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This game to me, has the potential to be either really ugly, or Purdue COULD surprise people and keep it close. Put it this way, I think there are coaches out there who could have Purdue in a decent position late based on the personnel I've seen, and their execution of some flawed coaching ideas.

1. Playing the right chess match. Anatoly Karpov used to seek to make small gains on each move and play for the better endgame. Garry Kasparov would take the better end game, but his style was to blow the game wide open in the middle game. We better play the former, not the latter. While Purdue needs to stay in control, you win against schools like Va Tech, Wisconsin (thinking back to 2000-2003, I can't believe I'm saying that, but whatever) etc. by executing and avoiding mistakes, but attempting to take a shot at the throat. If Purdue is getting surprise 10 yard gains by busting a run where they catch Va Tech and hitting a few passes where Va Tech doesn't think Purdue can hit them, that's a good sign. If you see Appleby and Jones locked together in a prolonged read, that's a bad sign.

2. To that end, you can't compress the middle of the field. What Shoop thinks he does is stretch the field horizontally. What he does can be observed on the first play v. Indiana State. They line up in a three receiver set where the three receivers are spaced wide enough. Then, right before the play, the receiver to the left and slot receiver motion and set up behind the tackles. Well, for one, if you try that run that Purdue tried, have fun when Virginia Tech knocks you into next week. However, the better question is, what if you pass out of that lineup!? You're expecting Appleby to get through reads and get a quick, accurate pass to an open receiver when only one receiver is in position to threaten the back corner of the defense? The defense, in an alignment like this, will compress to the middle. They'll cheat to the middle knowing that the deep pass threat has been cut by 33%. It's a lineup I've seen work for one team (not saying there haven't been others). So, sweet, just go get a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits and Vince Young, basically the team that beat USC in the Rose Bowl, and then that formation is probably fine.

Purdue needs to prove that they can get a 4-5 yard run running Jones or Knox straight up, with much less read option, and then the receivers must space the field and try to work someone open. Their best shot is probably to drive Va Tech's talented corners up field and try to either get a pass coming back or work someone open underneath, but not too far underneath. Against Va Tech, you're always hoping if you stay disciplined yet aggressive, you can catch them losing contain.

3. Appleby! While I'm critical of Shoop, I'm not an absolutist. Appleby has the Cutler issue. Their are generally four things that can doom a physically able passer. a) Lack of preparation (Jeff George), b) Billy the Kid issues/"I CAN throw to Muhsin Muhammad when Hayden clearly didn't bite on the double move" (Rex Grossman), c) getting through reads too slow and getting pummeled instead of hitting your 4th read open (Jay Cutler) and d) accuracy (a LOT of people). Appleby struggles with d, but his real struggle has been c. He must get through his reads quickly. This presumes that Shoop has receivers where they're supposed to be to create an opening, and not where he feels like putting them cause it's a really fun idea. If receivers are where any jamoke would put them with a QB with AA's arm, then there are two bad signs. If he holds the ball and then makes a mistake late, it means he had time to get to his 4th read, but he only could process 2 reads in that tme and therefore panicked and blew it. OR he only gets through 2 reads in that time and gets popped in the face.

4. Virginia Tech's new QB. It's never good to have a QB in there who wasn't the guy who got all of your reps as camp winded down and into the first week. I'm sure Brenden Motley is a talented kid. But you're just hoping their timing is off or there are some bumps in the road. You're hoping if Purdue gets after it and executes, Va Tech hits some speed bumps and is around 17 points in the 4th, so that if you've played a good game in all 3 phases, maybe you get to 21.

If Purdue is going 3 and out, turning the ball over and blowing executions on defense, it won't matter. However, if they have a well timed game and there is pressure on Motley, that could be their opening.

5. Where Purdue chooses to make Virginia Tech beat them. Do they do the wise thing and say to Va Tech, as Marshall said to Purdue... "SHOW US that you can beat us with a pass deep over the top. If you show us, fine. But we'll take the space away underneath and make you beat us deep one on one." It turns out, they got beat deep once, and more than made up for it by taking underneath space away from Purdue all game.

