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Tucker Carlson Has Replaced Donald Trump

Mike Lindell and Steve Bannon both now say that MSNBC has better coverage than Fox:

 
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Don’t think I need to hear about how the vaccine is dangerous and people shouldn’t take it. I’m good. They have to keep you all angry and dumb. Easier to control that way.
 
Don’t think I need to hear about how the vaccine is dangerous and people shouldn’t take it. I’m good. They have to keep you all angry and dumb. Easier to control that way.
I got the vaccine but since have learned of some of the side effects. I may not had taken it had I known prior.
 
Just nod your head and listen to whatever government tells you to do like a good little dumb puppet. Keep dancing for the Democrats.

If it will save my life, yes, I'll keep dancing. Sure beats having ignorant and foolish people telling me to resist the vaccine and then dying needlessly.

I got the vaccine but since have learned of some of the side effects. I may not had taken it had I known prior.

Long haul COVID has some nasty effects, too. It's nice to have an education in math and science to properly assess risk here.
 
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Yes, I don’t understand that 95% = 1/20 (the vaccine efficacy)….not the 3/100,000 that you represented above.

if a bridge was only 95% safe, some may actually choose to swim
Efficacy and safety are not the same thing. Even if EVERY VAERS entry was actually accurate and was a person who died FROM the vaccine (rather than simply after getting the vaccine), the safety rate is about 99.996%. Ok, so Bob was off by 1 person per 100,000. Of course, given what we know about VAERS, it’s actually even safer than that.
 
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Efficacy and safety are not the same thing. Even if EVERY VAERS entry was actually accurate and was a person who died FROM the vaccine (rather than simply after getting the vaccine), the safety rate is about 99.996%. Ok, so Bob was off by 1 person per 100,000. Of course, given what we know about VAERS, it’s actually even safer than that.
That’s sort of like saying people 99,999/100,000 can safely take the bridge, but only 19/20 get to the destination that the seek (prevention from contracting COVID).

People take the bridge to get to the other side, and the vaccine is only 95% in delivering that outcome.
 
That’s sort of like saying people 99,999/100,000 can safely take the bridge, but only 19/20 get to the destination that the seek (prevention from contracting COVID).

People take the bridge to get to the other side, and the vaccine is only 95% in delivering that outcome.
Agreed, though, in this analogy where the vaccine is a bridge, you still don’t get to the other side because you don’t even get on the bridge. This is the problem with analogies, though. The vaccine is not a bridge. People take the vaccine to avoid getting covid and/or to avoid giving it to other people. It’s 95% effective at preventing you from getting it and correspondingly effective (I don't know if there's actually a number) at preventing you from spreading it. And even if you DO get it after being vaccinated, you’re less likely to get seriously sick and less likely to die than without it.

Regardless, your criticism of Bob because his numbers were supposedly wrong was unwarranted, because his numbers were basically right. It’s yours that we’re wrong, not his, which was my only point.
 
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Agreed, though, in this analogy where the vaccine is a bridge, you still don’t get to the other side because you don’t even get on the bridge. This is the problem with analogies, though. The vaccine is not a bridge. People take the vaccine to avoid getting covid, and it’s 95% effective at preventing you from getting it. And even if you DO get it after being vaccinated, you’re less likely to get seriously sick and less likely to die than without it.

Regardless, your criticism of Bob because his numbers were supposedly wrong was unwarranted, because his numbers were basically right. It’s yours that we’re wrong, not his, which was my only point.
In your evaluation, if people are taking the vaccine to get to the other side, and if only 95% get there, then there would be 4.997% (lawsuits ??) failing to receive the expected results. So while they are “safe”, the people still didn’t get to the other side aka the expected result. And there are other options to get to the other side, and maybe most wouldn’t agree that swimming is a good option, but people could still swim to the other side (in this analogy contract COVID and get immunity) and avoid the bridge altogether. Sure people could drown swimming (die from COVID w/o a vaccine), but the “safe” alternative you offer, results in people falling of the bridge (which could shorten there destination, aka easier to survive but could also be injured in their journey). Healthy people could opt to say “F it” and swim (no vaccination and get COVID and take their chance on surviving) or choose to stay put and not go at all (never contract COVID and not get the vaccination).

the 1 in 100,000 you state sure seems like a stretch…as according to the CDC the death rate is 1.8/100,000. Now maybe some of those aren’t directly link to the vaccination, but I would need a source to believe that number is at or lower than 0.001% or the 1/100,000 you stated. This also doesn’t include other adverse reactions, stated to occur at about 100,000 in 334MM vaccinations. The numbers below also don’t include the 5% that could inevitably contract COVID and have adverse health events after being infected.

