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Trump's decision not to lower flag

Got up mad early today to get a run in before the soupy air gets super heated.

Goal now is for you to have ~10 alerts by lunch time.
soupy is too nice. more like the black cauldron. (for the 80s kids)
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I'm curious about the focus on identifying people as being "triggered" or "you have TDS". It seems an odd preoccupation in civil discourse today in how often we seem to crow with delight at inflicting some kind of verbal barb that elicits jolts of spasmodic rage...even when it seems people are just replying in what seems to be fairly normal parameters of reply.

I was involved in many formal policy debates in my day and not once did I look across at my opponent and say "Ahh, You're triggered!"...as if the mere mention of it grants it some immediate veracity. Believe me, I once got a liberal opponent so agitated that he was flailing his arms in reply to my point on capital gains tax policy that he accidently knocked the water glass from his table and it smashed against the wall. Even then, I wouldn't have said it.

The "own the lib/cons" mentality seems a very strange fixation. I like what Nikki Haley said about its lack of utility at advancing our ideas. I'm not isolating you specifically in this, just interested since you mentioned both triggering and TDS on this one post page.
I’m not sure what kind of place you’ve been frequenting, Scheff, but in this day and age, love of political party has become increasingly a team sport. Some wear red and some wear blue. It’s not realistic to compare what you’ve experienced in formal policy debates with what happens on social media and internet chat boards. Now, if left-leaning folks think you support anything about Trump, you’re labeled as a “Trumptard”,”deplorable” (I actually like this term), “irredeemable”, “racist”, “misogynist”, “homophobic”, someone who “clings to their guns and religion”, “low IQ”, “uneducated”, “uncultured”.........

In my case, I used to be an Establishment R. I loved Reagan (who in my mind was not an Establishment R like the Bushes, Kasich, Flake, etc.) I liked GHWB - at first. He famously said “Read my lips, no new taxes!” Then what did he do? He raised taxes. This upset me and I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Slick Willie won that year.

I liked GWB - at first. Over time, I got sick of all the high-minded rhetoric and “good morals” he seemed to espouse all the while the country was seemingly falling apart. He used 9/11 as an excuse to ram the Patriot Act through. There didn’t seem to be a war or conflict he didn’t want to drag the country into (nation building - at a high cost of blood and treasure). He seemed much more worried about every country but our own after his first term. There were obvious problems that he seemed incapable of solving or just willfully ignorant in acknowledging.

Then came Obama. At first I liked the idea that he might actually improve race relations in this country. Instead he deployed the most cynical sort of identity politics I’ve ever seen. He led from behind on the world stage. His red line in Syria evaporated - it was an apparition. He was feckless. Iraq went to hell again. He pushed for regime change in Libya and our own people died for no apparently good reason. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He went way overboard with regulation. He pushed for socialized medicine. The economy improved vs 2008, but it was a tepid recovery because of his policies and regulations. He said we had to accept “the new normal”. In my mind, he was the worst President we’ve had since Jimmy Carter because of his policies. (Carter was and is an honorable man but was a terrible President. It seemed he was wrong on just about every issue.)

Then came Trump. He beat the Establishment Rs (17 of them) and then he beat the Clinton machine. He speaks his mind and isn’t politically correct like his predecessors. He actually tries to do what he said he would do. He is a flawed man. He is very strong-willed, which can be a strength but also a weakness at the same time. He is continually attacked in the mainstream media. It’s a never-ending outrage machine. The smallest things are blown up into huge calamities. Very few people could take the abuse he’s suffered and continue to push ahead. Sometimes his damage is self-inflicted. Personally, I think Trump is exactly what this nation needed at this time in history. As many on here will attest, I was an early adopter of Trump. Many said he didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but when I visited places in the South, Midwest, and Mountain states prior to the election I was impressed with the level of support he garnered. His support was much stronger than I would have imagined. There are millions of people who will not publically say they support him, but privately they do because they see he’s trying to reinvigorate our nation economically and he’s not beholden to big money interests. He is a flawed individual who I think was raised to believe that he could do anything he set his mind to doing. If someone tells him he can’t do something, he will do everything in his power to prove them wrong. He’s big on loyalty. Those he thinks have slighted him, he will try to bury them. It’s unfortunate that he and McCain had such a petty, spiteful relationship. They are both at fault and neither seemed willing to be the better man. I wish Trump had tried to be the better man. I’m not sure it’s in Trump’s DNA to do so.

