Ugh! Dog days of Summer. Need some football

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Wish football would come around sooner than later. Does anyone know if Brohm will be more receptive to open practices or will he be keeping everyone away including reporters?
2017/2018 productive years seemed like he was more open to the public which generated more interest. 2019/2020 he became more reclusive and Purdue in general stunk it up (injuries, pandemic, coaching in general stunk). Logic would seem to think it is time to come out of the shell and garner more interest and have success like the '17/'18 era. Thoughts?
3 weeks till lunch and learn from Big Ten conference meeting, then another 1-2 weeks before fall practice.

All i keep thinking about this Friday is: Are we there yet?

 

[Purdue85]

Wish football would come around sooner than later. Does anyone know if Brohm will be more receptive to open practices or will he be keeping everyone away including reporters?
2017/2018 productive years seemed like he was more open to the public which generated more interest. 2019/2020 he became more reclusive and Purdue in general stunk it up (injuries, pandemic, coaching in general stunk). Logic would seem to think it is time to come out of the shell and garner more interest and have success like the '17/'18 era. Thoughts?
3 weeks till lunch and learn from Big Ten conference meeting, then another 1-2 weeks before fall practice.

All i keep thinking about this Friday is: Are we there yet?

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Al Davis... "just win, baby".

I couldn't give a fat rat's @ss about open practices, playing his cards close to the vest about injuries, etc.

Build the program.

 

[purduepat1969]

Al Davis... "just win, baby".

I couldn't give a fat rat's @ss about open practices, playing his cards close to the vest about injuries, etc.

Build the program.

Can we permanently save this? "Just win baby"? That's kinda what most of us have wanted the past couple of years. Hopefully that will improve this upcoming season.

As to building a program, part of building said program is building fan support. Not sure Brohm has really seen that as a priority with the way he "plays his cards close to the vest". It's especially not a great strategy when you're not winning...

 

[Purdue85]

Can we permanently save this? "Just win baby"? That's kinda what most of us have wanted the past couple of years. Hopefully that will improve this upcoming season.

As to building a program, part of building said program is building fan support. Not sure Brohm has really seen that as a priority with the way he "plays his cards close to the vest". It's especially not a great strategy when you're not winning...

That's the disconnect. Dare I say it? The disconnect of the Brohm haters.

Everybody wants to win. That's not something owned solely by people who hate the current HC.

Brohm's handling of the PR (and publicly sharing of information) has ZERO to do with winning. That has nothing to do with ... "fan support".

Knowing the current health status of star players does not fall within the *RIGHTS* of fans. It appears to be primarily a claim reserved solely for those who whine, b*tch and moan about the head coach...

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Al Davis... "just win, baby".

I couldn't give a fat rat's @ss about open practices, playing his cards close to the vest about injuries, etc.

Build the program.

Interviews give insight if Purdue is building the program or not. Waiting for game day may be our only way to see progress. I do give a rat’s ass and want to know.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

That's the disconnect. Dare I say it? The disconnect of the Brohm haters.

Everybody wants to win. That's not something owned solely by people who hate the current HC.

Brohm's handling of the PR (and publicly sharing of information) has ZERO to do with winning. That has nothing to do with ... "fan support".

Knowing the current health status of star players does not fall within the *RIGHTS* of fans. It appears to be primarily a claim reserved solely for those who whine, b*tch and moan about the head coach...

I don’t believe a vast majority of the fan base whines, bitches and moans about Brohm. They know it has been a large undertaking. The regression and clamming up has many of us pausing to see what is next.
Closed practices and minimal media interviews doesn’t help fanbase support.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Interviews give insight if Purdue is building the program or not. Waiting for game day may be our only way to see progress. I do give a rat’s ass and want to know.

I only care about winning. If Brohm thinks that withholding information about the program from us, AND THE OPPONENT, will give us a better chance to win, then go for it.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

As to building a program, part of building said program is building fan support.

Winning builds fan support. Nothing else. You lose, and no one cares about your great pressers.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Winning builds fan support. Nothing else. You lose, and no one cares about your great pressers.

Gotta get back the fans from 2 crappy years of football. Do both win & sell the product to gain interest and momentum.
Staying in a storm shelter all clammed up is a bad plan IMHO.

 

[Purdue85]

Interviews give insight if Purdue is building the program or not. Waiting for game day may be our only way to see progress. I do give a rat’s ass and want to know.

It's irrelevant what I/we know about practices vis-a-vis on the field (gameday) performance.

Just win, baby. That's the measure of building a program.

