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Weatherford transferring

2016-2017

Senior - Kendall Stephens
Junior - PJ Thompson, Dakota Mathias, Vince Edwards, Basil Smotherman, Isaac Haas
Sophomore - Ryan Cline, Caleb Swanigan, Jacquil Taylor
Freshman - Carsen Edwards

3 open scholarships for next year now if I've got everyone accounted for. 4 open for 2017.
 
Not surprised. With Edwards coming in he would struggle to see time on the court.

I'm not stunned but it's big news in regards for what's available next year and in 2017. Seems like Grant enjoyed being with the team this year but didn't see himself as a rotational player going forward and wanted to be somewhere that he could help a team win while playing. I can't fault him a bit for that. Best of luck to him.
 
I agree, I don't fault him at all. I would like for us to be very aggressive in trying to nab Neal now. He would fill an immediate void, and we no longer have a log jam at PG.
 
Good luck to Grant. I was looking forward to seeing him play and was hoping for a little Kramer to emerge... hopefully he gets to play a lot wherever he lands.
 
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I agree, I don't fault him at all. I would like for us to be very aggressive in trying to nab Neal now. He would fill an immediate void, and we no longer have a log jam at PG.
Don't think Purdue is going after Neal.
 
Good luck to Grant. I was looking forward to seeing him play and was hoping for a little Kramer to emerge... hopefully he gets to play a lot wherever he lands.
good luck to Grant, wish he would have stayed and tried out for the football team, I would assume that this opens the door a little wider for Neal now although I would love us to get Savon Goodman from ASU. Could always use a tough player from Philly
 
Yea I think those that are expecting us to pursue Neal might be disappointed. Unless this Weatherford transfer was unexpected to our coaching staff and changes their opinion, I believe they had decided not to pursue Neal.
 
And do we really need to? Yeah this puts pressure on Carson to come in and wow us... but I don't see the need for neal.
Maybe not Neal, but there is a need for another experienced ball handler with or without Grant on the roster. Still holding out hope for another "right fit" 2016 grad transfer. But with Grant's scholly available you might now be more likely to take a flyer on another 2016 guard.
 
I'm guessing the coaching staff (or more specifically, Painter) sat down with him and told him that they weren't expecting him to play much next season. I hope Painter at least apologized for offering him in the first place if he didn't forsee him playing much.
 
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Every article about Neal I've read lists Purdue as one of the schools who have shown interest in Neal. What makes you guys think we aren't pursuing him?
 
I'm guessing the coaching staff (or more specifically, Painter) sat down with him and told him that they weren't expecting him to play much next season. I hope Painter at least apologized for offering him in the first place if he didn't forsee him playing much.
Really nage? Really? An apology for giving a marginal 3-star recruit an opportunity to play for a top 25 team while getting a top flight education? And who knows what promises were made, but from everything I've read there were no illusions that anything was going to be handed to him. It was recognized by nearly everyone that he was a project and best case a poor man's Chris Kramer but more likely an end of the bench team player. Everyone knew he had some ground to make up skill-wise. Players either develop as you hope or they don't. They aren't static entities. Some times things just don't work out. These are business decisions and often in the best interests of both parties. Unless Grant feels like he was treated unfairly why should any of us?
 
Really nage? Really? An apology for giving a marginal 3-star recruit an opportunity to play for a top 25 team while getting a top flight education? And who knows what promises were made, but from everything I've read there were no illusions that anything was going to be handed to him. It was recognized by nearly everyone that he was a project and best case a poor man's Chris Kramer but more likely a good practice player. Everything knew he had some ground to make up skill-wise. Players either develop as you hope or they don't. They aren't static entities. Some times things just don't work out. These are business decisions and often in the best interests of both parties. Unless Grant feels like he was treated unfairly why should any of us?

He wasn't a scholarship-worthy player at Purdue in the first place. That's why I hope Painter was apologetic to a degree in his talks with Weatherford.
 
He wasn't a scholarship-worthy player at Purdue in the first place. That's why I hope Painter was apologetic to a degree in his talks with Weatherford.

You don't have the first clue what the discussions were between those two either when he was being recruited or after the season.
 
You don't have the first clue what the discussions were between those two either when he was being recruited or after the season.

I never said I did. That's why I used the words "guessing" and "hope". I know he was offered and accepted it and now I know he's transferring. Your dislike for my posts because I don't agree with you on the state of the program is showing.
 
I never said I did. That's why I used the words "guessing" and "hope". I know he was offered and accepted it and now I know he's transferring. Your dislike for my posts because I don't agree with you on the state of the program is showing.

I've got news for you, I dislike most of your posts strictly on their own merit.
 
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Good to see our players are now being Creaned, especially ones we offered because they reminded us of CHRIS KRAMER. But lets just start another "Fire Coach X" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.
 