So after that diatribe, why do I use the terms “triggered” and TDS? Because I am regularly attacked on this board by lefties for promoting Trump’s policies. For many, it’s a matter of gamesmanship. I am a Trump supporter who leans conservative. I get flack from Socialists, Establishment Ds, and Never Trumpers on here because I dare to support Trump’s policies. (Don’t you know that he’s the most evil man to ever have walked the planet, Scheff?)

I enjoy the back-and-forth on here and the discussions. There are many highly-intelligent, well-versed people on this board. There are also some who are willfully ignorant. Some are quite fun to troll and get riled up. They get extremely emotional and are truly blinded by their hate of the President.
 
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I’m not sure what kind of place you’ve been frequenting, Scheff, but in this day and age, love of political party has become increasingly a team sport. Some wear red and some wear blue. It’s not realistic to compare what you’ve experienced in formal policy debates with what happens on social media and internet chat boards. Now, if left-leaning folks think you support anything about Trump, you’re labeled as a “Trumptard”,”deplorable” (I actually like this term), “irredeemable”, “racist”, “misogynist”, “homophobic”, someone who “clings to their guns and religion”, “low IQ”, “uneducated”, “uncultured”.........

In my case, I used to be an Establishment R. I loved Reagan (who in my mind was not an Establishment R like the Bushes, Kasich, Flake, etc.) I liked GHWB - at first. He famously said “Read my lips, no new taxes!” Then what did he do? He raised taxes. This upset me and I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Slick Willie won that year.

I liked GWB - at first. Over time, I got sick of all the high-minded rhetoric and “good morals” he seemed to espouse all the while the country was seemingly falling apart. He used 9/11 as an excuse to ram the Patriot Act through. There didn’t seem to be a war or conflict he didn’t want to drag the country into (nation building - at a high cost of blood and treasure). He seemed much more worried about every country but our own after his first term. There were obvious problems that he seemed incapable of solving or just willfully ignorant in acknowledging.

Then came Obama. At first I liked the idea that he might actually improve race relations in this country. Instead he deployed the most cynical sort of identity politics I’ve ever seen. He led from behind on the world stage. His red line in Syria evaporated - it was an apparition. He was feckless. Iraq went to hell again. He pushed for regime change in Libya and our own people died for no apparently good reason. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He went way overboard with regulation. He pushed for socialized medicine. The economy improved vs 2008, but it was a tepid recovery because of his policies and regulations. He said we had to accept “the new normal”. In my mind, he was the worst President we’ve had since Jimmy Carter because of his policies. (Carter was and is an honorable man but was a terrible President. It seemed he was wrong on just about every issue.)

Then came Trump. He beat the Establishment Rs (17 of them) and then he beat the Clinton machine. He speaks his mind and isn’t politically correct like his predecessors. He actually tries to do what he said he would do. He is a flawed man. He is very strong-willed, which can be a strength but also a weakness at the same time. He is continually attacked in the mainstream media. It’s a never-ending outrage machine. The smallest things are blown up into huge calamities. Very few people could take the abuse he’s suffered and continue to push ahead. Sometimes his damage is self-inflicted. Personally, I think Trump is exactly what this nation needed at this time in history. As many on here will attest, I was an early adopter of Trump. Many said he didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but when I visited places in the South, Midwest, and Mountain states prior to the election I was impressed with the level of support he garnered. His support was much stronger than I would have imagined. There are millions of people who will not publically say they support him, but privately they do because they see he’s trying to reinvigorate our nation economically and he’s not beholden to big money interests. He is a flawed individual who I think was raised to believe that he could do anything he set his mind to doing. If someone tells him he can’t do something, he will do everything in his power to prove them wrong. He’s big on loyalty. Those he thinks have slighted him, he will try to bury them. It’s unfortunate that he and McCain had such a petty, spiteful relationship. They are both at fault and neither seemed willing to be the better man. I wish Trump had tried to be the better man. I’m not sure it’s in Trump’s DNA to do so.