Mark my words. If Purdue chooses to take away the deep corner with TOO MANY DEFENDERS, out of this weird belief that you can get beat underneath all day, and that's better than the embarrassment of that one big play that ends up on Sportscenter... it's going to be a LONG DAY.

However, if Purdue doesn't leave an area the size of the Virginia's open smack in the middle of the field and makes Virginia Tech beat them one on one, well, that's a good sign. It shows you actually believe in those corners that are so touted.

6. Knox and Jones. If Purdue goes to a straight spread, 3 WR look and actually just hands off, those two are going to have to runs that Virginia Tech can easily make into 0-2 yard runs into 2-4 yard runs.

7. One receiver needs to be a complete receiver. We need one guy to prove that he can not only eek out a deep pass or two, but also at the same time be a threat to be an easy outlet for Appleby.

My prediction: I HOPE I'm wrong and that the coaching staff figures it out and the Boilers work out the rest of my list.

Virginia Tech 33
Purdue 16

With more questions than answers. And if Purdue has a perfect storm, this game could easily be worse.
 
This game to me, has the potential to be either really ugly, or Purdue COULD surprise people and keep it close. Put it this way, I think there are coaches out there who could have Purdue in a decent position late based on the personnel I've seen, and their execution of some flawed coaching ideas.

1. Playing the right chess match. Anatoly Karpov used to seek to make small gains on each move and play for the better endgame. Garry Kasparov would take the better end game, but his style was to blow the game wide open in the middle game. We better play the former, not the latter. While Purdue needs to stay in control, you win against schools like Va Tech, Wisconsin (thinking back to 2000-2003, I can't believe I'm saying that, but whatever) etc. by executing and avoiding mistakes, but attempting to take a shot at the throat. If Purdue is getting surprise 10 yard gains by busting a run where they catch Va Tech and hitting a few passes where Va Tech doesn't think Purdue can hit them, that's a good sign. If you see Appleby and Jones locked together in a prolonged read, that's a bad sign.

2. To that end, you can't compress the middle of the field. What Shoop thinks he does is stretch the field horizontally. What he does can be observed on the first play v. Indiana State. They line up in a three receiver set where the three receivers are spaced wide enough. Then, right before the play, the receiver to the left and slot receiver motion and set up behind the tackles. Well, for one, if you try that run that Purdue tried, have fun when Virginia Tech knocks you into next week. However, the better question is, what if you pass out of that lineup!? You're expecting Appleby to get through reads and get a quick, accurate pass to an open receiver when only one receiver is in position to threaten the back corner of the defense? The defense, in an alignment like this, will compress to the middle. They'll cheat to the middle knowing that the deep pass threat has been cut by 33%. It's a lineup I've seen work for one team (not saying there haven't been others). So, sweet, just go get a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits and Vince Young, basically the team that beat USC in the Rose Bowl, and then that formation is probably fine.

Purdue needs to prove that they can get a 4-5 yard run running Jones or Knox straight up, with much less read option, and then the receivers must space the field and try to work someone open. Their best shot is probably to drive Va Tech's talented corners up field and try to either get a pass coming back or work someone open underneath, but not too far underneath. Against Va Tech, you're always hoping if you stay disciplined yet aggressive, you can catch them losing contain.

3. Appleby! While I'm critical of Shoop, I'm not an absolutist. Appleby has the Cutler issue. Their are generally four things that can doom a physically able passer. a) Lack of preparation (Jeff George), b) Billy the Kid issues/"I CAN throw to Muhsin Muhammad when Hayden clearly didn't bite on the double move" (Rex Grossman), c) getting through reads too slow and getting pummeled instead of hitting your 4th read open (Jay Cutler) and d) accuracy (a LOT of people). Appleby struggles with d, but his real struggle has been c. He must get through his reads quickly. This presumes that Shoop has receivers where they're supposed to be to create an opening, and not where he feels like putting them cause it's a really fun idea. If receivers are where any jamoke would put them with a QB with AA's arm, then there are two bad signs. If he holds the ball and then makes a mistake late, it means he had time to get to his 4th read, but he only could process 2 reads in that tme and therefore panicked and blew it. OR he only gets through 2 reads in that time and gets popped in the face.

