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Whiniest coach in the BIG10?

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Another post about how refs call a game and the influence the home court and the coach barking at them has on foul calls spurred this question.

Who is the whiniest coach in the BIG10? What is your top 3-5? This conference has some world class whiners no doubt, with Matta and Crean up there, but my vote for whiniest goes to Izzo. I'd put Painter in the bottom quartile.

Whining in the contexts also means general yapping at the refs, not just the near crying look the likes of Izzo have mastered.

Where would rank Mean Gene and RMK on the list?
 
We have a great crop of candidates to choose from. Matta, Groce, Izzo, Fran and Crean
I would pick Izzo as the worst. I really wish the NCAA would get some cohones and implement some common sense rules that would sit these people down and make them shut up most of the time.
 
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Geno and Bob were barkers but never could be called whiny.

Agree....

Here's an informal list with a twist....off the top of my head....

call it "official intimidation" list.....best to weakest (as to effectiveness) for some of the more high-profile coaches (past and present and TMHR)......conference games only, JMHO:

Bob Knight
Bo Ryan
Gene Keady/Tom Izzo/Jud Heathcoate
Lute Olsen/Thad Matta
Lou Henson//Bill Self
Clem Haskins/Lon Kruger/George Raveling/Randy Ayers
Matt Painter/John Beilein/Dr. Tom Davis/Bill Frieder
Fran McCaffery/Tom Crean
 

No way, man. Step outside......

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Agree....

Here's an informal list with a twist....off the top of my head....

call it "official intimidation" list.....best to weakest (as to effectiveness) for some of the more high-profile coaches (past and present and TMHR)......conference games only, JMHO:

Bob Knight
Bo Ryan
Gene Keady/Tom Izzo/Jud Heathcoate
Lute Olsen/Thad Matta
Lou Henson//Bill Self
Clem Haskins/Lon Kruger/George Raveling/Randy Ayers
Matt Painter/John Beilein/Dr. Tom Davis/Bill Frieder
Fran McCaffery/Tom Crean

Lot of good old names on that list............
I used to like Raveling's style.....
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No surprise vote from me: Izzo, and it's not close. Whines from the opening tip. Unfortunately, it works just like it did for RMK. I mention RMK because Izzo not only whines he barks and cusses at refs regularly and gets away with it.
 
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No surprise vote from me: Izzo, and it's not close. Whines from the opening tip. Unfortunately, it works just like it did for RMK. I mention RMK because Izzo not only whines he barks and cusses at refs regularly and gets away with it.
Izzo swears like a drunken sailor. Lip reading is VERY easy with him (mouth the size of a basketball). Yet he is somehow the picture of pure white virtue with the media.....
 
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Lot of good old names on that list............
I used to like Raveling's style.....
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Raveling running after an official in Crisler Arena at the conclusion of a January 19th, 1985 game between Michigan and Iowa (when Robert Henderson of Michigan either pushed off or held Gerry Wright of Iowa, allowing Roy Tarpley to put back a game-winning shot at the buzzer was a classic B1G hoops moment.
 
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Note that he threatened and bumped the ref -refs should use their "power" If they would give technicals and/or expulsions the problems would diminish (as they did here). I am grateful that Painter does not do this. I thought his handling of too many wrong calls against Haas was handled in the right way. In terms of "working" the refs Fran 1st and Matta 2nd. In terms of whining Izzo wins!
 
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Another post about how refs call a game and the influence the home court and the coach barking at them has on foul calls spurred this question.

Who is the whiniest coach in the BIG10? What is your top 3-5? This conference has some world class whiners no doubt, with Matta and Crean up there, but my vote for whiniest goes to Izzo. I'd put Painter in the bottom quartile.

Whining in the contexts also means general yapping at the refs, not just the near crying look the likes of Izzo have mastered.

Where would rank Mean Gene and RMK on the list?

Izzo, Izzo and hmmmm....Izzo!!! Waaaaaah!
 
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Crean, for all of his personality...ahem..."quirks", is not very whiny at all.
Thomas Bryant? Yes!

You guys have forgotten the young grand-master of whining exuberance:
Little Ricky
He constantly looks like even the simplest of calls against the Gophers is a personal and extraordinary affront.
 
Crean, for all of his personality...ahem..."quirks", is not very whiny at all.
Thomas Bryant? Yes!

You guys have forgotten the young grand-master of whining exuberance:
Little Ricky
He constantly looks like even the simplest of calls against the Gophers is a personal and extraordinary affront.
Oh give me a break. Crean whines. He's not the worst but he is significantly more whiney than a lot of the others. Certainly Izzo is the worst. Matta, Fran, but Crean is in the next group.
 
Fran just put on another display at the end of the game tonight. What a tool.

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It was a good back-and-forth game but Trimble basically iced it with his FT's. Like Purdue, Iowa doesn't really have any shot-blockers this season so their defense does not provide enough resistance on drives or catches at the rim.
 
Fran for sure. He is voted most likely to have a chair throwing incident in the future. Unless all the chairs are bolted together now since Bob Knight - not sure. But Fran definitely is the most likely to lose it in the future! He needs to chill some.
 
Fran for sure. He is voted most likely to have a chair throwing incident in the future. Unless all the chairs are bolted together now since Bob Knight - not sure. But Fran definitely is the most likely to lose it in the future! He needs to chill some.

He's been working on that for a while....not quite the long distance form, method, and toss of Knight, though....but more short-range power for a slam.

