol at all of the bargaining right wingers in this thread now.

2020 is coming.

 

[miksta]

Pelosi in 2018 equates to Trump in 2020. The American people seem to have forgotten why they went so RED under Obama. They will be reminded over the next two years and it bodes well for Trump in 2020.

Trump has created a younger, more energized, and more engaged electorate. This is only going to become more pronounced before 2020.

This fearmongering and nationalism is going to be the death of the GOP.

 

[Scheffler90]

It’s telling when multiple former R governors all threw their support behind the D candidate in this race. Kobach is very out there in his right-wing beliefs.

True SD. Sometimes when you see guys/gals "on the same team" blackball someone it sorta lets us on the outside know there may be something wrong with this dude. A bit like sports...you see the one teammate that the other players just won't talk to...you know something's up.

 

[SDBoiler1]

True SD. Sometimes when you see guys/gals "on the same team" blackball someone it sorta lets us on the outside know there may be something wrong with this dude. A bit like sports...you see the one teammate that the other players just won't talk to...you know something's up.

That said, I would not equate Kobach and Trump. Different animals and situations altogether.

 

[Scheffler90]

What do you think about Desantis winning in FL, Kemp in GA, Dewine in OH? Three highly important states for 2020 right there. Hell, Bob Stefanowski is losing by only about 10,000 in deep blue CT. Still not called due to voting irregularities in New Haven. What a shock. VT elected an R governor.

Also, FL, IN, ND, MO, and MT all appear to have flipped to R in the Senate. Scott won FL, Cruz won TX. TN stayed R.

Last night was no blue wave. It went about as expected.

Agree. Not a blue wave, but a pretty above average night for D's and a disappointing night for R's, but it could have been much worse...and a few silver linings like FL.

Will be interesting to see what plays out in 2020 when R's are on the defensive in the Senate with many more of their seats are up.

 

[miksta]

What do you think about Desantis winning in FL, Kemp in GA, Dewine in OH? Three highly important states for 2020 right there. Hell, Bob Stefanowski is losing by only about 10,000 in deep blue CT. Still not called due to voting irregularities in New Haven. What a shock. VT elected an R governor.

Also, FL, IN, ND, MO, and MT all appear to have flipped to R in the Senate. Scott won FL, Cruz won TX. TN stayed R.

Last night was no blue wave. It went about as expected.

Can't win em all. Dems won far more than they lost, including a lot of flips last night.

Only going to cascade further over the next two years as more of the electorate sours on Trump's bullshit.

 

[BuilderBob6]

So you’re a Democratic Socialist, Bob? Beto is quite far-left.

Nope. Voting for people with character and who want to work with the other side to solve our many problems. Party affiliation doesn't matter.

What you continually fail to grasp is elected officials rarely get the exact legislation......or in this case, system of government, they want. I don't believe Beto is a socialist.....you and Ted think he is. But if he is willing to work with others to find soloutions, it is going to be a compromise that works because the other side will have been involved. This isn't a kingdom, as much as Trump would like it to be.

 

[miksta]

Nope. Voting for people with character and who want to work with the other side to solve our many problems. Party affiliation doesn't matter.

What you continually fail to grasp is elected officials rarely get the exact legislation......or in this case, system of government, they want. I don't believe Beto is a socialist.....you and Ted think he is. But if he is willing to work with others to find soloutions, it is going to be a compromise that works because the other side will have been involved. This isn't a kingdom, as much as Trump would like it to be.

Beto terrifies the GOP, and for good reason.