4. Virginia Tech's new QB. It's never good to have a QB in there who wasn't the guy who got all of your reps as camp winded down and into the first week. I'm sure Brenden Motley is a talented kid. But you're just hoping their timing is off or there are some bumps in the road. You're hoping if Purdue gets after it and executes, Va Tech hits some speed bumps and is around 17 points in the 4th, so that if you've played a good game in all 3 phases, maybe you get to 21.

If Purdue is going 3 and out, turning the ball over and blowing executions on defense, it won't matter. However, if they have a well timed game and there is pressure on Motley, that could be their opening.

5. Where Purdue chooses to make Virginia Tech beat them. Do they do the wise thing and say to Va Tech, as Marshall said to Purdue... "SHOW US that you can beat us with a pass deep over the top. If you show us, fine. But we'll take the space away underneath and make you beat us deep one on one." It turns out, they got beat deep once, and more than made up for it by taking underneath space away from Purdue all game.

Mark my words. If Purdue chooses to take away the deep corner with TOO MANY DEFENDERS, out of this weird belief that you can get beat underneath all day, and that's better than the embarrassment of that one big play that ends up on Sportscenter... it's going to be a LONG DAY.

However, if Purdue doesn't leave an area the size of the Virginia's open smack in the middle of the field and makes Virginia Tech beat them one on one, well, that's a good sign. It shows you actually believe in those corners that are so touted.

6. Knox and Jones. If Purdue goes to a straight spread, 3 WR look and actually just hands off, those two are going to have to runs that Virginia Tech can easily make into 0-2 yard runs into 2-4 yard runs.

7. One receiver needs to be a complete receiver. We need one guy to prove that he can not only eek out a deep pass or two, but also at the same time be a threat to be an easy outlet for Appleby.

My prediction: I HOPE I'm wrong and that the coaching staff figures it out and the Boilers work out the rest of my list.

Virginia Tech 33
Purdue 16

With more questions than answers. And if Purdue has a perfect storm, this game could easily be worse.
WOW! I hope you are wrong. If we give up 33 to VT, how much will BG put up against us? My "GUT" feeling is the curse is lifted this week(The Orton fumble)!!!!!!! We actually run the 2 minute drill to perfection and score with six seconds left on the clock to pull out a 24-20 win! This becomes the pivotal game that we build on to have the 6-6 record I predicted. We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo over due to play a complete game and finish for once!!!!!!!.............on the other hand, if you are correct and VT blows us out, we will be lucky to find 2 more wins to equal last seasons production................
 
I just hope the defense plays to win if its a close game at the end, instead of laying back like the Marshall game on the last drive
 
I just hope the defense plays to win if its a close game at the end, instead of laying back like the Marshall game on the last drive
WOW! I hope you are wrong. If we give up 33 to VT, how much will BG put up against us? My "GUT" feeling is the curse is lifted this week(The Orton fumble)!!!!!!! We actually run the 2 minute drill to perfection and score with six seconds left on the clock to pull out a 24-20 win! This becomes the pivotal game that we build on to have the 6-6 record I predicted. We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo over due to play a complete game and finish for once!!!!!!!.............on the other hand, if you are correct and VT blows us out, we will be lucky to find 2 more wins to equal last seasons production................

My prediction is strictly if we haven't fixed the Marshall issues
 
Bud Foster is going to take away the run and dare AA to beat us with his arm. The biggest question is can he make better decisions under fire. When the shit hits the fan, he panics.
 
This game to me, has the potential to be either really ugly, or Purdue COULD surprise people and keep it close. Put it this way, I think there are coaches out there who could have Purdue in a decent position late based on the personnel I've seen, and their execution of some flawed coaching ideas.

1. Playing the right chess match. Anatoly Karpov used to seek to make small gains on each move and play for the better endgame. Garry Kasparov would take the better end game, but his style was to blow the game wide open in the middle game. We better play the former, not the latter. While Purdue needs to stay in control, you win against schools like Va Tech, Wisconsin (thinking back to 2000-2003, I can't believe I'm saying that, but whatever) etc. by executing and avoiding mistakes, but attempting to take a shot at the throat. If Purdue is getting surprise 10 yard gains by busting a run where they catch Va Tech and hitting a few passes where Va Tech doesn't think Purdue can hit them, that's a good sign. If you see Appleby and Jones locked together in a prolonged read, that's a bad sign.

