Using old tests

[Do Dah Day]

This subject came up in a prior thread - thought I would post the NCAA rules:

A tutor MAY NOT provide old tests to student athletes absent the approval of the professor. Therefore, prior to using old tests/quizzes in your tutor sessions, you must receive explicit approval from an Academic Support staff member.

Some other rules one may not know about:

A tutor MAY NOT provide library books or other research materials to the student for purposes of writing a paper.

The Athletics Department is permitted to purchase textbooks for a student athlete on athletics scholarship.However, this does not include course supplies (e.g. calculators, notebooks, art supplies or other study materialsnot specified on the course syllabus). Students may come to you unprepared for their session, and you may want to help by providing them with a notebook or other materials to assist them during their session. You are not permitted to do so! Rather, you should strongly suggest that the student athlete bring these materials to your next.session. MY ADD - NO LOANING OF A PENCIL!!!

Equipping student athletes with CDs, zip drives, etc. in the computer lab, even as simply a loan, is not permissible,regardless of the bind in which they find themselves. Student athletes are not permitted to submit a paper to you via electronic device (e.g., flash drive/CD) or method (e.g., email) for proofing. Should a student athlete attempt to do so, you must require that he/she print.

There are a million more, but you get the picture. Assuming something that seems reaasonable and indeed that many other students take advantage of is not necessarily the correct rule.

 

[TC4THREE]

I didn't realize we were talking about it in the context of athletes and tutoring. I would assume it's still ok for a normal student to study off old tests that they have access to.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I didn't realize we were talking about it in the context of athletes and tutoring. I would assume it's still ok for a normal student to study off old tests that they have access to.

It was discussed in the cconversation about that guy who specialized in helping student athletes become or stay eligible. He said he had hundreds of old tests and used them ... and some comments were made that everyone in a frat or soror accessed files of old tests.

My point was more to show that there are many fairly common activities that seem perfectly normal and acceptable, that are specifically not allowed by the NCAA. Like if a tutor bring cookies in with him, He CANNOT offer one to the student athlete!!!! .... Here's another one:

A student athlete MAY NOT receive items or services (e.g., movie tickets, dinners, use of car, etc.) without charge.

It is not permissible to allow a student athlete to use a telephone for personal reasons without charge or at areduced cost. A staff member MAY NOT use a personal credit card to coverany expenses for a student athleteat any time, even if the student athlete ultimately provides reimbursement.

 

[TC4THREE]

I'm not surprised by the NCAA rules at all. Ever since they regulated what type of things they allow to put on bagels I assume there are some ridiculously specific rules to many common activities.

 

[boilermaker75]

There is probably not an old test you cannot find for any course on this web site,

https://www.coursehero.com/?gclid=C...S12VB6cjkpWr6Czo3gjY7Ut-DvUju98AaAk0REALw_wcB

 

[BoilerJS]

I'm not surprised by the NCAA rules at all. Ever since they regulated what type of things they allow to put on bagels I assume there are some ridiculously specific rules to many common activities.

A recruit may attend a strip tease party as long as he does t tuck a buck.
A student athlete may take all his classes on line and graduate with a bachelor's as long as these classes are offered to the general student body. A student athletes family may take a monetary sum of money from a booster so long as the student athlete denies knowledge of the transaction. A student athletes mother may not accept rides from their employer, to games even though their employer is a graduate of a competitor university.

 

[BoilerAndy]

This subject came up in a prior thread - thought I would post the NCAA rules:

A tutor MAY NOT provide old tests to student athletes absent the approval of the professor. Therefore, prior to using old tests/quizzes in your tutor sessions, you must receive explicit approval from an Academic Support staff member.

Some other rules one may not know about:

A tutor MAY NOT provide library books or other research materials to the student for purposes of writing a paper.

The Athletics Department is permitted to purchase textbooks for a student athlete on athletics scholarship.However, this does not include course supplies (e.g. calculators, notebooks, art supplies or other study materialsnot specified on the course syllabus). Students may come to you unprepared for their session, and you may want to help by providing them with a notebook or other materials to assist them during their session. You are not permitted to do so! Rather, you should strongly suggest that the student athlete bring these materials to your next.session. MY ADD - NO LOANING OF A PENCIL!!!

Equipping student athletes with CDs, zip drives, etc. in the computer lab, even as simply a loan, is not permissible,regardless of the bind in which they find themselves. Student athletes are not permitted to submit a paper to you via electronic device (e.g., flash drive/CD) or method (e.g., email) for proofing. Should a student athlete attempt to do so, you must require that he/she print.

There are a million more, but you get the picture. Assuming something that seems reaasonable and indeed that many other students take advantage of is not necessarily the correct rule.

Zip drives? There's a blast from the past!

 

[cgnops]

Why would they need a tutor for old tests? Pretty sure many Greek houses have file cabinets packed full of old tests to study from. Several of the guys in my classes made excellent study buddies for exactly that reason.

 

[Inspector100]

Why would they need a tutor for old tests? Pretty sure many Greek houses have file cabinets packed full of old tests to study from. Several of the guys in my classes made excellent study buddies for exactly that reason.

Those tests are even on file in the university library. That tells me that the author of the test that is on file approves of it.

 

[ghostoffatjack]

Why would they need a tutor for old tests? Pretty sure many Greek houses have file cabinets packed full of old tests to study from. Several of the guys in my classes made excellent study buddies for exactly that reason.

Those tests are even on file in the university library. That tells me that the author of the test that is on file approves of it.

CORRECT, access to old tests as long as the Athletic Department or an Athletic Department tutor does not provide them is not a violation as long as the General student population has the same access. A couple of General Points, many classes offer Help Sessions the night or two before a test and they usually go over previous tests...both athletes and non can be in attendance. If a Athletic Department tutors are holding a athletes-only tutoring session they would and do make up their own similar questions.

Class registration for both in-person and on-line classes cannot be restricted to athletes only but athletes get first shot at registration which happens to be one of the sticking points in the North Carolina case since some classes were all athletes or a majority of athletes. Is a class actually a class or a sham is another big issue between the NCAA and NC, on-line one paper or 1 presentation classes for a grade is another and classes offered only to athletes especially in a one to one setting is the last known issue with NC and was originated by Duke years ago when they traveled and played overseas in also in question of being a certified class today!

 

[Do Dah Day]

CORRECT, access to old tests as long as the Athletic Department or an Athletic Department tutor does not provide them is not a violation as long as the General student population has the same access. A couple of General Points, many classes offer Help Sessions the night or two before a test and they usually go over previous tests...both athletes and non can be in attendance. If a Athletic Department tutors are holding a athletes-only tutoring session they would and do make up their own similar questions.

Class registration for both in-person and on-line classes cannot be restricted to athletes only but athletes get first shot at registration which happens to be one of the sticking points in the North Carolina case since some classes were all athletes or a majority of athletes. Is a class actually a class or a sham is another big issue between the NCAA and NC, on-line one paper or 1 presentation classes for a grade is another and classes offered only to athletes especially in a one to one setting is the last known issue with NC and was originated by Duke years ago when they traveled and played overseas in also in question of being a certified class today!

Well said ... thank you