Complaining about it does nothing. Knowing about it does nothing. All that is simply noise.

 

[Purdue85]

I don’t believe a vast majority of the fan base whines, bitches and moans about Brohm. They know it has been a large undertaking. The regression and clamming up has many of us pausing to see what is next.
Closed practices and minimal media interviews doesn’t help fanbase support.

You might be right. The vast majority of the fan base doesn't really care about closed practices and limited info given about injuries during media interviews, either. It simply provides ammo to the people who do whine, b*tch and moan about Brohm. That's on Brohm, but we can call it what it is.

 

[purduepat1969]

That's the disconnect. Dare I say it? The disconnect of the Brohm haters.

Everybody wants to win. That's not something owned solely by people who hate the current HC.

Brohm's handling of the PR (and publicly sharing of information) has ZERO to do with winning. That has nothing to do with ... "fan support".

Knowing the current health status of star players does not fall within the *RIGHTS* of fans. It appears to be primarily a claim reserved solely for those who whine, b*tch and moan about the head coach...

The "disconnect" is that you believe I'm a Brohm "hater". The fact that I'm highly skeptical of his ability to right the ship and have criticized his approach does not make me a "hater". I want nothing more than to see him win and will be more than happy if I've been wrong.

 

[Purdue85]

The "disconnect" is that you believe I'm a Brohm "hater". The fact that I'm highly skeptical of his ability to right the ship and have criticized his approach does not make me a "hater". I want nothing more than to see him win and will be more than happy if I've been wrong.

I don't know what you "believe", I only know what you've written.

 

[purduepat1969]

I don't know what you "believe", I only know what you've written.

So I've written that I hate Brohm...of course.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Gotta get back the fans from 2 crappy years of football. Do both win & sell the product to gain interest and momentum.
Staying in a storm shelter all clammed up is a bad plan IMHO.

Winning will get those fans back. Giving away valuable personnel info to our opponents will not.

And Brohm, like many other coaches, obviously believes that giving the opponent that information takes away the element of surprise, and reduces our chances of winning.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I don’t believe a vast majority of the fan base whines, bitches and moans about Brohm. They know it has been a large undertaking. The regression and clamming up has many of us pausing to see what is next.
Closed practices and minimal media interviews doesn’t help fanbase support.

Besides the sunshine crew and the people who think we can unrealistically fire brohm.. i believe there’s another camp who just talks about reality.

we have a lot of questions and are looking like a 5-7 team that could really break out in 2022. Does that mean I want brohm gone, hate brohm or even think brohm has done a bad job? No. I actually don’t think firing brohm will be good at all even if we are awful this season.

I didn’t think Danny hope had to be fired. Some may disagree and I wasn’t thrilled with hope.. but the question was, as it is now, “who are you gonna get??” We didn’t have an answer and I don’t think we have an answer now.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Winning builds fan support. Nothing else. You lose, and no one cares about your great pressers.

You lose and no one also cares if you lost, but you lost to a REALLY HARD OOC slate

 

[New Pal Boiler]

You lose and no one also cares if you lost, but you lost to a REALLY HARD OOC slate

Difference being that Brohm had nothing to do with his OOC slates thus far.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

I don't know what you "believe", I only know what you've written.

I wanna clarify I definitely am not a brohm hater. I point out realities I see… but you may have missed the late 00s when half the forum went on about how we have MAC talent. They made my notes about an individual player here or there look very mild.

I like brohm and also want to see him succeed, mostly because we haven’t done a good enough job in the post tiller years to have attractive options.

I also think that the transfer rule will make it such that no big ten team is going to be sitting there without answers at a given position for very long.

before, if your starting safeties graduated and then a couple who were left over flamed out or had injuries, you were relying on 18 year olds to build that up. Now you can go out and find reliable players easily to cover your bottom end.

 

[Purdue85]

So I've written that I hate Brohm...of course.

Didn't say that. But, you know that. Of course.

 

[PaBoiler78]

I wanna clarify I definitely am not a brohm hater. I point out realities I see… but you may have missed the late 00s when half the forum went on about how we have MAC talent. They made my notes about an individual player here or there look very mild.

I like brohm and also want to see him succeed, mostly because we haven’t done a good enough job in the post tiller years to have attractive options.

I also think that the transfer rule will make it such that no big ten team is going to be sitting there without answers at a given position for very long.

before, if your starting safeties graduated and then a couple who were left over flamed out or had injuries, you were relying on 18 year olds to build that up. Now you can go out and find reliable players easily to cover your bottom end.

