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We played zone...

I was going to mention that in the thread about CMP... but I was afraid I'd hallucinated or something and didn't want called out.. :D
It would awful nice to have it in our tool bag situationally.
 
It's really a saggy man ... really, it is
I thought I saw it too and went looking for it in my recording. I looked from the ten minute mark of the second half onward and saw nothing but saggy man as you said Do Dah. If someone thinks they played zone give me a clock reference I'd like to look it up.
 
Although it could have been a match-up man ... maybe ... who knows ... keep them confused ... hmmm ...
 
It looked like Haas was playing sort of a one-man zone for a few possessions while VE was guarding Bryant (when Swanigan was on the bench in foul trouble). Other than that, I think was a saggy man D you saw from time-to-time, pig1960.
 
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It looked like Haas was playing sort of a one-man zone for a few possessions while VE was guarding Bryant (when Swanigan was on the bench in foul trouble). Other than that, I think was a saggy man D you saw from time-to-time, pig1960.

It's because we didn't respect McSwain's jumper. Haas was in the middle of the paint to help, while McSwain was out at the three point line.
 
I think that pack line (or "saggy") style defense is the most logical change up D for Purdue. It had the intended effect, I'd say.
man defense allows more versatility that any defense. YOu can play this guy tight, another player not...help off on this one, not on that one...you can change it by player, by player location, by player wiht the ball, without the ball...does the team need a three specifically...it is it a last second shot, do you switch on certain players, not swith on the same players in particular locations. None of this is aimed at you Boiler Daddy...hell you don't even have to guard someone unless right under the basket. Many of those things I can do with a zone as well. Anyone know how the IU guards shot from the man D on the perimeter?
 
man defense allows more versatility that any defense. YOu can play this guy tight, another player not...help off on this one, not on that one...you can change it by player, by player location, by player wiht the ball, without the ball...does the team need a three specifically...it is it a last second shot, do you switch on certain players, not swith on the same players in particular locations. None of this is aimed at you Boiler Daddy...hell you don't even have to guard someone unless right under the basket. Many of those things I can do with a zone as well. Anyone know how the IU guards shot from the man D on the perimeter?

Blackmon, Johnson, and Newkirk shot 8-34 overall and 4-16 from outside.
 
Blackmon, Johnson, and Newkirk shot 8-34 overall and 4-16 from outside.

yes...and the shot selection wasn't always the best, but credit Purdue's D as well. As my buddy texted to me during the game:

"IU will jack up a 3 from almost anywhere anytime by almost anyone...."

Morgan's foul trouble also helped the Boilers.
 
Saggy man defense.. why do I have mental images of the adult league at the YMCA?

Boom Baby!

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if we played straight up man defense then opposing players wouldnt get the free looks they often do. if you watch closely you can see players sag off their man and try to anticipate where ball is going and help out. especially true of haas who rarely stays with his man away from the basket.
 
yes...and the shot selection wasn't always the best, but credit Purdue's D as well. As my buddy texted to me during the game:

"IU will jack up a 3 from almost anywhere anytime by almost anyone...."

Morgan's foul trouble also helped the Boilers.
Wished Morgan's fouls would have helped Purdue in the first half
if we played straight up man defense then opposing players wouldnt get the free looks they often do. if you watch closely you can see players sag off their man and try to anticipate where ball is going and help out. especially true of haas who rarely stays with his man away from the basket.

I take straight up man as to play honest man with no adjustment to anything...just general rules. Most I'm aware treat straight up man as one step towards the ball from the one you are guarding if one pass away and back a step from a direct line direct from ball to the man you are guarding. If two passes away even counting a single skip pass, you are in help defense which is a function of how far do you help off your man that is not a single pass away? Purdue played man and adjusted to who they were guarding and who had the ball and who they couldn't help off of. Both teams didn't want the three ball to beat them
 
I think that pack line (or "saggy") style defense is the most logical change up D for Purdue. It had the intended effect, I'd say.
Dead on! It gives you some zone benefits but doesn't create as big of rebounding problems as zone does. It is also easier to teach to a man to man team, because it's still man to man. The Haas one man zone was used when number 21 was in for IU. The scouting report obviously said let him shoot it outside of...well anything but a dunk.
 
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