Ukraine corruption

[Boiler Buck]

Wars and conflicts like this linger on for one reason.....$$$

The military complex of companies are making a killing off the American tax payer. Politicians on both sides support these wars and conflicts to generate demand for military aide because BOTH Ds & Rs get massive kickbacks from these companies for their next race.

Can someone give me a reason why the USA is involved in these conflicts because I tire of the evil underlying political corruption & waste of tax dollars myself.

Biden announces $500M in new military aid to Ukraine during surprise visit

President Biden on Monday announced the U.S. would be providing $500 million in additional military aid to Ukraine during a surprise visit to Kyiv, and he teased new sanctions to crack down on enti…

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[tjreese]

Wars and conflicts like this linger on for one reason.....$$$

The military complex of companies are making a killing off the American tax payer. Politicians on both sides support these wars and conflicts to generate demand for military aide because BOTH Ds & Rs get massive kickbacks from these companies for their next race.

Can someone give me a reason why the USA is involved in these conflicts because I tire of the evil underlying political corruption & waste of tax dollars myself.

Biden announces $500M in new military aid to Ukraine during surprise visit

President Biden on Monday announced the U.S. would be providing $500 million in additional military aid to Ukraine during a surprise visit to Kyiv, and he teased new sanctions to crack down on enti…

thehill.com

Has the flow of the money been tracked going to Ukraine not that it is tracked well in the USA. Grow the blob...grow the corruption of "taxpayer's " money.

 

[purdave]

Wars and conflicts like this linger on for one reason.....$$$

The military complex of companies are making a killing off the American tax payer. Politicians on both sides support these wars and conflicts to generate demand for military aide because BOTH Ds & Rs get massive kickbacks from these companies for their next race.

Can someone give me a reason why the USA is involved in these conflicts because I tire of the evil underlying political corruption & waste of tax dollars myself.

Biden announces $500M in new military aid to Ukraine during surprise visit

President Biden on Monday announced the U.S. would be providing $500 million in additional military aid to Ukraine during a surprise visit to Kyiv, and he teased new sanctions to crack down on enti…

thehill.com

Because it is in the best interest of the US to support democracies and stand up to aggressive regimes in China, Russia and North Korea. By ignoring threats against allies in Taiwan and South Korea and emerging democracies in Ukraine and Baltic countries, the aggressors will embolden to continue with their attacks and territorial conquests.

 

[bonefish1]

Because it is in the best interest of the US to support democracies and stand up to aggressive regimes in China, Russia and North Korea. By ignoring threats against allies in Taiwan and South Korea and emerging democracies in Ukraine and Baltic countries, the aggressors will embolden to continue with their attacks and territorial conquests.

Biden has given the Ukraine $113B in US taxpayers money (your money, my money....)

 

[Riveting-]

Because it is in the best interest of the US to support democracies and stand up to aggressive regimes in China, Russia and North Korea. By ignoring threats against allies in Taiwan and South Korea and emerging democracies in Ukraine and Baltic countries, the aggressors will embolden to continue with their attacks and territorial conquests.

What emerging 'democracy' are you referring to, because you cannot possibly mean Ukraine? Opposition media outlets closed before the invasion, massive corruption in the defense ministry.

Is that your idea of emerging democracy?

 

[bonefish1]

Because it is in the best interest of the US to support democracies and stand up to aggressive regimes in China, Russia and North Korea. By ignoring threats against allies in Taiwan and South Korea and emerging democracies in Ukraine and Baltic countries, the aggressors will embolden to continue with their attacks and territorial conquests.

Why has the US given 6X more money to the Ukraine than any other country in the world?

What happens if China decides to start helping Russia with $, weapons, etc?

 

[Boiler Buck]

Biden has given the Ukraine $113B in US taxpayers money (your money, my money....)

Yep USA $113B.
I think the next closest country is the UK @ $4 billion. Germany, France & Spain have given very little if any I believe... but I don't have exact figures.

Wonder why we give so much more? Well the answer is our corrupt politicians working with the military complex of corrupt companies, I explained in the opening.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Because it is in the best interest of the US to support democracies and stand up to aggressive regimes in China, Russia and North Korea. By ignoring threats against allies in Taiwan and South Korea and emerging democracies in Ukraine and Baltic countries, the aggressors will embolden to continue with their attacks and territorial conquests.

Yep that's the Govt line used. I don't buy it.

1. Is Ukraine a Democracy?
(Doubtful see Riveting's response.)
2. Is it an ally....maybe?
(But a corrupt broke one.)
3. Why is it so much in our interest....but not as much as our other allies & nato countries who have given so very little?
(It's NOT....we give more to support the corrupt military complex)
4. What could we have done with $113 B here in USA?
(Maybe match UK's donation of $4B ...... And spend the rest of money here on homeless, mental health, or propping up SS, debt reduction, etc.)

 

[bonefish1]

Yep that's the Govt line used. I don't buy it.

