Will Brohm be ballsy with trick plays in 2021?

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

I hope he returns to 2017/2018 era and pulls a few tricks out of the bag in close games to get wins. 2019/2020 he lost his edge in gutsy play calls as he stayed with the Rondale end arounds that became predictable and easier to defend week in and week out.
Be gutsy, I’m including Special Teams like we used to gain advantages with as well.
A well timed pop pass, T.E. dump pass, along with patented Iowa underneath screens they used to kill us with. Anything that can give Purdue an advantage to neutralize a team that we shouldn’t beat, but sneak out one or if a game is on the line, and opponent is hanging around like Illini, pull out a play to take the game away.
I’d rather see Brohm go down swinging where a play is busted or snuffed and we lose vs playing a game close to the vest clean and still lose. Risk for reward and take calculated gambles every now and then.

 

[BBG]

Everything I read says he will and I honestly think that getting COVID had more of an impact on him than we realize.

I've had friends that have gotten it and it was MONTHS before they were back to normal. So I can see it sucking his motivation and hope he has it back!

 

[purduepat1969]

Everything I read says he will and I honestly think that getting COVID had more of an impact on him than we realize.

I've had friends that have gotten it and it was MONTHS before they were back to normal. So I can see it sucking his motivation and hope he has it back!

I agree. I have to believe this had something to do with what happened to his play calling last year.

 

[nat100]

I don’t get the fascination with trick plays. Good teams don’t use them.

 

[Tommaker]

Not sure about trick plays, but I suspect at some point he'll need to pull out the 'Ole Billy Baroo.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

I don’t get the fascination with trick plays. Good teams don’t use them.

It is simple, a lesser talented team can win with them. Ask Boise State.
Didn’t Nebraska also beat Miami in the 80’s on a perfectly executed fumble rooski?

 

[izakman]

I hope we see some. I like the excitement of not knowing what is coming and I like that defenses are (can be) caught off guard with them.

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

anyone got a video of the fake "take a knee" before Halftime in bowl game that Purdue did?

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

anyone got a video of the fake "take a knee" before Halftime in bowl game that Purdue did?

Foster Farms bowl 2017. Fun trick play.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

It is simple, a lesser talented team can win with them. Ask Boise State.
Didn’t Nebraska also beat Miami in the 80’s on a perfectly executed fumble rooski?

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No, they lost that game

 

[KentuckyBoiler]

Whatever it takes to win this year

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Whatever it takes to win this year

Let’s start with having 22 starters opposing coaches can’t “Ben holt” to victories and being able to hit bread and butter plays.

if I was brohm and the assistants were like “more trick plays” I’d be like “is king doerue ready to contribute? Do we have 5 linebackers who can play in both run and pass situations? Hey you know some of those guys who have been on campus for 2, 3, 4 years .. we any closer to seeing them on the field like ever?”

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Let’s start with having 22 starters opposing coaches can’t “Ben holt” to victories and being able to hit bread and butter plays.

if I was brohm and the assistants were like “more trick plays” I’d be like “is king doerue ready to contribute? Do we have 5 linebackers who can play in both run and pass situations? Hey you know some of those guys who have been on campus for 2, 3, 4 years .. we any closer to seeing them on the field like ever?”

I truly see your point in LB Ben Holt rolled to defeats. There is a time and place for 1 to 2 well timed trick plays to either keep the ball and thereby keep the drive alive to put Purdue in a position to win.

Playing straight up man to man vanilla and push them thru to end zone won't work against an Ohio State for sure and in a close game needing separation is just disappointing that Purdue played close to the vest. When our coach who is paid $3+ million and at one time was a "creative genius", doesn't use a creative disguised play, it is flat out disappointing to not pull out a trick play. That was almost the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons. Where has creative genius gone? When those plays do work, it creates enthusiasm on the sidelines and in the stands. That is my opinion.

I also understand that gimmicky plays cannot be used over and over. You get one shot, then other teams on the schedule will be prepared for it next time around.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

I don’t get the fascination with trick plays. Good teams don’t use them.

For once I agree with you. But I'd state it as, "Good teams don't NEED them."