So after that diatribe, why do I use the terms “triggered” and TDS? Because I am regularly attacked on this board by lefties for promoting Trump’s policies. For many, it’s a matter of gamesmanship. I am a Trump supporter who leans conservative. I get flack from Socialists, Establishment Ds, and Never Trumpers on here because I dare to support Trump’s policies. (Don’t you know that he’s the most evil man to ever have walked the planet, Scheff?)

I enjoy the back-and-forth on here and the discussions. There are many highly-intelligent, well-versed people on this board. There are also some who are willfully ignorant. Some are quite fun to troll and get riled up. They get extremely emotional and are truly blinded by their hate of the President.


So only people on the left get riled up, emotional and are willfully ignorant? But no one on the right?

That's a great way to start an intelligent conversation.
 
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Get outta here with this garbage.

Not to mention that McCain lost to Obama in a Presidential election and Obama is eulogizing McCain. They weren't pals and disagreed on most things....but Obama didn't say he was a loser for being captured and McCain didn't play along with the conspiracy theories on Obama.

It's called civility.
 
All of that is fine and I agree with it because I admired McCain - I'd wager moreso and more deeply than anyone posting in this thread - but I believe the subject of this thread was the flag, was it not? Did the White House not follow Federal law and establish protocol? (Hint: the answer to both of those questions is "yes".) So, "selective outrage" about the half-staffing of the flag by a bunch of people who, frankly, don't know what the F they're talking about with respect to "precedent" and "protocol".

Well, first off - there's a picture of Trump next to selective outrage in the dictionary for crying out loud.

Secondly, if it was a-ok, then why did they literally re-do lowering the flag? Multiple veterans groups - not really liberal bastions - ripped Trump for his handling of the situation. If you consider veterans groups "not knowing what the F they're talking about", then ok.
 
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#triggered

Speaking of triggered, Trump is focusing his efforts on Google search results not being "fair" to him today. Seems worthy of his attention.....oh wait, he saw it on Fox News.

Yep. Getting pissed off at algorithms to own the libs. I can see why SD felt the need to write a thesis defending his unabashed love of Trump. When even the search engines are against you then you know everyone is out to get you.
 
Yep. Getting pissed off at algorithms to own the libs. I can see why SD felt the need to write a thesis defending his unabashed love of Trump. When even the search engines are against you then you know everyone is out to get you.
Exhibit A about what I said. Attack, attack, attack. My love for Trump is not unabashed, but I like him more than both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama. He is a flawed man. So am I. So are you.
 
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Yep. Getting pissed off at algorithms to own the libs. I can see why SD felt the need to write a thesis defending his unabashed love of Trump. When even the search engines are against you then you know everyone is out to get you.
Exhibit A about what I said. Attack, attack, attack. My love for Trump is not unabashed, but I like him more than both Bushes, Clinton, and Obama. He is a flawed man. So am I. So are you.

Your half-assed attempt at a philosophical response would carry an ounce of weight if you weren’t a complete hypocrite and didn’t attack, attack, attack as well. Go cry somewhere else.
 
Your half-assed attempt at a philosophical response would carry an ounce of weight if you weren’t a complete hypocrite and didn’t attack, attack, attack as well. Go cry somewhere else.
You are seemingly all emotional outrage all of the time. Very little substantive commentary. The triggered and TDS labels fit you to a “T”.
 
Your half-assed attempt at a philosophical response would carry an ounce of weight if you weren’t a complete hypocrite and didn’t attack, attack, attack as well. Go cry somewhere else.
You are seemingly all emotional outrage all of the time. Very little substantive commentary. The triggered and TDS labels fit you to a “T”.