BTW, the death is actually double when you take into account that people need 2 shots (6,079/186MM vaccinated = 0.0032%) which is well above the 1/100,000 you stated and above Bobs “safe rate”

From the CDC

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause

 
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In your evaluation, if people are taking the vaccine to get to the other side, and if only 95% get there, then there would be 4.997% lawsuits in failing to deliver the expected results. So while they are “safe”, the people still didn’t get the expected result. And there are other options to get to the other side, and maybe most wouldn’t agree that swimming is a good option, but people could still swim to the other side (in this analogy contract COVID and get immunity). Sure people could drown swimming, but the “safe” alternative you offer, results in people falling of the bridge (which could shorten there destination, aka easier to survive but could also be injured in their journey). healthy people could opt to say “F it” and swim (no vaccination and get COVID and take their chance on surviving) or choose to stay put and not go at all (never contract COVID and not get the vaccination).

the 1 in 100,000 you state sure seems like a stretch…as according to the CDC the death rate is 1.8/100,000. Now maybe some of those aren’t directly link to the vaccination, but I would need a source to believe that number is substantially at or lower than 0.001%. This also doesn’t include other adverse reactions, stated to occur at about 100,000 in 334MM vaccinations. The numbers below also don’t include the 5% that will inevitably contract COVID and have adverse health events.

From the CDC

Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 334 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 12, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,079 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause

I never said 1 in 100,000, you did.

But, I’m not going to respond to all this. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else to take the vaccine or not. The facts are it is demonstrably safe and effective. You criticized Bob for wrong numbers when he wasn’t wrong. How hard is it to admit that?
 
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I never said 1 in 100,000, you did.

But, I’m not going to respond to all this. I’m not trying to convince you or anyone else to take the vaccine or not. The facts are it is demonstrably safe and effective. You criticized Bob for wrong numbers when he wasn’t wrong. How hard is it to admit that?
6,079/186MM = 0.0032% so Bob stated the “death rate” according to the CDC…not really the “safe rate”

the bridge sign sounds different if it says
“99.997% don’t die crossing this bridge”

If the Tacoma Narrows bridge at 5k people cross it to and from work over the 100 days it was in operation and 3 people died, it would have the same death rate as Bobs bridge.
 
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6,079/186MM = 0.0032% so Bob stated the “death rate” according to the CDC…not really the “safe rate”
Doesn’t change the fact that you tried to refute him with a completely different stat. Bob’s image said “99.997% safe.” You said, “no, it’s only 95% effective.” Basically, Bob said “there are 100 apples” and you responded with, “no, there are only 97 oranges.”
 
Doesn’t change the fact that you tried to refute him with a completely different stat. Bob’s image said “99.997% safe.” You said, “no, it’s only 95% effective.” Basically, Bob said “there are 100 apples” and you responded with, “no, there are only 97 oranges.”
If 0.0032% die, is it really 99.997% ”safe”? Especially when you factor in the other health effects. Not really.
 
Doesn’t change the fact that you tried to refute him with a completely different stat. Bob’s image said “99.997% safe.” You said, “no, it’s only 95% effective.” Basically, Bob said “there are 100 apples” and you responded with, “no, there are only 97 oranges.”
Actually, I responded with the Tacoma Narrows bridge to start.
 
If it will save my life, yes, I'll keep dancing. Sure beats having ignorant and foolish people telling me to resist the vaccine and then dying needlessly.



Long haul COVID has some nasty effects, too. It's nice to have an education in math and science to properly assess risk here.
Common sense really. If people don’t want to get it that’s on them. Only 25% of minorities have had the shot. I can’t believe they’re actually listening to what Fox News is telling them. 😜
 
Translation: you’ve been totally fine. Everyone around you has been totally fine too. So you’re just lying.
Just lying…nope. I know several people including family that now won’t get the vaccine. And, I don’t blame them. They’re young and healthy and no need to get it. African American community only has 25% of their population vaccinated. You better head to the inner city to tell them to stop watching Fox News.
 