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I truly see your point in LB Ben Holt rolled to defeats. There is a time and place for 1 to 2 well timed trick plays to either keep the ball and thereby keep the drive alive to put Purdue in a position to win.

Playing straight up man to man vanilla and push them thru to end zone won't work against an Ohio State for sure and in a close game needing separation is just disappointing that Purdue played close to the vest. When our coach who is paid $3+ million and at one time was a "creative genius", doesn't use a creative disguised play, it is flat out disappointing to not pull out a trick play. That was almost the entire 2019 and 2020 seasons. Where has creative genius gone? When those plays do work, it creates enthusiasm on the sidelines and in the stands. That is my opinion.

I also understand that gimmicky plays cannot be used over and over. You get one shot, then other teams on the schedule will be prepared for it next time around.

I don’t have a problem with it.. it’s a good way to beat stupid teams or players who aren’t dialed in…

I just wanna see some staples that must be established be established…

 

[Evergr8ful]

Everything I read says he will and I honestly think that getting COVID had more of an impact on him than we realize.

I've had friends that have gotten it and it was MONTHS before they were back to normal. So I can see it sucking his motivation and hope he has it back!

Curious, where have you read that? I've seen plenty of interviews that cite that he's going toward a much more balanced offense, and that he wants the defense to be more "risk-takers," but I don't remember seeing anything where he's said he'll go back to running more trick or misdirection plays. Not questioning that you're correct, I just can't recall reading anything.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Curious, where have you read that? I've seen plenty of interviews that cite that he's going toward a much more balanced offense, and that he wants the defense to be more "risk-takers," but I don't remember seeing anything where he's said he'll go back to running more trick or misdirection plays. Not questioning that you're correct, I just can't recall reading anything.

A bit of history might repeat itself. Back in the day, Coach Tiller wanted more of a balanced offense with run/pass mix off the spread offense. Even with incredible defensive talent, and good RB's (Montrell Lowe, Brandon Jones, and Jerod Void) that barely let Purdue scratch the upper tier conference only to soon go back to mid pack. Going toe to toe with some "vanilla" against the big boys or a game that needs to be won didn't get us over the hump.

If not attempting to pull out all the stops (including a few tricks), that may prevent us from winning 6+ games this season. Some here want toe to toe and see who has matured. I like that concept and idea, but getting a team on their heels and delivering a blow for points or keeping the ball/drive alive to kill the clock and get the W is what the game is all about. How smart and disciplined can Purdue and coach Brohm be this season? We'll find out soon enough. If they script for it and practice it, then run it when you have the chance and opportunity to strike them down. If normal drives are not resulting in points late in the 1st half or anytime it warrants in the 4th Qtr., then it is time to go at them with a trick.

It will take very good discipline from assignments down to no stupid penalties (i.e. NB) to reach 6-6. Cushion the discipline with well timed and executed trick or two and 6-6 to 7-5 can be had. Stay vanilla and 5-7 or 6-6 is possible. I know what I'd do, but I'm the everyday fan. We are talking about one maybe two games that need an injection of calculated gamble.

Here are my predictions for this season:
Wins: Oregon State, Connecticut, Illinois, MN, MI State, I.U.
Losses: ND, IA, WI, NB, Ohio State, NW

I could see multiple toss ups with Iowa and MN could go either way. NB on the road can be tough for Purdue and the same can be said of NW. I.U has the talent, but do they have the discipline late in the season on the road for a rivalry game? With 5 toss ups this year, why would you not go for the throat? There are numerous tricks and variations that can be done. Give your young men who work hard the opportunity to have fun while working.

 

[Purdue85]

For once I agree with you. But I'd state it as, "Good teams don't NEED them."

with all due respect, neither one is true. that sounds like nothing more than an argument to support complaints about Purdue football/Jeff Brohm.

People b*tched about Tiller's spread offense. Called it "gimmicky". Said it was because we couldn't go "head to head" vs OSU/UM/UW et al. Tiller simply used his personnel and playcalling against the teams that couldn't defend it.

Numerous NFL teams use "trick" plays. Some are even the 'better' NFL programs.

You see trick plays in some of the premier bowl games.