“You’re emotional” says the person who wrote an eight paragraph love letter to Trump.
 
Well, first off - there's a picture of Trump next to selective outrage in the dictionary for crying out loud.

Secondly, if it was a-ok, then why did they literally re-do lowering the flag? Multiple veterans groups - not really liberal bastions - ripped Trump for his handling of the situation. If you consider veterans groups "not knowing what the F they're talking about", then ok.
Again, people are entitled to their OPINIONS, but Beth and lots of others are stating that Trump did something wrong as FACT. So yes, "not knowing what the F they're talking about" is a thing.
 
gr8indoorsman: Please reread my post - I did not state as a fact that "Trump did something wrong." I said that I wished that he had handled the whole thing differently as I saw McCain as a hero. I would say the same thing if it were you or another person who had served our country as you and he did. The quote that I included pointed out the irony of this situation and I agreed with the irony of the quote.
 
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Well, first off - there's a picture of Trump next to selective outrage in the dictionary for crying out loud.

Secondly, if it was a-ok, then why did they literally re-do lowering the flag? Multiple veterans groups - not really liberal bastions - ripped Trump for his handling of the situation. If you consider veterans groups "not knowing what the F they're talking about", then ok.

So Trump and McCain did not get along to the point McCain evantually said he did not want Trump at his funeral. That is what was reported, no idea if true.

What I would have done if Trump in that situation, lower the flag til day after interment. Issue a short three to four sentence statement both praising and thanking McCain. No reason to do more if those were indeed McCain's wishes. And stay the heck away from the funeral.

Unfortunately, we all know by now Trump is not going to take the high road, stay quiet, and keep his foot out of his mouth. It will turn into a pissing contest-that is him.

No idea why they changed it to lowering the flag. There was no reason to in terms of right or wrong(which is opinion) or precedent. Protocol was met. My guess is later in the week we will read about Mattis and Kelly confronting Trump about the decision.

As for the veterans groups, no bigger way way to destroy your own credibility than run your mouth acting like they know the protocol and ritual of flag ceremony and in reality are clueless about it. To the groups that came out and said we thought he should be honored more-fine. Their opinion and they are entitled to it.
 
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gr8indoorsman: Please reread my post - I did not state as a fact that "Trump did something wrong." I said that I wished that he had handled the whole thing differently as I saw McCain as a hero. I would say the same thing if it were you or another person who had served our country as you and he did. The quote that I included pointed out the irony of this situation and I agreed with the irony of the quote.
I read your post. You also said:
I did not write this but I think the following quote is appropriate:
"Oh, I see, White House. By raising the flag back to full mast prematurely, you’re saying that it’s ok to use the symbols of this country as vehicles for protest, but only if the protest is personal, spiteful, and childish. Got it. Thanks."
He didn't raise it back to full mast "prematurely". He raised it back up in accordance with protocol. If you don't like that, that's different. But I interpret your endorsement of that quote as "appropriate" to mean that you believe he factually did something wrong, which he did not - neither by precedent (which there is no standard precedent, different admins have done different things) nor by protocol.
 
I did not write this but I think the following quote is appropriate:
"Oh, I see, White House. By raising the flag back to full mast prematurely, you’re saying that it’s ok to use the symbols of this country as vehicles for protest, but only if the protest is personal, spiteful, and childish. Got it. Thanks."

I saw John McCain as a war hero. I wish that the President had chosen a less personal and vindictive approach to this decision. It would have been more appropriate to keep the flag lowered until internment as has been the decision in the past. Now we are all thinking about this issue instead of about the death of a long-serving senator who loved his country.
Protocol was served as stated. And President Trump lowered it again for the duration of his time before burial. At least he didn't lower it for a foreign leader as Obama did for Nelson Mandela, which is totally beyond the rules of lowering it. It is supposed to be for American citizens only.
 
I appreciated mccain in his younger years. Lately all he did was remind of why we so desperately need term limits. As for trump...well, did you expect a parade? haha ba-dum-cht!
McCain ran on implementing term limits and voted against them every time they were brought up. While I feel for his family losing one to a disease that took the life of my wife, I have no love lost for a man who made the entire world about himself.
 