2. To that end, you can't compress the middle of the field. What Shoop thinks he does is stretch the field horizontally. What he does can be observed on the first play v. Indiana State. They line up in a three receiver set where the three receivers are spaced wide enough. Then, right before the play, the receiver to the left and slot receiver motion and set up behind the tackles. Well, for one, if you try that run that Purdue tried, have fun when Virginia Tech knocks you into next week. However, the better question is, what if you pass out of that lineup!? You're expecting Appleby to get through reads and get a quick, accurate pass to an open receiver when only one receiver is in position to threaten the back corner of the defense? The defense, in an alignment like this, will compress to the middle. They'll cheat to the middle knowing that the deep pass threat has been cut by 33%. It's a lineup I've seen work for one team (not saying there haven't been others). So, sweet, just go get a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits and Vince Young, basically the team that beat USC in the Rose Bowl, and then that formation is probably fine.

Purdue needs to prove that they can get a 4-5 yard run running Jones or Knox straight up, with much less read option, and then the receivers must space the field and try to work someone open. Their best shot is probably to drive Va Tech's talented corners up field and try to either get a pass coming back or work someone open underneath, but not too far underneath. Against Va Tech, you're always hoping if you stay disciplined yet aggressive, you can catch them losing contain.

3. Appleby! While I'm critical of Shoop, I'm not an absolutist. Appleby has the Cutler issue. Their are generally four things that can doom a physically able passer. a) Lack of preparation (Jeff George), b) Billy the Kid issues/"I CAN throw to Muhsin Muhammad when Hayden clearly didn't bite on the double move" (Rex Grossman), c) getting through reads too slow and getting pummeled instead of hitting your 4th read open (Jay Cutler) and d) accuracy (a LOT of people). Appleby struggles with d, but his real struggle has been c. He must get through his reads quickly. This presumes that Shoop has receivers where they're supposed to be to create an opening, and not where he feels like putting them cause it's a really fun idea. If receivers are where any jamoke would put them with a QB with AA's arm, then there are two bad signs. If he holds the ball and then makes a mistake late, it means he had time to get to his 4th read, but he only could process 2 reads in that tme and therefore panicked and blew it. OR he only gets through 2 reads in that time and gets popped in the face.

4. Virginia Tech's new QB. It's never good to have a QB in there who wasn't the guy who got all of your reps as camp winded down and into the first week. I'm sure Brenden Motley is a talented kid. But you're just hoping their timing is off or there are some bumps in the road. You're hoping if Purdue gets after it and executes, Va Tech hits some speed bumps and is around 17 points in the 4th, so that if you've played a good game in all 3 phases, maybe you get to 21.

If Purdue is going 3 and out, turning the ball over and blowing executions on defense, it won't matter. However, if they have a well timed game and there is pressure on Motley, that could be their opening.

5. Where Purdue chooses to make Virginia Tech beat them. Do they do the wise thing and say to Va Tech, as Marshall said to Purdue... "SHOW US that you can beat us with a pass deep over the top. If you show us, fine. But we'll take the space away underneath and make you beat us deep one on one." It turns out, they got beat deep once, and more than made up for it by taking underneath space away from Purdue all game.

Mark my words. If Purdue chooses to take away the deep corner with TOO MANY DEFENDERS, out of this weird belief that you can get beat underneath all day, and that's better than the embarrassment of that one big play that ends up on Sportscenter... it's going to be a LONG DAY.

However, if Purdue doesn't leave an area the size of the Virginia's open smack in the middle of the field and makes Virginia Tech beat them one on one, well, that's a good sign. It shows you actually believe in those corners that are so touted.

6. Knox and Jones. If Purdue goes to a straight spread, 3 WR look and actually just hands off, those two are going to have to runs that Virginia Tech can easily make into 0-2 yard runs into 2-4 yard runs.

7. One receiver needs to be a complete receiver. We need one guy to prove that he can not only eek out a deep pass or two, but also at the same time be a threat to be an easy outlet for Appleby.