1. Is Ukraine a Democracy?
(Doubtful see Riveting's response.)
2. Is it an ally....maybe?
(But a corrupt broke one.)
3. Why is it so much in our interest....but not as much as our other allies & nato countries who have given so very little?
(It's NOT....we give more to support the corrupt military complex)
4. What could we have done with $113 B here in USA?
(Maybe match UK's donation of $4B ...... And spend the rest of money here on homeless, mental health, or propping up SS, debt reduction, etc.)

I say this with a very high level of confidence: we would not be in this debacle if Trump were POTUS.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Yep USA $113B.
I think the next closest country is the UK @ $4 billion. Germany, France & Spain have given very little if any I believe... but I don't have exact figures.

Wonder why we give so much more? Well the answer is our corrupt politicians working with the military complex of corrupt companies, I explained in the opening.

As you speculated. You didn’t explain or give facts at all.

We are giving them more money because they were invaded by a socialist, authoritarian regime. It’s in Europe. That’s how world wars started there. That affects us.

Used to be republicans were for us standing up to the USSR/Russia. Used to be republicans were for supporting countries that wanted to be democracies.

I guess you guys don’t ever get to bring up Crimea again. Obama dropped the ball and didn’t stand up to Russia. Now when Biden does, you bitch about that too.

 

[bonefish1]

As you speculated. You didn’t explain or give facts at all.

We are giving them more money because they were invaded by a socialist, authoritarian regime. It’s in Europe. That’s how world wars started there. That affects us.

Used to be republicans were for us standing up to the USSR/Russia. Used to be republicans were for supporting countries that wanted to be democracies.

I guess you guys don’t ever get to bring up Crimea again. Obama dropped the ball and didn’t stand up to Russia. Now when Biden does, you bitch about that too.

Remember when Trump was going to pull out of NATO because all the other countries were freeloading and not making the required financial contributions? This sounds very familiar.

If China invades Taiwan, what will the US do?

 

[SKYDOG]

As you speculated. You didn’t explain or give facts at all.

We are giving them more money because they were invaded by a socialist, authoritarian regime. It’s in Europe. That’s how world wars started there. That affects us.

Used to be republicans were for us standing up to the USSR/Russia. Used to be republicans were for supporting countries that wanted to be democracies.

I guess you guys don’t ever get to bring up Crimea again. Obama dropped the ball and didn’t stand up to Russia. Now when Biden does, you bitch about that too.

Maybe Biden should at least talk to Putin. That would be a good start to try and de-escalate this war.

 

[BoilerTom90]

Remember when Trump was going to pull out of NATO because all the other countries were freeloading and not making the required financial contributions? This sounds very familiar.

If China invades Taiwan, what will the US do?

Not a damn thing. China has the US by the testicles.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Not a damn thing. China has the BIDEN'S by the testicles.

FIFY

 

[BuilderBob6]

Remember when Trump was going to pull out of NATO because all the other countries were freeloading and not making the required financial contributions? This sounds very familiar.

If China invades Taiwan, what will the US do?

Yeah, I remember when trump put cash above the safety, security and freedom of Europe. If you really want to put America first, you might want to think beyond the obvious concern of the moment that you and trump are most worried about and think about the two world wars that started there that gave us 900K casualties. Or the cost to fight a war there now. But you can’t think past your nose.

You can’t even understand that Putin is clearly demonstrating right now WHY NATO was created in the first place and why it’s still a necessary deterrent.

Why am I trying to talk geopolitics with you? If trump and his over the top America First doctrine was in place in ‘39 the French would be speaking German and you wouldn’t GAF.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Remember when Trump was going to pull out of NATO because all the other countries were freeloading and not making the required financial contributions? This sounds very familiar.

If China invades Taiwan, what will the US do?

As far as Taiwan, I don’t know what we’re going to do. But I can tell you there are plans and contingencies. Has been for a long time and they are constantly being reevaluated.

I’m sure trump could solve it in a day and it would be so easy, or so he says. Now that’s a great plan.

 

[BoilerTom90]

FIFY

Sorry typo on my part. But u need to include the NBA along with the Bidens

 

[Riveting-]

Yeah, I remember when trump put cash above the safety, security and freedom of Europe. If you really want to put America first, you might want to think beyond the obvious concern of the moment that you and trump are most worried about and think about the two world wars that started there that gave us 900K casualties. Or the cost to fight a war there now. But you can’t think past your nose.

You can’t even understand that Putin is clearly demonstrating right now WHY NATO was created in the first place and why it’s still a necessary deterrent.

Why am I trying to talk geopolitics with you? If trump and his over the top America First doctrine was in place in ‘39 the French would be speaking German and you wouldn’t GAF.

Bob, Ukraine is not a member of NATO. If it were, members would be required to send in troops. How can you not be aware of that? Further, how would it benefit the US if they were?

Comparing warfare today with 1939 is ridiculous. Nuclear weapons, submarines, cyber warfare, etc. Quite a bit different. Moreover, it is now clear that the Russian land army is largely inept - meaning there is less need than ever for NATO from our viewpoint. If the wealthy Euro countries want it, fine, but we should stop letting them rip us off.

