Who redshirts this year?

[punaj]

I hate saying that anyone should redshirt because if I were good enough to play at a school like Purdue, I know I'd want to play or have my shot if needed.

I would say both Wheeler and Sasha should redshirt this year, and not because they aren't good enough to play, but more because I see their minutes as a waste of a year.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I did not want Cline to redshirt as a freshman, but looking back I wish he did. Would we have lost that Florida game... probably. But he didn't get a lot of time, and he'd be a soph this year. He played well last year, and so far this year is shooting very well and starting to be more of a threat with the ball which again makes him a better 3 point threat with defense having to sag to watch his drive.

We have a ton of shooters this year - PJ, Dakota, Ryan, Vince, and Carsen are all going to get their shots and a lot of playing time. We haven't seen Haarms on the court for real yet, but a 7'3" forward is hard to sit, especially if he can move well and shot the three to draw out defenders. Add in JT and obviously Haas, and their isn't a lot of front court time either.

Anyway, I love the athleticism and shooting I have seen from Aaron and Sasha, but I'd love to see how good they could be as 5th year seniors even more.

 

[njm8845]

I hate saying that anyone should redshirt because if I were good enough to play at a school like Purdue, I know I'd want to play or have my shot if needed.

I would say both Wheeler and Sasha should redshirt this year, and not because they aren't good enough to play, but more because I see their minutes as a waste of a year.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I did not want Cline to redshirt as a freshman, but looking back I wish he did. Would we have lost that Florida game... probably. But he didn't get a lot of time, and he'd be a soph this year. He played well last year, and so far this year is shooting very well and starting to be more of a threat with the ball which again makes him a better 3 point threat with defense having to sag to watch his drive.

We have a ton of shooters this year - PJ, Dakota, Ryan, Vince, and Carsen are all going to get their shots and a lot of playing time. We haven't seen Haarms on the court for real yet, but a 7'3" forward is hard to sit, especially if he can move well and shot the three to draw out defenders. Add in JT and obviously Haas, and their isn't a lot of front court time either.

Anyway, I love the athleticism and shooting I have seen from Aaron and Sasha, but I'd love to see how good they could be as 5th year seniors even more.

My very humble first impression is that Sasha should shirt. I haven't really even seen him play yet. But we already have a lot of shooters. Wheeler I'd lean against, as we may need frontline help. It's not inconceivable that someone gets hurt and haas gets into foul trouble.

 

[mathboy]

My very humble first impression is that Sasha should shirt. I haven't really even seen him play yet. But we already have a lot of shooters. Wheeler I'd lean against, as we may need frontline help. It's not inconceivable that someone gets hurt and haas gets into foul trouble.

Maybe you should watch a bit of these WUG games before saying Sasha should shirt. He looks to be better than you would expect a freshman to be, and he has a sweet stroke with a fast release. I was impressed, at least. He seems like one of those players that is always in the right place at the right time, and hits the shot just when needed.

 

[since1980]

I don't disagree. Even though Sasha has looked like he can come in and compete, there simply won't be minutes.
But I think Wheeler is a different situation. He just got to Purdue and we aren't even in normal pre-season practice time yet. He is capable of working his way into the rotation and beating out Haarms and Ewing if he learns the system and improves on what his role needs to be this season which will mainly be rebounding and defense with some occasional offense.
I just can't get past the Kansas game last year. I think Painter is going to need athletic lineups to play if we run up against a team like them in the tournament. I think Wheeler will only get better over the course of the season and it won't be a wasted year in terms of how he helps the team. Yes, next year he will play a more major role, but I think this year he still has a chance to really help.
Having said that, I would totally understand if he does redshirt and long term it would obviously be a good thing.

 

[Beeazlebub]

With Grady playing his rear off & showing productivity as well, Ewing seems a possibility to me. Anyone know his eligibility - Does he have 4 to play 3 or 3 to play 2?

I know he didn't arrive on campus until late, but he is obviously behind the other players in terms of understanding what is going on. Adding Haarms to the front-court rotation will make playing time even tighter.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

Maybe you should watch a bit of these WUG games before saying Sasha should shirt. He looks to be better than you would expect a freshman to be, and he has a sweet stroke with a fast release. I was impressed, at least. He seems like one of those players that is always in the right place at the right time, and hits the shot just when needed.