I did not write this but I think the following quote is appropriate:
"Oh, I see, White House. By raising the flag back to full mast prematurely, you’re saying that it’s ok to use the symbols of this country as vehicles for protest, but only if the protest is personal, spiteful, and childish. Got it. Thanks."

I saw John McCain as a war hero. I wish that the President had chosen a less personal and vindictive approach to this decision. It would have been more appropriate to keep the flag lowered until internment as has been the decision in the past. Now we are all thinking about this issue instead of about the death of a long-serving senator who loved his country.
Protocol was served as stated. And President Trump lowered it again for the duration of his time before burial. At least he didn't lower it for a foreign leader as Obama did for Nelson Mandela, which is totally beyond the rules of lowering it. It is supposed to be for American citizens only.

Try again.

https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/celebrate/halfstaff.pdf
 
So Trump and McCain did not get along to the point McCain evantually said he did not want Trump at his funeral. That is what was reported, no idea if true.

What I would have done if Trump in that situation, lower the flag til day after interment. Issue a short three to four sentence statement both praising and thanking McCain. No reason to do more if those were indeed McCain's wishes. And stay the heck away from the funeral.

Unfortunately, we all know by now Trump is not going to take the high road, stay quiet, and keep his foot out of his mouth. It will turn into a pissing contest-that is him.

No idea why they changed it to lowering the flag. There was no reason to in terms of right or wrong(which is opinion) or precedent. Protocol was met. My guess is later in the week we will read about Mattis and Kelly confronting Trump about the decision.

As for the veterans groups, no bigger way way to destroy your own credibility than run your mouth acting like they know the protocol and ritual of flag ceremony and in reality are clueless about it. To the groups that came out and said we thought he should be honored more-fine. Their opinion and they are entitled to it.
Trump did as he should have done. But then, he lowered it again for the duration and yet you're still busting his chops. You'd be unhappy if he cured world hunger.
 
I’m not sure what kind of place you’ve been frequenting, Scheff, but in this day and age, love of political party has become increasingly a team sport. Some wear red and some wear blue. It’s not realistic to compare what you’ve experienced in formal policy debates with what happens on social media and internet chat boards. Now, if left-leaning folks think you support anything about Trump, you’re labeled as a “Trumptard”,”deplorable” (I actually like this term), “irredeemable”, “racist”, “misogynist”, “homophobic”, someone who “clings to their guns and religion”, “low IQ”, “uneducated”, “uncultured”.........

In my case, I used to be an Establishment R. I loved Reagan (who in my mind was not an Establishment R like the Bushes, Kasich, Flake, etc.) I liked GHWB - at first. He famously said “Read my lips, no new taxes!” Then what did he do? He raised taxes. This upset me and I voted for Ross Perot in 1992. Slick Willie won that year.

I liked GWB - at first. Over time, I got sick of all the high-minded rhetoric and “good morals” he seemed to espouse all the while the country was seemingly falling apart. He used 9/11 as an excuse to ram the Patriot Act through. There didn’t seem to be a war or conflict he didn’t want to drag the country into (nation building - at a high cost of blood and treasure). He seemed much more worried about every country but our own after his first term. There were obvious problems that he seemed incapable of solving or just willfully ignorant in acknowledging.

Then came Obama. At first I liked the idea that he might actually improve race relations in this country. Instead he deployed the most cynical sort of identity politics I’ve ever seen. He led from behind on the world stage. His red line in Syria evaporated - it was an apparition. He was feckless. Iraq went to hell again. He pushed for regime change in Libya and our own people died for no apparently good reason. He pushed for regime change in Egypt. He went way overboard with regulation. He pushed for socialized medicine. The economy improved vs 2008, but it was a tepid recovery because of his policies and regulations. He said we had to accept “the new normal”. In my mind, he was the worst President we’ve had since Jimmy Carter because of his policies. (Carter was and is an honorable man but was a terrible President. It seemed he was wrong on just about every issue.)