America First was a reasonable policy, one even advocated by JFK, right up until Pearl Harbor. After that, there were no more America Firsters for all intents and purposes as the giant was no longer sleeping.

Did you go to Purdue?

 

[Boiler Buck]

As you speculated. You didn’t explain or give facts at all.

We are giving them more money because they were invaded by a socialist, authoritarian regime. It’s in Europe. That’s how world wars started there. That affects us.

Used to be republicans were for us standing up to the USSR/Russia. Used to be republicans were for supporting countries that wanted to be democracies.

I guess you guys don’t ever get to bring up Crimea again. Obama dropped the ball and didn’t stand up to Russia. Now when Biden does, you bitch about that too.

I am not a Republican.
On all levels, I am a Conservative that leans to whichever corrupt party that will reduce my taxes.

First, I clearly laid out the case that this was a bipartisan issue with corruption on both sides.

Fact two, is we are clearly giving them more, over $109 Bill more, than other allies, only because we have this military complex that must be fed for kickbacks to happen. One would think that this would be more important to Ukraine's neighboring countries in Europe than us. Judging by their donations, they aren't concerned about "authoritarian regime." you mentioned.

Fact 3, putting all these $Billions of weapons there makes Europe MORE dangerous & more likely of escalation.....not LESS

 

[SDBoiler1]

Yeah, I remember when trump put cash above the safety, security and freedom of Europe. If you really want to put America first, you might want to think beyond the obvious concern of the moment that you and trump are most worried about and think about the two world wars that started there that gave us 900K casualties. Or the cost to fight a war there now. But you can’t think past your nose.

You can’t even understand that Putin is clearly demonstrating right now WHY NATO was created in the first place and why it’s still a necessary deterrent.

Why am I trying to talk geopolitics with you? If trump and his over the top America First doctrine was in place in ‘39 the French would be speaking German and you wouldn’t GAF.

Biden is playing a very dangerous game. What we have right now is a proxy war between the US/EU and Russia/China. Putin needs to be checked because he is a rogue actor but the US/EU stance is drawing Russia/China ever closer together and the battle lines are forming. We are getting closer and closer to a new world war and Biden is stupidly playing a big part in that. He is not trying to deescalate the situation - he's making it worse all the time. HIs policy on Ukraine is reckless. What exactly is the benefit to the US in drawing Russia and China closer together? The Neville Chamberlain philosophy of appeasement will not work with Putin. Continually poking him in the eye and making him more on edge and desperate doesn't make the US or the world safer either.

Ukraine is corrupt and is the lesser of two evils (w.r.t. Putin and Russia), but don't act like Ukraine is some lily white country that is a great Western democracy - it's not at all. At this point the UN is a toothless poodle. As a body, it doesn't do anything of significance anymore. NATO is much the same.

 

[Joetboiler]

Yeah, I remember when trump put cash above the safety, security and freedom of Europe. If you really want to put America first, you might want to think beyond the obvious concern of the moment that you and trump are most worried about and think about the two world wars that started there that gave us 900K casualties. Or the cost to fight a war there now. But you can’t think past your nose.

You can’t even understand that Putin is clearly demonstrating right now WHY NATO was created in the first place and why it’s still a necessary deterrent.

Why am I trying to talk geopolitics with you? If trump and his over the top America First doctrine was in place in ‘39 the French would be speaking German and you wouldn’t GAF.

Bobby. Why are NATO countries 1year later STILL buying Russian oil? Yes the NATO you speak so highly of that Biden has brought together as one. https://www.barrons.com/news/poland-still-buying-russian-oil-deputy-minister-01675959908

And It’s not just Poland but Biden was just there. Why didn’t he say that in his big speech? “Hey Americans have shelled out over 100 billion. Can you stop buying their shit so the war will end.”

I told you directly these countries would never stop buying Russian energy because in the end their pols didn’t want to be hung in the streets like Benito by freezing and starving populace,

And fyi. The last rankings before the war had Ukraine about 20 spots more corrupt than flipping Russia so spare me your cut and paste faux outrage when anybody questions WTF we are doing. But I would enjoy hearing your off ramp for this cluster that keeps getting more people killed.

 

[Joetboiler]

Yeah, I remember when trump put cash above the safety, security and freedom of Europe. If you really want to put America first, you might want to think beyond the obvious concern of the moment that you and trump are most worried about and think about the two world wars that started there that gave us 900K casualties. Or the cost to fight a war there now. But you can’t think past your nose.

You can’t even understand that Putin is clearly demonstrating right now WHY NATO was created in the first place and why it’s still a necessary deterrent.

Why am I trying to talk geopolitics with you? If trump and his over the top America First doctrine was in place in ‘39 the French would be speaking German and you wouldn’t GAF.

Bobby. As the self-appointed expert on geopolitics (I.e. cut and pasting) why are our NATO friends still funding Putin’s war machine while Americans spend billions to fight against a dictator funded by our friends? And Ukrainians die from weapons bought from NATO and EuroBloc blood money?

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/14/ukr...quietly-importing-russian-nuclear-energy.html