I agree he's been a pleasant surprise but there just aren't minutes for him this year, unless he takes them from Cline. I don't think that's a good enough tradeoff to justify not shirting. I'd much rather have him another year.

 

[Wolegib]

I clearly don't see the need to redshirt on a basketball team other than for injury purposes. What will he or the team gain? Taylor is a great example. He gained an extra year, and he could maybe apply for a second year. But we will have Williams, Ewing, and Haarms next year, and Taylor is still not guaranteed to start. Williams could really develop this year and become a monster as a freshman next year.

As for Sasha, we keep saying our starting backcourt of the future will be Edwards and Eastern. And if we sign Hunter, Hunter will eventually replace Edwards. Sasha gains nothing by redshirting. At best, he will always be a role player.

As for Wheeler, he may gain if the purpose is to teach him to transform positions to become a small forward. But I believe he is smart and talented enough that he really doesn't need to redshirt a year to learn that position.

The question in redshirting is what is the benefit to the athlete, and what is the benefit to the athlete? What would Purdue gain by Wheeler redshirting? And what would Wheeler gain? I think it's rather selfish to want a player to continue to play for Purdue for ever. I believe Wheeler would learn just as much from playing even if it is just a few minutes than he would from redshirting. Haarms had the benefit from redshirting.

In reference to redshirting I look at Purdue's current seniors. Each one could have redshirted, but what would they have gained? Being another year older? If Haas had redshirted, how much better would he be? Would PJ be an all American next year? That is why I say let them play if only a few minutes a game.

Look at C Edwards . He made a ton of mistakes playing as a freshman. But he learned a lot more than he ever would red shirting.

 

[Beeazlebub]

I clearly don't see the need to redshirt on a basketball team other than for injury purposes. What will he or the team gain? Taylor is a great example. He gained an extra year, and he could maybe apply for a second year. But we will have Williams, Ewing, and Haarms next year, and Taylor is still not guaranteed to start. Williams could really develop this year and become a monster as a freshman next year.

As for Sasha, we keep saying our starting backcourt of the future will be Edwards and Eastern. And if we sign Hunter, Hunter will eventually replace Edwards. Sasha gains nothing by redshirting. At best, he will always be a role player.

As for Wheeler, he may gain if the purpose is to teach him to transform positions to become a small forward. But I believe he is smart and talented enough that he really doesn't need to redshirt a year to learn that position.

The question in redshirting is what is the benefit to the athlete, and what is the benefit to the athlete? What would Purdue gain by Wheeler redshirting? And what would Wheeler gain? I think it's rather selfish to want a player to continue to play for Purdue for ever. I believe Wheeler would learn just as much from playing even if it is just a few minutes than he would from redshirting. Haarms had the benefit from redshirting.

In reference to redshirting I look at Purdue's current seniors. Each one could have redshirted, but what would they have gained? Being another year older? If Haas had redshirted, how much better would he be? Would PJ be an all American next year? That is why I say let them play if only a few minutes a game.

Look at C Edwards . He made a ton of mistakes playing as a freshman. But he learned a lot more than he ever would red shirting.

Kids benefit from that year by getting stronger and more mature. That extra year for Taylor made the difference between having the potential to contribute vs sitting on the bench.

Painter himself said "I should be shot" for not redshirting Ryne Smith, and he was still a solid player by his jr/sr year.

Carsen was both ready to play physically & one of the most talented players on the team - he is not a good example

 

[takedownboiler]

Wheeler shouldn't redshirt. He brings an element to this team we haven't really seen in years. His Length and athleticism is something this team/crowd will need at certain times.

 

[Wolegib]

Kids benefit from that year by getting stronger and more mature. That extra year for Taylor made the difference between having the potential to contribute vs sitting on the bench.

Painter himself said "I should be shot" for not redshirting Ryne Smith, and he was still a solid player by his jr/sr year.

Carsen was both ready to play physically & one of the most talented players on the team - he is not a good example

By your words, I see both Wheeler and Ewing also as bad examples to redshirt. Like Edwards, Wheeler is too talented to be redshirted. I see Ewing as already strong and mature enough, so he would not really benefit physically from redshirting. Part of being a JuCo is a player has basically used those first 1-2 years to mature. Ewing's issues are not physical, but mainly by arriving late, he needs more time to gain an understanding of our system. Does he really need an entire year to learn our system?