My prediction: I HOPE I'm wrong and that the coaching staff figures it out and the Boilers work out the rest of my list.

Virginia Tech 33
Purdue 16

With more questions than answers. And if Purdue has a perfect storm, this game could easily be worse.
Excellent analysis....very insightful with a lot of strategic smarts...I can't take issue with your analysis, but I am hopeful for a win based upon the steady improvement AA has shown in his first two games. I agree he needs to be quicker going through his progressions but that directly correlates with game experience. My hope, and, yes, belief, is that AA will show continued improvement and will get through his reads and is able to look-off defenders...If he does, we win! Norm
 
I'll stick with old coaching axioms of who wins line play, who has fewer turnovers and who wins the field position game wins the ball game!
 
Bud Foster is going to take away the run and dare AA to beat us with his arm. The biggest question is can he make better decisions under fire. When the shit hits the fan, he panics.

I'd like to see you, I or anybody in here with AAs physical tools not struggling with reads when your own OC takes receivers away in the name of "stretching the defense" even though the defense just stays where they are on motions anyway
 
I'd like to see you, I or anybody in here with AAs physical tools not struggling with reads when your own OC takes receivers away in the name of "stretching the defense" even though the defense just stays where they are on motions anyway

Dont cloud the issue with Shoop blame. If the pocket collapses he panics and either makes a really poor decision or sails the throw. Thats what led to at least one of the INTs against Marshall.

Im not sure what his physical tools have to do with his ability to not throw into double coverage when under duress.
 
I'll stick with old coaching axioms of who wins line play, who has fewer turnovers and who wins the field position game wins the ball game!

Yeah but what dictates that. If you line up in alignments that don't fit your talent you could allow the defensive line to pin their ears back with no fear
 
Dont cloud the issue with Shoop blame. If the pocket collapses he panics and either makes a really poor decision or sails the throw. Thats what led to at least one of the INTs against Marshall.

Im not sure what his physical tools have to do with his ability to not throw into double coverage when under duress.

But they are directly related. Put no stress on the defense, allow them optimal speed and reduce one receiver and it's going to make a QB do a lot more for the same result.

If Shoop doesn't alter the way he does things, what will be enough for you? Four QBs with one common denominator? Five? What's the magic number?
 
I don't disagree that shoop is a terrible qb coach, but again, your not addressing the decision under fire issue. Limiting the options doesn't excuse a poor choice
 
Yeah but what dictates that. If you line up in alignments that don't fit your talent you could allow the defensive line to pin their ears back with no fear
So a good coach makes that adjustment or allows the QB to audible out of a bad play if he sees the wrong defensive formation....heck even an above average HS team has two plays called or as many are doing.... a check with me at the line, look to your sideline and gets a different play, if necessary!
 
I don't disagree that shoop is a terrible qb coach, but again, your not addressing the decision under fire issue. Limiting the options doesn't excuse a poor choice

Excuse? No. Explain to some degree? Yes. Please reference #3 in the original post if you think I think apple you is great thus far
 
So a good coach makes that adjustment or allows the QB to audible out of a bad play if he sees the wrong defensive formation....heck even an above average HS team has two plays called or as many are doing.... a check with me at the line, look to your sideline and gets a different play, if necessary!

But that adjustment hasn't been made which handicaps players who have good ability in the trenches and puts them behind the 8 ball
 
In the famous words of the Late, Great, Doug Buffone:
Stop the run
Run the ball
Pressure the QB,
I love ya Doug and miss ya on The Score in Chicago, I'm just not sure if we do only those, we can pull out a Victory, but could make it very interesting.
Let's Go Boilers and Keep Grinding away!!!!!
 
i expect to see a close game. the mighty boilers are tough enough to hang with these guys but coaching philosophy will keep the boilers from blowing anyone out. the only chance for a blowout by PU is if the defense makes a couple of big plays LATE in the game and scores or sets up easy scores. if the D scores early the opponent will have plenty of time to get back in the game

unless the "do no harm" mindset by the coaches change the boilers will be in close games. they don't win close games laely
 
To help AA Shoop needs to cut the field in half. Only have him read half the field. This was done with Jim Evertt until he was able to read the whole field. This will hurry his throws because he won't have as much to think about.
 
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