Not convinced on Morton after I heard about his injury and him being out for the scrimmage and their trip they took. I'd almost give Waddell the nod right now. He did look good and I think surprised a lot of people at the scrimmage.
I really think Heide will get some minutes. Painter definitely has his hands full with dividing up time, but he's too talented to ride the bench.
I’m not convinced with Morton either…I wouldn’t have him play more than 5 mins. But CMP seems to not be able to quit him…but maybe he will this year? (Doubtful)
Heide should play the 4...he's not quick enough/efficient enough to play the 3....we need better shooting at the 4 and heide could provide that with edey at the 5....I like Waddell to play a lot at the 3, but I think we'll see jones and Colvin get time there too....Morton and either furst or Gillis will be the odd men out....we usually play 9 players in our rotation so I'm guessing 2 other players besides Berg will get their minutes squeezed....
I have a hard time imagining a healthy Gillis being out of the rotation this season.
I think we're all going to have a hard time imagining what is going to shake out in January. PLUS, will we go essentially injury-free this year?
He may be odd man out. Undersized 4 man and too slow to guard the 3. I love Gillis but he may see his minutes reduced
Might be wrong but I don’t see Heide getting any time at the 4. I think you have Furst, Gillis and TKR at the 4, that’s a pretty crowded room and Paint talking up playing TKR there because he deserves more minutes. Both TKR and Furst will likely get some time at the 5 as well. I think most of the minutes at the 3 go to Waddell and Heide. The 2 Loyer and Colvin. The 1 Smith and Jones, with Jones covering spot minutes at the 2 & even 3. That leaves Morton. I would use him a spot sub at spots 1-3 and not part of any kind of complete rotation substitution. Does Berg show well enough to garner any time 🤷🏼♂️?
But then you have no back up pg and no fresh legs if other teams are pressuring.
I agree with all this. However, I’m not sure I have seen whole units getting subbed in by painter…?
Horse Hockey. He's been undersized for 3 years now.
Sure. But we have better players this year. TKR has taken a jump at the 4, Heide is more athletic for the 3 and I’d I’d say Furst and gilly are a wash. Not saying he won’t play but his minutes may diminish as the year goes on
Tkr won't play much 4 against good teams with athleticism....I think he's good around the bucket but won't do much underneath with edey there....not fast enough to guard most 4s and switch onto guards...he'll end up playing backup 5 to Zach mostly....he'll be the best backup 5 in the country this year...heide is a good shooter, he'll play 4 with edey along with Gillis...furst will see his minutes squeezed....he's not a bad player but just doesn't fit well with edey with his reluctance to shoot...it's all about the best fit with edey on the court....
To quote a famous movie...deserves got nothing to do with it....I love tkr but he's not a good fit with edey....starting lineup will be smith, loyer/Jones, Waddell/jones/Colvin, Gillis/heide, edey/tkr....those guys will play the most minutes, Painter plays 9 players at most and unfortunately Berg, Morton, and furst will be the odd men out....mostly because of their lack of shooting....
Tkr has gotten a lot better...he's a force on the block....with edey out he was the go to guy...but he isn't fast and with edey we don't need another low post scorer, we need shooters...remember it's all about fit around edey, even Painter says as much...tkr just isn't a good perimeter player, inconsistent shooter and just not fast enough to switch on to guards on defense...
So, he’s not going to see many minutes then? Since Zach will play close to 30 a night
Against athletic teams...no...he will back up Zach....Against slower teams or teams that play big, he'll play more....
TKR has taken a jump. Remains to be seen how and at what position that plays out. He may be the scoring 6th man we've been dying for. Furst may play with him. Gillis isn't a consideration for 3 and is a senior that's been an important part of this team for 4 years. he isn't getting parked on the bench.
I don’t think they’re saying Berg is not good. I think it’s more, Berg will see limited minutes with the roster we have currently. I think Berg shows promise, and I’m excited about him being able to shoot 8 ft+ shots (and he was taking 3s during the scrimmage warmup). Pending injuries (hopefully none!), he probably will see minimal court time this year. Hopefully, he will break the CMP 7 footer tradition and actually be able to take outside shots when he sees more action in the future !
Berg has got potential....but we've got Zach and tkr and furst....he isn't to their level yet....our frontcourt is so good and deep that we're already shortchanging a couple guys minutes that would start on most teams....
Trey is strictly a 4, at least as of right now. Painter has no intention to play Trey at the 5. Caleb will play the 5 when Zach is out. Agree that Trey’s minutes are likely to be reduced if there is a cover at the 4 that he has trouble with.
Ah, the classic ‘anything is better than what we have now outlook’. What could go wrong with that? 😀
Well what’s worse than losing to a 16 (well practically 17) seed as a 1 seed? Not making the tournament I guess? 🙃
I do think Trey is quicker, but I think his playing time at the 4 is dependent on his D and mostly D on the ball. Not seeing these players I have no informed opinion. I think Myles may be more natural at the 3, but can play some two "mostly" as well. If you keep him at a 2 you can have 80 minutes between Braden, Lance, Fletcher and Myles and it won't be split with each getting 20 minutes, but if these play the 1&2 all will get good minutes. That also frees up one less body at the 3 spot where I assume Brian, Ethan and Cam get looks assuming Mason's game is still not quite a 3. Cam is the one I don't have a feel for...can he handle the ball well enough to slide into a 3 as well as shoot it from the perimeter. I believe Brian could be a better fit at the 3 and if not better can play the 3...I just know so little on Cam with very limited viewings. Could Cam pick up a few minutes at the 4 with Mason, Trey, and Caleb? Four people at the 4 may be the toughest decision??? Does Trey get major minutes at the four and what about the five. Is Trey out on the 5 and Caleb and/or Berg get 10 to 15 minutes a game at the five? Not seeing these players much it is all guesswork for me outside of Braden and Zach in how the pieces all go together. All we know is Purdue has a 1 and 5 pretty much penciled in at the start of practice.
Here is a thought. If a team is a pressing team outside of urgency play or quick 1 or 2 times a half that team has recruited athletic players. Some press is their go to press. No doubt that team that presses faces similar athletic teams that press and have an ability to play without a press as well. When the assistant coach on the opponents’ side sees a transition team coming in, the opponents coach may back off the press and play that team straight up and then come back with a press after a few possessions. However, it works out I think Purdue is in much better shape relative to transition just due Brian, Myles and Cam being available.
Why do you think that Tre is only a 4? He played the 5 almost exclusively last year and he started at the 5 in Europe. And for those that didn't watch TKR's game was nearly the same in Europe as it was last year.
I disagree with you on his game was the same as last year. Last year, he was uncoordinated…his body wasn’t doing what his mind was telling it to do. He basically wasn’t used to the speed of the game. In the scrimmage and in Europe, he did things he didn’t do at all last year. He brought the ball up full court after rebounds or after an inbound pass (did not do that last year). He was more composed and able to finish better around the rim than he did the previous year. He also was able to dribble from the top of the key pivot around the block, make a few fakes and then score. The game looks like it’s slowing down a bit for him and IMO if he only plays 10-15 min behind Zach and doesn’t play the 4 next to him, we are wasting his talent and I’d be afraid he’d leave elsewhere out of frustration for playing time.
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