I also see Taylor as a bad example to prove redshirting is successful. If not for his injuries, Taylor could have been fighting Haas for starting time last year and Swanigan could have played more at PF last year. Purdue could have had an entirely different look if Taylor was healthy last year. Yes, he looks great this year, but if not for his injury, he could have looked great last year.

 

[DrEss]

I am watching this current team for the first time with a CBSSN replay of the Romania game this morning. Team definitely is more athletic and long. At times I forget I'm watching a Purdue team with this added athleticism. Looking FW to seeing what this team does in the medal round, but that said, this team will definitely surprise everyone other than Purdue followers this coming season. BTFU!!

 

[spradecki]

i don't understand why a player would ever want to redshirt. why stick around another year when some guys are finishing in 3 years. (injury changes that)

most athletes go to school for the education first.

 

[Fansince72]

I don't see any reason for any of these frosh to red shirt this year . We are losing 4 starters next year and these guys have to be ready to play. They all need the vital experience of playing with the seniors in real games. This yrs team has more depth than any Purdue team I have ever seen, and I look at it as a positive.

 

[Beeazlebub]

I don't see any reason for any of these frosh to red shirt this year . We are losing 4 starters next year and these guys have to be ready to play. They all need the vital experience of playing with the seniors in real games. This yrs team has more depth than any Purdue team I have ever seen, and I look at it as a positive.

Somewhat of an aside, but I think most fans overvalue in-game experience vs practice & individual work. I'm not sure what 4 or 5 min per game, mainly when the contest is already decided, does much to improve a player when the cost is a year of eligibility. All situations are unique, but the situation for Taylor is such that he needed time to physically grow and mature into his body, and no amount of real-game experience would have improved that aspect of his game.

 

[Fansince72]

Disagree, been watching Haarms sitting on the sidelines and I can tell the kid can't wait to get in there and play with these guys. JT' s situation is different because of injuries he couldn't play. Don't think he would have redshirted otherwise. Think about how much better we would have been last year with him on the floor.

 

[njm8845]

Maybe you should watch a bit of these WUG games before saying Sasha should shirt. He looks to be better than you would expect a freshman to be, and he has a sweet stroke with a fast release. I was impressed, at least. He seems like one of those players that is always in the right place at the right time, and hits the shot just when needed.

I think we shouldn't take too much from the games played so far. Most of the competition thus far has been mid major quality. How's his defense?

This is a simple question... whose minutes does Sasha take? That's why I'd lean towards him shirting. Nothing against the kid, but you're not going to go 10 deep in the real season.

 

[Wolegib]

I have to believe Taylor was ready to contribute physically and mentally last year. and if not for his injury, what we are seeing now, we would have seen last year. And sure, all athletes would be more mature and more physical and know the plays better if they are redshirted. but for the most part, unlike other basketball programs, Purdue recruits a lot of players ready to contribute immediately. Those programs that redshirt probably don't recruit players ready to contribute.

I have to wonder how many other big time basketball teams red shirt their players. and can anybody give me some examples of quality players that red shirted for any other reason other than an injury?

Sure, I can see if a player is injured in high school like Taylor or Williams was, they will need time to rehab and get back in shape. but if taylor hadn't injured himself, I doubt he would have ever thought of redshirting - even as a freshman.

As for Ewing. I'm totally against redshirting any juco player. The reason to recruit a juco player in the first place is they should already be physically ready and mentally prepared to play. they are supposed to be a quick fix, not a project. Otherwise, you don't sign them to spend another year trying to develop them.

 

[StickPurdue]

Sasha is the only one that makes sense to redshirt due to depth at the guard position. There arent a lot of scenarios that would give him meaningful playing time. I think he has been way ahead of schedule, but it would make sense to let him sit a year.

There is no reason to redshirt Ewing. Ewing is good, but I don't know that him eating up a scholarship for three years is a good thing. I can't see him wanting to take a redshirt either and currently he seems ahead of Wheeler. He is physically ready to play and has had 2 years of JUCO to prep him. Another year won't donhim any good.

As for Wheeler, he has such a high ceiling that he could fill in minutes in case there is any injury. 5th years also have a tendency to leave for that final year, so it is worth the gamble to not have him red shirt.

Haarms is ineligible due to last year.

 

[Beeazlebub]

As for Ewing. I'm totally against redshirting any juco player. The reason to recruit a juco player in the first place is they should already be physically ready and mentally prepared to play. they are supposed to be a quick fix, not a project. Otherwise, you don't sign them to spend another year trying to develop them.