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Every article about Neal I've read lists Purdue as one of the schools who have shown interest in Neal. What makes you guys think we aren't pursuing him?
He visited Ole Miss last weekend and is visiting A&M on the 8th .... no other visits scheduled.

Ole Miss lost both their PGs.
 
Good to see our players are now being Creaned, especially ones we offered because they reminded us of CHRIS KRAMER. But lets just start another "Fire Coach X" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.

Why would he be creaned when we still have 2 other open scholarships for next season?
 
Good to see our players are now being Creaned, especially ones we offered because they reminded us of CHRIS KRAMER. But lets just start another "Fire Coach X" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.
That is not Creaning. That is professional, mature analysis and honest discussion of that analysis with a player who we gave a scholarship to and would have honored that scholarship. We didn't need to free up the scholarship. Every player that is recruited knows that if a better player at their position wants to come here next year, we will take them. There is no mystery to that.
 
I don't feel going after Neal is what we really need to do. I think we need another post guy to crash the boards when Haas isn't in. Unless Taylor shows he's ready I think we should consider a big.
 
I don't feel going after Neal is what we really need to do. I think we need another post guy to crash the boards when Haas isn't in. Unless Taylor shows he's ready I think we should consider a big.

agreed

-an agile 4/5 combo that can score & defend well or an athletic 3/4 combo that can really score and defend would be my wish for a frontcourt addition and a quick and overall athletic scoring guard that can defend for a backcourt addition
 
He wasn't a scholarship-worthy player at Purdue in the first place. That's why I hope Painter was apologetic to a degree in his talks with Weatherford.
Apologetic? For giving a kid a full ride to attend a top academic institution and the opportunity to be on a top 20 basketball team? That's a very odd perspective.
 
Apologetic? For giving a kid a full ride to attend a top academic institution and the opportunity to be on a top 20 basketball team? That's a very odd perspective.

He shouldn't have offered him in the first place if the reason Weatherford is transferring is due to a projected lack of playing time in the future. Most of us posting here thought it was a reach as soon as the offer was made public information. It shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand this scenario.
 
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Stand pat with what we have. DM has proven he can play the point as well. Stockpile scholarships for 17 & 18 unless we can get a stud transfer. Neal is not a stud transfer
 
Good to see our players are now being Creaned, especially ones we offered because they reminded us of CHRIS KRAMER. But lets just start another "Fire Coach X" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.
Yes, because it makes much more sense to turn every thread into a "Bash Painter" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.
 
Yes, because it makes much more sense to turn every thread into a "Bash Painter" thread because we don't want to deal with the reality that is Purdue Basketball right now.

What is the reality of Purdue basketball right now, in your opinion?
 
Stand pat with what we have. DM has proven he can play the point as well. Stockpile scholarships for 17 & 18 unless we can get a stud transfer. Neal is not a stud transfer

They can recruit quality grad transfers and won't lose those scholarships for 2017 (or 2018). Desmond Bane or some other highly-regarded incoming frosh (most likely a de-commit) are options as well.
 
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He shouldn't have offered him in the first place if the reason Weatherford is transferring is due to a projected lack of playing time in the future. Most of us posting here thought it was a reach as aoon as the offer was made public information. It shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand this scenario.
You said that MP should be apologetic. I'll repeat:
Apologetic? For giving a kid a full ride to attend a top academic institution and the opportunity to be on a top 20 basketball team? That's a very odd perspective.

Yes, I find your stand very difficult to understand. Surely you understand why!
 
The word apologetic is being used in the very possible scenario that CMP encouraged Weatherford to look elsewhere (i.e. other schools) for more playing time in the future. Again, this shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand.
 
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You said that MP should be apologetic. I'll repeat:
Apologetic? For giving a kid a full ride to attend a top academic institution and the opportunity to be on a top 20 basketball team? That's a very odd perspective.

Yes, I find your stand very difficult to understand. Surely you understand why!
I understand what you are saying, but by red shirting this year, he has to sit next year under the transfer rule, which means he loses a year of playing, unless he transfers down to D2, in which case I ask what was CMP thinking wasting a scholly on a D2 kid. Hurt the kid IMO.
 
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I'm guessing the coaching staff (or more specifically, Painter) sat down with him and told him that they weren't expecting him to play much next season. I hope Painter at least apologized for offering him in the first place if he didn't forsee him playing much.

The word apologetic is being used in the very possible scenario that CMP encouraged Weatherford to look elsewhere (i.e. other schools) for more playing time in the future. Again, this shouldn't be that difficult for you to understand.

You understand these are 2 very different things, right?
(1) A coach giving his player an honest evaluation of his anticipated limited role on next year's team - as a RS freshman
(2) A coach telling a player he should leave the program entirely

You got called out for suggesting Painter should apologize for #1 and sort of just changed it to #2.
 
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