Play the game. Period. If you can use a play to catch your opponent off guard, that's what good coaches will do. If you're a team and you get caught flat-footed or out of position because you didn't see a play coming, that's on you. Play the game.

 

[Chi-Boiler]

You play to win the game.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

with all due respect, neither one is true. that sounds like nothing more than an argument to support complaints about Purdue football/Jeff Brohm.

People b*tched about Tiller's spread offense. Called it "gimmicky". Said it was because we couldn't go "head to head" vs OSU/UM/UW et al. Tiller simply used his personnel and playcalling against the teams that couldn't defend it.

Numerous NFL teams use "trick" plays. Some are even the 'better' NFL programs.

You see trick plays in some of the premier bowl games.

Play the game. Period. If you can use a play to catch your opponent off guard, that's what good coaches will do. If you're a team and you get caught flat-footed or out of position because you didn't see a play coming, that's on you. Play the game.

I agree that you "play the game". For all of my years of coaching, I've also taught that teams don't win but that the other team loses because they're not prepared. If you have done your job, prepared your team for every situation, and unless the other team has far more talent, with that you should win the game. Tiller was a far better coach than Jeff Brohm.

 

[FirstDownB]

Foster Farms bowl 2017. Fun trick play.

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I enjoy the creativity and most trick plays, but in hindsight I didn't really like this one. When you line up and act as if you are taking a knee, you take a knee. If you are ok with this trick play, then you have to be ok with a defender launching over the line and hitting your QB when he is stepping back to take a knee.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

I enjoy the creativity and most trick plays, but in hindsight I didn't really like this one. When you line up and act as if you are taking a knee, you take a knee. If you are ok with this trick play, then you have to be ok with a defender launching over the line and hitting your QB when he is stepping back to take a knee.

Not much different than a fake spike, pull up and throw an over the shoulder catch for TD. 4 Pts vs 3 Pts can be enough to win. When it is all said and done, it is the scoreboard every coach gets measured by.

 

[Purdue85]

I agree that you "play the game". For all of my years of coaching, I've also taught that teams don't win but that the other team loses because they're not prepared. If you have done your job, prepared your team for every situation, and unless the other team has far more talent, with that you should win the game. Tiller was a far better coach than Jeff Brohm.

Appreciate the candid follow up.

Tiller had far more talent than Brohm. Completely different situation, era, etc. Not sure how anyone would objectively evaluate them head-to-head..

I'm old enough to recall all the vitriol direct at Tiller and his coaching...

 

[Purdue85]

I enjoy the creativity and most trick plays, but in hindsight I didn't really like this one. When you line up and act as if you are taking a knee, you take a knee. If you are ok with this trick play, then you have to be ok with a defender launching over the line and hitting your QB when he is stepping back to take a knee.

we didn't fake taking a knee. We simply lined up in that formation, then the QB took off with the snap. As a defensive unit, you simply need to be prepared on every snap.

 

[purduepat1969]

we didn't fake taking a knee. We simply lined up in that formation, then the QB took off with the snap. As a defensive unit, you simply need to be prepared on every snap.

I think his point was, when you line up in the victory formation like you're going to take a knee, and then run a trick play, you might set yourself up for the defense to not take your victory formation seriously in the future, which could potentially lead to an injury. I enjoyed the play but can also see the danger with it. In this case it was a bowl game where teams generally pull out all the stops.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I hope he returns to 2017/2018 era and pulls a few tricks out of the bag in close games to get wins. 2019/2020 he lost his edge in gutsy play calls as he stayed with the Rondale end arounds that became predictable and easier to defend week in and week out.
Be gutsy, I’m including Special Teams like we used to gain advantages with as well.
A well timed pop pass, T.E. dump pass, along with patented Iowa underneath screens they used to kill us with. Anything that can give Purdue an advantage to neutralize a team that we shouldn’t beat, but sneak out one or if a game is on the line, and opponent is hanging around like Illini, pull out a play to take the game away.
I’d rather see Brohm go down swinging where a play is busted or snuffed and we lose vs playing a game close to the vest clean and still lose. Risk for reward and take calculated gambles every now and then.

I feel the same way about trick plays as I do about giving out injury info: I don’t care either way. Just win.