You don't coach a team or player for what they should be, but for what they are. If Ewing has potential as an athletic 4, and he's buried on the chart, you consider redshirting him. Same goes with Sasha.

 

[todd brewster]

I saw one poster break out the minutes about a week ago and does anyone want to do it here?

If we do, I see Vincent/Mathis/Haas/Carsen/PJ/Taylor in that order getting 160 minutes. Next we have Eastern/Haarms/Ewing/Cline getting 40 minutes.

This means we go 10 deep. It also means we have to divvy up Haas/Taylor/Haarms/Ewing at the 4,5. Vincent/Cline or Mathis at the 3. Mathis or Cline/Carsen/Eastern/PJ at the 1,2.

 

[punaj]

I started this post thinking about two guys in particular, one that shirted and one that didn't - Brian Cardinal and Ryne Smith. We all know how both of them turned out, and that's why I thought about not wasting a year. I guess it comes down to how good you want to be in college without being so good that you leave for the NBA early. A year to hit the gym, like always in football, would help that. Do you want to play 3 minutes a game as a freshman or have an extra year as one of the best on the team.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

With Grady playing his rear off & showing productivity as well, Ewing seems a possibility to me. Anyone know his eligibility - Does he have 4 to play 3 or 3 to play 2?

I know he didn't arrive on campus until late, but he is obviously behind the other players in terms of understanding what is going on. Adding Haarms to the front-court rotation will make playing time even tighter.

I tend to agree on Ewing. My guess is that he would barely contribute this year vs. what he could offer two years from now.

 

[Wolegib]

I started this post thinking about two guys in particular, one that shirted and one that didn't - Brian Cardinal and Ryne Smith. We all know how both of them turned out, and that's why I thought about not wasting a year. I guess it comes down to how good you want to be in college without being so good that you leave for the NBA early. A year to hit the gym, like always in football, would help that. Do you want to play 3 minutes a game as a freshman or have an extra year as one of the best on the team.

I would agree with your reasoning. However, I don't believe you should waste your time and theirs by red shirting players who would project out as role players their entire year. What would be the point or purpose? Look st Grady. Sure, he could benefit, but what would be the point? The same applies to Sasha. Sure, he could red shirt, but in 4 years, I still don't see him as being one of the best on the team.

Ewing was supposed to be a quick fix for this year as our depth at PF was low. To red shirt him goes against our needs for him this year.

As for Wheeler, He looks to be Edwards backup. I don't want Edwards playing 35 minutes because we're saving Wheeler.

We need backups even if they don't play very much.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

I started this post thinking about two guys in particular, one that shirted and one that didn't - Brian Cardinal and Ryne Smith. We all know how both of them turned out, and that's why I thought about not wasting a year. I guess it comes down to how good you want to be in college without being so good that you leave for the NBA early. A year to hit the gym, like always in football, would help that. Do you want to play 3 minutes a game as a freshman or have an extra year as one of the best on the team.

I would agree with your reasoning. However, I don't believe you should waste your time and theirs by red shirting players who would project out as role players their entire year. What would be the point or purpose? Look st Grady. Sure, he could benefit, but what would be the point? The same applies to Sasha. Sure, he could red shirt, but in 4 years, I still don't see him as being one of the best on the team.

Ewing was supposed to be a quick fix for this year as our depth at PF was low. To red shirt him goes against our needs for him this year.

As for Wheeler, He looks to be Edwards backup. I don't want Edwards playing 35 minutes because we're saving Wheeler.

We need backups even if they don't play very much.

If Sasha keeps shooting 3's like he has been in the medal round, one would be foolish to redshirt him! If he proves it against better competition my question would be why?

 

[Boiler Buck]

If Sasha keeps shooting 3's like he has been in the medal round, one would be foolish to redshirt him! If he proves it against better competition my question would be why?

Because freshman will generally be weaker on D than juniors and seniors ahead of him and thus see little PT....like Smith who couldn't play D to save his life as a frosh but was pretty good as an upper classman.

 

[punaj]

If we we're rebuilding this year, or if it were next year after losing four starting seniors, I'd think differently. I just don't see a lot of minutes this year - Sasha is on fire in WUG, but Dakota and Cline are shooting just as well and playing better defense. Redshirts are rare in basketball so I doubt any happen. I hope all our guys do well... happy to eat my words.