Then came Trump. He beat the Establishment Rs (17 of them) and then he beat the Clinton machine. He speaks his mind and isn’t politically correct like his predecessors. He actually tries to do what he said he would do. He is a flawed man. He is very strong-willed, which can be a strength but also a weakness at the same time. He is continually attacked in the mainstream media. It’s a never-ending outrage machine. The smallest things are blown up into huge calamities. Very few people could take the abuse he’s suffered and continue to push ahead. Sometimes his damage is self-inflicted. Personally, I think Trump is exactly what this nation needed at this time in history. As many on here will attest, I was an early adopter of Trump. Many said he didn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected, but when I visited places in the South, Midwest, and Mountain states prior to the election I was impressed with the level of support he garnered. His support was much stronger than I would have imagined. There are millions of people who will not publically say they support him, but privately they do because they see he’s trying to reinvigorate our nation economically and he’s not beholden to big money interests. He is a flawed individual who I think was raised to believe that he could do anything he set his mind to doing. If someone tells him he can’t do something, he will do everything in his power to prove them wrong. He’s big on loyalty. Those he thinks have slighted him, he will try to bury them. It’s unfortunate that he and McCain had such a petty, spiteful relationship. They are both at fault and neither seemed willing to be the better man. I wish Trump had tried to be the better man. I’m not sure it’s in Trump’s DNA to do so.

So after that diatribe, why do I use the terms “triggered” and TDS? Because I am regularly attacked on this board by lefties for promoting Trump’s policies. For many, it’s a matter of gamesmanship. I am a Trump supporter who leans conservative. I get flack from Socialists, Establishment Ds, and Never Trumpers on here because I dare to support Trump’s policies. (Don’t you know that he’s the most evil man to ever have walked the planet, Scheff?)

I enjoy the back-and-forth on here and the discussions. There are many highly-intelligent, well-versed people on this board. There are also some who are willfully ignorant. Some are quite fun to troll and get riled up. They get extremely emotional and are truly blinded by their hate of the President.
Well stated, and if I may I'll use your words as my statement about Trump. May he serve for two full terms, and get a congress that will allow him to complete his mission.
 
McCain ran on implementing term limits and voted against them every time they were brought up. While I feel for his family losing one to a disease that took the life of my wife, I have no love lost for a man who made the entire world about himself.
do you think we will see the subject of term limits again soon?
that was something trump campaigned on.
 
Trump did as he should have done. But then, he lowered it again for the duration and yet you're still busting his chops. You'd be unhappy if he cured world hunger.

Some people on here will get a kick out of this
 
Well stated, and if I may I'll use your words as my statement about Trump. May he serve for two full terms, and get a congress that will allow him to complete his mission.
Thank you. I hope he gets to serve a full 2 terms but I think the blue team and Never Trumpers will make it their mission in life to make sure, if he wins in 2020, that he doesn’t serve the full 4 years. I think President Pence is a distinct possibility by 2023.
 
Well stated, and if I may I'll use your words as my statement about Trump. May he serve for two full terms, and get a congress that will allow him to complete his mission.
Thank you. I hope he gets to serve a full 2 terms but I think the blue team and Never Trumpers will make it their mission in life to make sure, if he wins in 2020, that he doesn’t serve the full 4 years. I think President Pence is a distinct possibility by 2023.

Pence would be an absolute nightmare. Unlike Trump, he’s smart. And he would love nothing more than to make America 1950 again.
 
Pence would be an absolute nightmare. Unlike Trump, he’s smart. And he would love nothing more than to make America 1950 again.
Trump is a billionaire who built a real estate empire, went to Wharton for Finance, and managed to beat 17 Rs and the Clinton machine to win the Presidency. But you say he's not smart. OK. Whatever. I think if you ever met Trump, you'd quickly realize that he is quite intelligent. He may not be the best at expressing himself loquaciously at times, but he is far from dumb.
 
