Heldt to Clemson and Tibbs to K ST, also 10 players from UNLV entered today
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Considering the amount of CFP / highly-ranked programs that we’ve lost guys to, it just further emphasizes how inept Walter & Staff were. It could easily be a LONG time before we have as much talent on the roster as we had recently…
It's like 5 guys, right? Thieneman, Tibbs, Klare, Heldt, Brevard? I might be missing one so don't quibble with my number. If we really had a lot of talent, there would be 20 guys going to good programs right now.
And I don't even think Heldt is that good. I think we annointed him because we're the Den of Defensive Ends and we thought anyone in place on the left DE would be like Phillips or Kerrigan or Karlaftis. He's not.
There's 2 things: talent and coaching. I for one think we were far below standards in both, not just one or the other.
And what did that talent get is??
Would you rather have a good coach and solid players or an inexperienced coach that recruited more 4 stars than any other Purdue coach and won 5 games in two years.....
Highly disagree. We had enough talent to win 7-8 in 2023 and 4-6 in 2024. Yes…we don’t have as much as the blue bloods but we never have and never will.
That was 1000% my issue with Walters. Running a “pro” scheme with Purdue players.
I posted something similar a week when some were sayin about our talent level, I said it's like 4 or 5 guys, were poorly coached
the place kicker Caden C hopefully we get, Jr yr in H,S, 17- 22 w/ a long 56 yd er, SR Yr 18 - 22 w/ a long of 57 3 star
You'll just have to color me skeptical that this team was filled with talent.
I’m also including the players that we lost before the season, such as 1st Team All-SEC Nic Scourton as well as Deion Burks, who still nearly led Oklahoma in receiving despite missing quite a few games. We have another that has a bye in the CFP and yet another that started for a SEC team and still another that got sacks in multiple SEC games. Add Miller following Scourton to A&M, losing two members of a “bad” o-line to B1G & SEC teams , & someone that was a key player on a G5 CFP threat and you start to see just how much talent we squandered&lost…
How much will Purdue win next year? I’m not sure Barry Odom and unimaginative schemes is going to win much with discount talent.
I know everything goes back to Walters being terrible. I agree. But that doesn’t mean Purdue has talent.
If it was just the evil Walters as coach (and he did suck) and Purdue had money to even hold serve, these guys would be back. Some of them.
Purdue donors are going down a very risky road. They don’t put nearly as much into sports as other big donors. They want to take the big ten football money and use their donations to be the best they can at basketball. That’s the kind of behavior that makes schools actually trying at football say the words “reduced share.”
I get losing Thienemann. Oregon probably came with cash that hurt Purdues feelings. I don’t get losing all of these guys if Odom is actually seen as good. Cause then it’s just about spending some money on some of them.
I say 4-6 wins next year. Playing competent football. Not always competitive but not clueless. That’s a huge upgrade.
I disagree if we had all the money that these guys would be back. Most are probably embarrassed being the face of a 1-11 team. Most probably don’t like hard coaching. They are going to get a ton of that where they got none of that before.
Agree on Thieneman, he was gone regardless. We don’t have big $. We’ll lose the guys that the big programs want and want to pay. With Revenue sharing and modest NIl, we should be able to keep the guys worth keeping and build something.
I don’t think you can be mad at Purdue not having NIL now when we did t have big booster support before.
Not having big booster support keeps us out of the playoffs. Probably the top 25. That said, it shouldn’t keep us from playing competent and competitive football. The past 2 years that just didn’t exist. Most here have realistic expectations…compete with the lower half of the conference and have an upset here or there.
I don’t see anybody on here expecting 10+ wins and playoff berths. We will never have that booster support
The coach sucked and we had little talent. Both can be true.
We had good high end players and enough talent to cover up some of the warts.
We ran schemes that accentuated the weaknesses instead of compensating for or hiding them. That was the flaw.
There were NFL guys all over this team the past 2 years.
Dabo is a good coach. If he thinks Heldt is talented.....he is. Also, we had players that transferred to big time programs with good/great coaches.
So, your last comment is very true, but we obviously had enough talent to win more games. Our staff let these kids down.
A well prepared team that plays within a system can win at a very high clip. We have seen that with our basketball program.