 

[MilwaukeeBoilerFan]

Winning will get those fans back. Giving away valuable personnel info to our opponents will not.

And Brohm, like many other coaches, obviously believes that giving the opponent that information takes away the element of surprise, and reduces our chances of winning.

After game 1 (non-conference), there will be no trade secrets. Furthermore, any coaches worth their salary will have a staff that will have scoured and have clips and tendencies of all our 1st and 2nd team players well before we play them. Only a trick play setup will be next to impossible to plan for.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

After game 1 (non-conference), there will be no trade secrets. Furthermore, any coaches worth their salary will have a staff that will have scoured and have clips and tendencies of all our 1st and 2nd team players well before we play them. Only a trick play setup will be next to impossible to plan for.

Player availability.

 

[Matt Tiger]

Besides the sunshine crew and the people who think we can unrealistically fire brohm.. i believe there’s another camp who just talks about reality.

we have a lot of questions and are looking like a 5-7 team that could really break out in 2022. Does that mean I want brohm gone, hate brohm or even think brohm has done a bad job? No. I actually don’t think firing brohm will be good at all even if we are awful this season.

I didn’t think Danny hope had to be fired. Some may disagree and I wasn’t thrilled with hope.. but the question was, as it is now, “who are you gonna get??” We didn’t have an answer and I don’t think we have an answer now.

You make some good points.I remember very well when Leon Burtnett was let go by Purdue and I thought Fred Akers would certainly be better.Boy,was I ever wrong.Burtnett was better at Purdue than Akers or Jim Coletto.I thought the Boilermakers would never make that big of a mistake again but they did by canning Danny Hope and bringing in the Haze.Anyway,at least five wins is needed this season and Purdue would have a tough time finding a real good Head Coach to come here if Brohm is canned after this year.Of course if Purdue starts this season at 4 and 1 we will all be upset if they dont win at least eight games.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

You make some good points.I remember very well when Leon Burtnett was let go by Purdue and I thought Fred Akers would certainly be better.Boy,was I ever wrong.Burtnett was better at Purdue than Akers or Jim Coletto.I thought the Boilermakers would never make that big of a mistake again but they did by canning Danny Hope and bringing in the Haze.Anyway,at least five wins is needed this season and Purdue would have a tough time finding a real good Head Coach to come here if Brohm is canned after this year.Of course if Purdue starts this season at 4 and 1 we will all be upset if they dont win at least eight games.

If this makes sense.. I anticipate us to be a team that rounds into the kind of form by years end where people say “if we started the season like this instead of some remaining growing pains, we could have started 4-1 and been 8-4”

 

[purduepat1969]

If this makes sense.. I anticipate us to be a team that rounds into the kind of form by years end where people say “if we started the season like this instead of some remaining growing pains, we could have started 4-1 and been 8-4”

Generally it hasn't been growing pains. It's been starting the season pretty well and then fizzling out due to depth issues / injuries...

 

[Matt Tiger]

If this makes sense.. I anticipate us to be a team that rounds into the kind of form by years end where people say “if we started the season like this instead of some remaining growing pains, we could have started 4-1 and been 8-4”

Yes it makes sense.I have had similar thoughts this year about this team.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Generally it hasn't been growing pains. It's been starting the season pretty well and then fizzling out due to depth issues / injuries...

So.. when we were at nevada and couldn’t push nevada for one yard cause of our new OL and RB, that wasn’t growing pains? Must not have been growing pains when we couldn’t pass protect for Plummer vs TCU at all?

I wasn’t referencing previous years even.. I Was simply saying this year we will have them. I believe Lambert can answer questions… but he has to figure out 4 spots in the back 7 and I just don’t buy this idea that they all come out looking like vets in week one. If they do I’ll be the first to say I was wrong

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Generally it hasn't been growing pains. It's been starting the season pretty well and then fizzling out due to depth issues / injuries...

Oh sorry by remaining I meant remaining from the roster holes we ended the season with …

 

[purduepat1969]

So.. when we were at nevada and couldn’t push nevada for one yard cause of our new OL and RB, that wasn’t growing pains? Must not have been growing pains when we couldn’t pass protect for Plummer vs TCU at all?

I wasn’t referencing previous years even.. I Was simply saying this year we will have them. I believe Lambert can answer questions… but he has to figure out 4 spots in the back 7 and I just don’t buy this idea that they all come out looking like vets in week one. If they do I’ll be the first to say I was wrong

At Nevada, the OL was gassed in the 2nd half. That was due to not having enough depth and playing at altitude. If you noticed, the team dominated in the 1st half when they were fresh.