 

[tjreese]

Maybe you should watch a bit of these WUG games before saying Sasha should shirt. He looks to be better than you would expect a freshman to be, and he has a sweet stroke with a fast release. I was impressed, at least. He seems like one of those players that is always in the right place at the right time, and hits the shot just when needed.

He is much better than I thought he would be on the offensive end, but he does pick up fouls like Kendall and Ryan in their youth

 

[tjreese]

Because freshman will generally be weaker on D than juniors and seniors ahead of him and thus see little PT....like Smith who couldn't play D to save his life as a frosh but was pretty good as an upper classman.

should have read your before posting

 

[Wolegib]

unlike football, very few basketball players ever redshirt to begin with unless an injury is involved. I doubt anybody redshirts.

Haarms was placed in a situation last year because of his high school eligibility ruling to either redshirt or lose a year of college eligibility.

 

[FirstDownB]

Sasha. There are plenty of guys on the team who can do what he can, and he will be much better at age 22 than age 18.

 

[samcboiler]

I hate saying that anyone should redshirt because if I were good enough to play at a school like Purdue, I know I'd want to play or have my shot if needed.

I would say both Wheeler and Sasha should redshirt this year, and not because they aren't good enough to play, but more because I see their minutes as a waste of a year.

Hindsight is 20/20 and I did not want Cline to redshirt as a freshman, but looking back I wish he did. Would we have lost that Florida game... probably. But he didn't get a lot of time, and he'd be a soph this year. He played well last year, and so far this year is shooting very well and starting to be more of a threat with the ball which again makes him a better 3 point threat with defense having to sag to watch his drive.

We have a ton of shooters this year - PJ, Dakota, Ryan, Vince, and Carsen are all going to get their shots and a lot of playing time. We haven't seen Haarms on the court for real yet, but a 7'3" forward is hard to sit, especially if he can move well and shot the three to draw out defenders. Add in JT and obviously Haas, and their isn't a lot of front court time either.

Anyway, I love the athleticism and shooting I have seen from Aaron and Sasha, but I'd love to see how good they could be as 5th year seniors even more.

Great post. I'd even consider redshirting Haarms. Cline's first year was wasted, IMO. With 4 seniors and Taylor looking like the real deal, the young guys will get little to no PT. If you have to play them due to injury, then un redshirt them when needed. And the one saying that Sasha is not going to get better with an extra year, just look at Dakota, who has improved each year.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Great post. I'd even consider redshirting Haarms. Cline's first year was wasted, IMO. With 4 seniors and Taylor looking like the real deal, the young guys will get little to no PT. If you have to play them due to injury, then un redshirt them when needed. And the one saying that Sasha is not going to get better with an extra year, just look at Dakota, who has improved each year.

I believe that Haarms used up his redshirt when he enrolled last spring. I recall hearing that the eligibility clock was starting last year, regardless, so he enrolled early and burnt the redshirt.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

If Sasha keeps shooting 3's like he has been in the medal round, one would be foolish to redshirt him! If he proves it against better competition my question would be why?

Because freshman will generally be weaker on D than juniors and seniors ahead of him and thus see little PT....like Smith who couldn't play D to save his life as a frosh but was pretty good as an upper classman.

D1 basketball is a shooting 3 game now, "IF' he proves he can continue to do that against the top teams in the WUG I contend we would be foolish not to use him!

 

[punaj]

D1 basketball is a shooting 3 game now, "IF' he proves he can continue to do that against the top teams in the WUG I contend we would be foolish not to use him!

First close game tonight. Played 3:13 and was 0/1. Just one game, so we will see.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

D1 basketball is a shooting 3 game now, "IF' he proves he can continue to do that against the top teams in the WUG I contend we would be foolish not to use him!

First close game tonight. Played 3:13 and was 0/1. Just one game, so we will see.

And two other Frosh played zero minutes so what does that tell you who he trusts in right now...time will tell if and who they decide will redshirt!

 

[punaj]

And two other Frosh played zero minutes so what does that tell you who he trusts in right now...time will tell if and who they decide will redshirt!

The two that didn't play are Wheeler and Ewing, the two folks others think should redshirt this year. For the exact reason I said, not enough PT for this talented team. I don't think Ewing should shirt since he is a Jr (not a freshman). If you are a juco transfer, you should be ready to play, imo.