Why has only 25% of the African American community had the vaccine. Oh yes, they’re watching Fox News lololol. You’re a fool.
You're a fool if you don't understand the historical reasons many blacks aren't getting vaccinated.

To presume all demographics think and behave the same on vaccinations and for the same reasons is also pretty close minded. No one is saying all people aren't getting the vaccine because of Fox or any other right wing influence. But it's all or nothing with you people.
 
Just lying…nope. I know several people including family that now won’t get the vaccine. And, I don’t blame them. They’re young and healthy and no need to get it. African American community only has 25% of their population vaccinated. You better head to the inner city to tell them to stop watching Fox News.
Well all I can say is that since your friends and family are refusing it because they’re inhaling misinformation and you’re feeding them the same bullshit, then enjoy attending some funerals.
 
You're a fool if you don't understand the historical reasons many blacks aren't getting vaccinated.

To presume all demographics think and behave the same on vaccinations and for the same reasons is also pretty close minded. No one is saying all people aren't getting the vaccine because of Fox or any other right wing influence. But it's all or nothing with you people.
You’re saying everyone should be vaccinated and it’s Trumps fault they aren’t. The posts on here are blaming Fox News and Trump. You included. To say they shouldn’t trust a vaccine because of what happened way in the past is like saying they should never get on a boat either.
 
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Well all I can say is that since your friends and family are refusing it because they’re inhaling misinformation and you’re feeding them the same bullshit, then enjoy attending some funerals.
LOL; several have already had the virus. Runny nose, loss of smell a couple days. They Are all very healthy and take care of themselves. None of them are obese so they have no need to worry. Unhealthy, fat people should worry. If you’ve stayed healthy, they have, you should be in good shape if you get the disease. 95% of all deaths are from severely obese individuals. No funerals to attend here. We don’t live in fear like the lefty liberals.
 
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Well all I can say is that since your friends and family are refusing it because they’re inhaling misinformation and you’re feeding them the same bullshit, then enjoy attending some funerals.
Do you have any idea what the death rate is if you get the Wuhan virus? Serious question.
 
LOL; several have already had the virus. Runny nose, loss of smell a couple days. They Are all very healthy and take care of themselves. None of them are obese so they have no need to worry. Unhealthy, fat people should worry. If you’ve stayed healthy, they have, you should be in good shape if you get the disease. 95% of all deaths are from severely obese individuals. No funerals to attend here. We don’t live in fear like the lefty liberals.
I’m not scared either so you’re free to shove that idiotic narrative right up your righteous, lying ass.

I guess congrats to people you know not dying. Doesn’t mean they (and you) aren’t responsible for spreading lies about the vaccine and being directly responsible for this thing continuing to drag on. Not that you care, of course.
 
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You’re saying everyone should be vaccinated and it’s Trumps fault they aren’t. The posts on here are blaming Fox News and Trump. You included. To say they shouldn’t trust a vaccine because of what happened way in the past is like saying they should never get on a boat either.
No, I'm not saying it's Trump's fault everyone isn't vaccinated. Said nothing of the kind. You guys interpret things based on on your firm belief that trump has been unfairly accused and targeted.......for everything.

I've asked the same question about trump 15 times. The vaccine was one of Trump's greatest accomplishments......and he'll be more than happy to tell you that. Then why isn't he encouraging people to get it?

He isn't actively spreading disinformation or encouraging people not to get the vaccine. Says something here or there......but to do that would be taking away from his accomplishment. But by also not encouraging it, he's straddling the line.........because he knows he will piss off a portion of his base who are anti vax.

Fox and pubs in Congress and other media are far more active in spreading disinformation and discouraging the vaccine. Trump isn't acting like them.

As for your dismissal for why blacks aren't getting vaccinated, you'll have to take that up with them. I tend to agree with you but then my ancestors weren't used as human guinea pigs without their knowledge. Not sure how I would feel.

Considering blacks are 13% of the population, their percentages of vaccination have far less effect.
 
I’m not scared either so you’re free to shove that idiotic narrative right up your righteous, lying ass.

I guess congrats to people you know not dying. Doesn’t mean they (and you) aren’t responsible for spreading lies about the vaccine and being directly responsible for this thing continuing to drag on. Not that you care, of course.
Lolololol, you’re welcome. I am righteous and I’m glad you acknowledge that. Now you can begin to see where I stand and you stand. Behave yourself, I’m watching and you now know where you fall in the pecking order.
 
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