Uh, Federal law - and the link you posted - states for whom and for how long the flag is to be at half-staff. It also gives the president latitude to make exceptions. Strict protocol for a sitting US Senator is day of death through sunset the following day - Saturday and Sunday in this case. Protocol was served. I'm not sure what you think you proved.
 
Pence would be an absolute nightmare. Unlike Trump, he’s smart. And he would love nothing more than to make America 1950 again.
Trump is a billionaire who built a real estate empire, went to Wharton for Finance, and managed to beat 17 Rs and the Clinton machine to win the Presidency. But you say he's not smart. OK. Whatever. I think if you ever met Trump, you'd quickly realize that he is quite intelligent. He may not be the best at expressing himself loquaciously at times, but he is far from dumb.

Kellyanne, is that you? Damn dude, we get it, you are absolutely positively over the moon in love with The Donald. There’s no need to try and prove it in every post.
 
I did not write this but I think the following quote is appropriate:
"Oh, I see, White House. By raising the flag back to full mast prematurely, you’re saying that it’s ok to use the symbols of this country as vehicles for protest, but only if the protest is personal, spiteful, and childish. Got it. Thanks."

I saw John McCain as a war hero. I wish that the President had chosen a less personal and vindictive approach to this decision. It would have been more appropriate to keep the flag lowered until internment as has been the decision in the past. Now we are all thinking about this issue instead of about the death of a long-serving senator who loved his country.

So I’m supposed to ask... your criticism of trump in relation to this means you’re an establishment democrat or no? Before I make the mistake of proceeding without asking (only to find out I was right about the persons beliefs anyway) ... can I get a hand count on registered Democrats who want to go on and on about what a virtuous man John Mccain was?
 
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Uh, Federal law - and the link you posted - states for whom and for how long the flag is to be at half-staff. It also gives the president latitude to make exceptions. Strict protocol for a sitting US Senator is day of death through sunset the following day - Saturday and Sunday in this case. Protocol was served. I'm not sure what you think you proved.

I was talking about his comment about Mandela. Sorry, should have been clear about that.
 
I was talking about his comment about Mandela. Sorry, should have been clear about that.
I see. Yes, that was also protocol, though I agree we should not half staff the flag for foreigners except on extremely rare occasion. We went over this in another thread I think, and it was a good discussion.
 
I was talking about his comment about Mandela. Sorry, should have been clear about that.
I see. Yes, that was also protocol, though I agree we should not half staff the flag for foreigners except on extremely rare occasion. We went over this in another thread I think, and it was a good discussion.
Which foreign dignitary it should be lowered for is semantics at this point. I was only referring to his comment that it’s against the rules for anyone outside of this country, which isn’t true.
 
Trump is a billionaire who built a real estate empire, went to Wharton for Finance, and managed to beat 17 Rs and the Clinton machine to win the Presidency. But you say he's not smart. OK. Whatever. I think if you ever met Trump, you'd quickly realize that he is quite intelligent. He may not be the best at expressing himself loquaciously at times, but he is far from dumb.

No, he went to Fordham and then his dad (who also loaned him a million dollars to start his "empire") pulled some strings to get him to transfer to Penn, where he was a below average student.

His "empire" was a house of cards and largely built via exploiting bankruptcy laws and ripping off contractors.

Also, this is the moron who killed the USFL by pitting it up directly against the NFL in the fall (another reason he has an axe to grind with the NFL).

The "genius businessman" narrative is utterly laughable.
 
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No, he went to Fordham and then his dad (who also loaned him a million dollars to start his "empire") pulled some strings to get him to transfer to Penn, where he was a below average student.

His "empire" was a house of cards and largely built via exploiting bankruptcy laws and ripping off contractors.

Also, this is the moron who killed the USFL by pitting it up directly against the NFL in the fall (another reason he has an axe to grind with the NFL).

The "genius businessman" narrative is utterly laughable.
Trump successfully sued the NFL and won a $3.00 judgment thus ending the USFL. A lot of his partners in that venture will never forgive him. Trump probably has some record for the most lawsuits that have he has filed or have been filed against him in US courts somewhere over 5,000.
 
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