Yes, eventually talent level will prevail against better programs. We were losing to lesser talented teams and looked bad doing it. You don't turn UNLV into a 10-win program not being prepared. He'll have us winning.
Yes, eventually talent level will prevail against better programs. We were losing to lesser talented teams and looked bad doing it. You don't turn UNLV into a 10-win program not being prepared. He'll have us winning.
Wow, that's a big dude and he punts.
I think the coaching sucked, but we always had a huge gap in talent. I think we had some really talented guys with a bad scheme, but I also think we had some guys on the field who'd struggle to start for a lower level MAC team.
The offers a guy had or has coming out of high school is usually a pretty good indicator of the talent, or at least the perceived talent..
I made a comment after one of the early losses that I wasn't convinced it was so much of a talent/physical issue.
For example, if you compare the size, speed, etc of each positional player with our peer B10 programs, Purdue players, (with some exceptions) are going to have very similar (height,weight, 40 time, shuttel, 225 bench, etc) measurables as most of the B10.
Now, I do suspect we are slower at some of the skilled positions (RB, WR), but I still think it was scheme and coaching that killed this team.
Hopefully we get him then. We definitely need a kicker. If he saw any tapes of our games this year, our kickers were missing everything.
How many of our best players were going to stay if Walters kept his job? IMO, very few. Anyone could see by the body language on the field ,that the players no longer trusted the system.
The worst player to have on a team is the one that walks around saying that he could have left but stayed and then regretted it.
On what ever level or time period that any of us have played a team sport, we all have experienced teammates that left the team for various reasons..
Purdue obviously needs talent,but even more, Pudue needs players that want to play for Purdue....
Big Sky,MAC, Sun Belt, MAAC or The Big Ten?
Purdue has two problems for over a decade. we are very bad at developing players to be better than they were when they arrived. Our redshirting has not been successful at developing anybody. if a a player is good, he has already hit the weight room in high school, and sitting out a year and eating protean shakes is not going to add anything to his body.
the other problem is our coaches have not been in sync with other, and the players. when they are, we are successful Brohm was in sync with brohm. Hope, hazell and walters had good assistants, but they were never in sync with each other. They were individual coaches and not a coaching staff.
it's hard for a player to enjoy any success if he is being told three different things by the head coach, his coordinator and his position coach.
the other problem is our coaches have not been in sync with other, and the players. when they are, we are successful Brohm was in sync with brohm. Hope, hazell and walters had good assistants, but they were never in sync with each other. They were individual coaches and not a coaching staff.
it's hard for a player to enjoy any success if he is being told three different things by the head coach, his coordinator and his position coach.
in track and field, you have similar issues. You have position coaches and head coaches. athletes tend to listen to position coaches more. However, sometimes head coaches tell an athlete to do their skill differently. and the position coach shakes their head and watches as the athlete fails.
Nonsense. I would agree we had that issue under Hazel, but not brohm. How about the following position players developing:
- QB Aiden Oconnell (redshirted)
- QB Elijah Sindelar (redahirted)
- QB David Blough (redshirt)
- RB Sevin Mockobee (redshirted)
- RB Tyrone Tracy (RS)
- RB Zander Horvath (RS)
- WR Jackson Anthrop (RS)
The rest I’m too lazy to see if they all redshirted
- WR Jared Sparks
- WR DJ Knox
- TE Brycen Hopkins
- TE Payne Durham
- TE Max Klare
- WR Deon Burks
- WR David Bell
- TE Garrett Miller
- WR Broc Thompson (pre-injury)
- WR Charlie Jones
I’m not going to go into the OL and defene since there are not as much stats on and I can’t use facts to prove you wrong like I can with position players.
LMFAO, comparing coaching dynamics for track and field with football coaches. GTFO!
And we played on mostly Saturdays. All can be true but one is more relevant.
Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. 5 players have returned from the portal since they hired Odom and some have said they were waiting to see. Ryan Browne said he would wait and see and then left after we didn’t keep him and got Singleton. Yanni was expected to wait and I think it was apparent to him he would be recruited over. I think there are still some that could potentially come back like Davila and a couple of the DBs. But not too often you get 5 to come back like that.
Who knows how many of these guys the new coach and staff really wanted to keep. Im assuming 5 or 6.
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