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Another post about how refs call a game and the influence the home court and the coach barking at them has on foul calls spurred this question.

Who is the whiniest coach in the BIG10? What is your top 3-5? This conference has some world class whiners no doubt, with Matta and Crean up there, but my vote for whiniest goes to Izzo. I'd put Painter in the bottom quartile.

Whining in the contexts also means general yapping at the refs, not just the near crying look the likes of Izzo have mastered.

Where would rank Mean Gene and RMK on the list?

1. Izzo
2. Crean
3. Matta
4. Fran
5. Groce (but I didn't see it our last game)

plus, Matta and Fran could easily trade places on different nights.
 
This might be getting into semantics, but I think complaining and whining are different things. Complaining could easily be construed positively (i.e. "working the refs" that so many people clamor for) or negatively (disagreeing staunchly with ever call rather than having any element of perceived strategy to it).

As an example, I don't think Fran is whiny. I think he's a complete asshole with a serious anger management issue that his doctors have likely been telling him is going to cause his heart to blow up sooner than it otherwise would, but that's just me guessing. He's kind of in a league of his own, so I'm going to set him aside for the moment.

Crean is probably your typical whiner. To his credit, you don't regularly see him in a ref's face screaming or shouting obscenities. He's more passive in his approach, but with that "naggy" kind of flavor to it. I don't think he's the whinest coach in the country necessarily, but I suspect refs are just as annoyed by this guy as they are a coach who's barking in their face way more often.

Conversely, Bo Ryan was a complainer through and through. He's the aforementioned bark-in-your-face-constantly type; the refs never made a correct call again his teams. He was effective at getting some calls at times, but the results he got doesn't change my view of the way in which he got them - constant complaining, albeit it in a less rabid manner than Fran goes about it.

Izzo on the other hand - to me - strikes a nice balance between complaining and whining, at least in the perception of it. Yes, he complains. Yes he whines. But I think he does it with a sense of humor at times, an occasional smile, that type of stuff. I don't know whether any of that is genuine or not, but the perception that he's able to pull off reasonably well is one of a guy that doesn't take himself too seriously, a guy that says his piece (even aggressively at times) but then moves on, etc.

* Before anyone mistakes me on account of my username: No, I'm NOT an MSU fan...
 
This might be getting into semantics, but I think complaining and whining are different things. Complaining could easily be construed positively (i.e. "working the refs" that so many people clamor for) or negatively (disagreeing staunchly with ever call rather than having any element of perceived strategy to it).

As an example, I don't think Fran is whiny. I think he's a complete asshole with a serious anger management issue that his doctors have likely been telling him is going to cause his heart to blow up sooner than it otherwise would, but that's just me guessing. He's kind of in a league of his own, so I'm going to set him aside for the moment.

Crean is probably your typical whiner. To his credit, you don't regularly see him in a ref's face screaming or shouting obscenities. He's more passive in his approach, but with that "naggy" kind of flavor to it. I don't think he's the whinest coach in the country necessarily, but I suspect refs are just as annoyed by this guy as they are a coach who's barking in their face way more often.

Conversely, Bo Ryan was a complainer through and through. He's the aforementioned bark-in-your-face-constantly type; the refs never made a correct call again his teams. He was effective at getting some calls at times, but the results he got doesn't change my view of the way in which he got them - constant complaining, albeit it in a less rabid manner than Fran goes about it.

Izzo on the other hand - to me - strikes a nice balance between complaining and whining, at least in the perception of it. Yes, he complains. Yes he whines. But I think he does it with a sense of humor at times, an occasional smile, that type of stuff. I don't know whether any of that is genuine or not, but the perception that he's able to pull off reasonably well is one of a guy that doesn't take himself too seriously, a guy that says his piece (even aggressively at times) but then moves on, etc.

* Before anyone mistakes me on account of my username: No, I'm NOT an MSU fan...
Bullshit. Crean whines like his family was just loaded on a train to a concentration camp.
 
Thomas Bryant must have learned from Eric Anderson, and (unfortunately) Brad Miller. I used to hate watching Miller whine all the time.
 
Well all doubt will be erased tonight as we see the ultimate whiner in action. The whiny Whizzo.
 
Note that he threatened and bumped the ref -refs should use their "power" If they would give technicals and/or expulsions the problems would diminish (as they did here). I am grateful that Painter does not do this. I thought his handling of too many wrong calls against Haas was handled in the right way. In terms of "working" the refs Fran 1st and Matta 2nd. In terms of whining Izzo wins!


i agree that the refs could stop this if they would call some t's. give the cry babies something to whine about
 
Another post about how refs call a game and the influence the home court and the coach barking at them has on foul calls spurred this question.

Who is the whiniest coach in the BIG10? What is your top 3-5? This conference has some world class whiners no doubt, with Matta and Crean up there, but my vote for whiniest goes to Izzo. I'd put Painter in the bottom quartile.

Whining in the contexts also means general yapping at the refs, not just the near crying look the likes of Izzo have mastered.

Where would rank Mean Gene and RMK on the list?[/QUOTE

Keady and Knight didn't whine....they worked the officials. Izzo does the same, but he whines too. Crean is a crybaby....always crying about something. Matta...somewhat. Groce...whiner. But ol' pink panties Francis at Iowa...now there's a professional whiner. Every game, the entire game.....he'll whine if his gum gets stale.
 
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