 

[BoilerData]

Overall, I'm probably more patient and optimistic than the average Purdue fan, and Brohm has outperformed the talent on his roster, despite the lackluster results the past two years. This is still a young roster, despite being in year 5. I'm not so worried about recruiting rankings as much as Brohm is recruiting the right players that fit his system and culture.

Purdue has enough playmakers on offense to make it to bowl games over the next 4 years, and the maturity of the offensive line will help with consistency. The defense will continue to be up and down, but I think Brohm put together a staff that will work well together and be a net positive from a culture and development perspective. Despite an increasing reliance on the transfer portal, Purdue needs to develop players like Northwestern, and we won't see the early dividends on this until next year at the earliest, IMO.

I don't see what open practices will really tell us, and the biggest question probably won't be answered until we see the team play against Oregon State.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

At Nevada, the OL was gassed in the 2nd half. That was due to not having enough depth and playing at altitude. If you noticed, the team dominated in the 1st half when they were fresh.

They couldn’t get push in the running game all day and I thought that was due to having 3 completely new OL who had never taken a snap. That season.. king doerue was really running for his life behind the LOS IMO.

if the coaches have answers to these questions on day one … just decent answers that allow our teams best players to shine.. then I’ll go on record and say they can be a dangerous team from day one:

> who are the DTs? I know watts is back but will he be back and healthy as the player we have seen at times. Will johnson hold up at the point of attack and even get some push?
> will Mitchell transition smoothly to 4-3 DE
> who are the linebackers other than Alexander and will Alexander even be that good
> who is the safety opposite allen
> who is the corner opposite trice
> will Sheffield not only add athleticism to the position, will he play fluidly enough to be a consistent threat in space.
> can doerue get in there to add an explosive option to not only rack up the yards, but force defenses to account for the threat of the long run
> will Wright be a consistent threat on every play and throughout my the game
> will we have a good OL with solid depth?
> will Plummer process more quickly and play more smoothly OR will O’Connell show that he did some plyometrics in the off-season.

we answer all those day one, no growing pains.. if the answers to any of those drag out throughout the course of the season.. growing pains

 

[purduepat1969]

They couldn’t get push in the running game all day and I thought that was due to having 3 completely new OL who had never taken a snap. That season.. king doerue was really running for his life behind the LOS IMO.

if the coaches have answers to these questions on day one … just decent answers that allow our teams best players to shine.. then I’ll go on record and say they can be a dangerous team from day one:

> who are the DTs? I know watts is back but will he be back and healthy as the player we have seen at times. Will johnson hold up at the point of attack and even get some push?
> will Mitchell transition smoothly to 4-3 DE
> who are the linebackers other than Alexander and will Alexander even be that good
> who is the safety opposite allen
> who is the corner opposite trice
> will Sheffield not only add athleticism to the position, will he play fluidly enough to be a consistent threat in space.
> can doerue get in there to add an explosive option to not only rack up the yards, but force defenses to account for the threat of the long run
> will Wright be a consistent threat on every play and throughout my the game
> will we have a good OL with solid depth?
> will Plummer process more quickly and play more smoothly OR will O’Connell show that he did some plyometrics in the off-season.

we answer all those day one, no growing pains.. if the answers to any of those drag out throughout the course of the season.. growing pains

Purdue didn't really even try to rush the ball. Horvath had 19 carries and Doerue with 1. They were up 24-7 at halftime. Depth and lack of substitutions lost the game...

 

[BCfanatic2020]

Purdue didn't really even try to rush the ball. Horvath had 19 carries and Doerue with 1. They were up 24-7 at halftime. Depth and lack of substitutions lost the game...

Pat.. are you telling me that with the 2018 OL, horvath and doerue end up with that yard total vs nevada?

 

[purduepat1969]

Pat.. are you telling me that with the 2018 OL, horvath and doerue end up with that yard total vs nevada?

No, I'm telling you the running game and the inexperience of the offensive line weren't the major factors in the loss. The major factors were depth and lack of substitutions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

 

[BCfanatic2020]

No, I'm telling you the running game and the inexperience of the offensive line weren't the major factors in the loss. The major factors were depth and lack of substitutions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.

We would have ran for a lot more yards with an established OL.. and that would have caused nevada to give up more points and run out of time

 

[BCfanatic2020]

No, I'm telling you the running game and the inexperience of the offensive line weren't the major factors in the loss. The major factors were depth and lack of substitutions, particularly on the defensive side of the ball.