 

[Purdue85]

I think his point was, when you line up in the victory formation like you're going to take a knee, and then run a trick play, you might set yourself up for the defense to not take your victory formation seriously in the future, which could potentially lead to an injury. I enjoyed the play but can also see the danger with it. In this case it was a bowl game where teams generally pull out all the stops.

I understood that, but appreciate the follow up.

 

[NVboiler]

I hate a play where it appears the punt receiver is making a fair catch and then takes off running. Someone could get seriously hurt, that person or someone else actually making a fair catch. Defensive players shouldn't be put into that situation whether that was a legitimate fair catch signal or not.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Appreciate the candid follow up.

Tiller had far more talent than Brohm. Completely different situation, era, etc. Not sure how anyone would objectively evaluate them head-to-head..

I'm old enough to recall all the vitriol direct at Tiller and his coaching...

Explain to me why Tiller, who was at that time a gamble for Purdue had more talent than JB, who came to WL full of praise and high expectations.

 

[FirstDownB]

Explain to me why Tiller, who was at that time a gamble for Purdue had more talent than JB, who came to WL full of praise and high expectations.

Because Colletto could actually recruit

 

[Purdue85]

Explain to me why Tiller, who was at that time a gamble for Purdue had more talent than JB, who came to WL full of praise and high expectations.

already did that in a (recent) prior post. If you need, I can go back and find it.

Let me know.

I'm not being a smart-@ss, I'll do that if you cannot find it.

Peace.

EDIT:

I'd like for you to explain:
1. how Tiller was a gamble and Brohm was not
2. how being an alleged "gamble" equates to more less talent on an existing roster
3. how much "praise and high expectations" Brohm came with vs. Tiller, and how we would even begin to assess and agree upon that subjective evaluation

 

[JWPurdue]

I don’t get the fascination with trick plays. Good teams don’t use them.

First sentence sure ok. Second sentence simply false.

 

[Purdue85]

Explain to me why Tiller, who was at that time a gamble for Purdue had more talent than JB, who came to WL full of praise and high expectations.

okay... I didn't want your request to go without a response. You also piqued my curiosity, and I had to go back and find it.

Here's the link: https://purdue.forums.rivals.com/threads/watts.212696/post-3066213

It should put the question to rest. (It isn't even close.)

 

[nat100]

First sentence sure ok. Second sentence simply false.

I really enjoy when bama runs trick plays.

 

[nat100]

Explain to me why Tiller, who was at that time a gamble for Purdue had more talent than JB, who came to WL full of praise and high expectations.

You can’t be serious. Does your significant other know anything about football?

 

[Purdue85]

I really enjoy when bama runs trick plays.

Sometimes I wonder, where does some of this sh*t come from?

It's like some people live in an alternate universe.

Bama, running "trick plays" (in the Saban era), and even during a NC game...

 

[nat100]

Sometimes I wonder, where does some of this sh*t come from?

It's like some people live in an alternate universe.

Bama, running "trick plays" (in the Saban era), and even during a NC game...

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That okay is 10 years old. Ffs. Even you are better than that

 

[Purdue85]

That okay is 10 years old. Ffs. Even you are better than that

wha...??

One, I didn't put together the video. I simply found it on a very quick search.

Two, It's during the Saban era. If there were "rules" about 'Bama's trick plays, I missed them.

Three, you should be better than that. They run them. They've been ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS in college football for years.

There are many more, but I'll leave it at that.

dude.

 

[nat100]

wha...??

One, I didn't put together the video. I simply found it on a very quick search.

Two, It's during the Saban era. If there were "rules" about 'Bama's trick plays, I missed them.

Three, you should be better than that. They run them. They've been ONE OF THE BEST TEAMS in college football for years.

There are many more, but I'll leave it at that.

dude.

Bama uses trick plays infrequently because they don’t need them. Brohm was at one point talking about several a game.

good teams line up and run their offense.

 

[Hausta01]

Bama uses trick plays infrequently because they don’t need them. Brohm was at one point talking about several a game.

good teams line up and run their offense.

Bama has that trick play where the Heisman trophy winner scores a TD, they run it like 25 times a year