TKR

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Biggest potential X factor on the team? (probably)
Another big scoring threat would take a lot of pressure off Zack. As will our guards being better and more of what we saw early on.
What I really liked in the scrimmage was Trey's ability to get to the basket. Even when seemingly well defended he just forced his way in very aggressively, and against an aggressively playing Caleb Furst. Was very impressive. More so than making the baskets. Has the Po to make this team much more dangerous.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Biggest potential X factor on the team? (probably)
Another big scoring threat would take a lot of pressure off Zack. As will our guards being better and more of what we saw early on.
What I really liked in the scrimmage was Trey's ability to get to the basket. Even when seemingly well defended he just forced his way in very aggressively, and against an aggressively playing Caleb Furst. Was very impressive. More so than making the baskets. Has the Po to make this team much more dangerous.

True, an aggressive 4 would help, but Purdue needs better productivity @ 2 & 3 too. Hopefully, Colvin & Heide accomplish improvement level there.

 

[titaniumbolt]

True, an aggressive 4 would help, but Purdue needs better productivity @ 2 & 3 too. Hopefully, Colvin & Heide accomplish improvement level there.

Agree, I think Colvin is the biggest X factor

 

[Emartin70287]

I dont think Colvin is an x factor. I think he factors into the equation of course. I think it comes down to how much our returning players have returned. Can Furst be more of a threat? Our guards score more efficiently? The newcomers will have their place.

 

[Boiler Buck]

I dont think Colvin is an x factor. I think he factors into the equation of course. I think it comes down to how much our returning players have returned. Can Furst be more of a threat? Our guards score more efficiently? The newcomers will have their place.

Perhaps Smith was ok from 3??, but wasn't impressed with shooting % of returning players from distance in overseas games, especially given weak competition. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Colvin shined there from 3, in that regard I believe. Not sure, but I think Heide was ok too from 3 when he played, but would have to check stats on that?

 

[Heads up BOILER]

Perhaps Smith was ok from 3??, but wasn't impressed with shooting % of returning players from distance in overseas games, especially given weak competition. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Colvin shined there from 3, in that regard I believe. Not sure, but I think Heide was ok too from 3 when he played, but would have to check stats on that?

Yes Heide was 3 for 3 and Colvin was 8 for 12… Loyer 7 for 22 had one of the lowest percentages from 3 of regular players except (Furst who was 0 for 1 if you count just 1 attempt) Jones who was 2 for 13. Smith was 3 for 9.

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/purduesports.com/documents/2023/8/14/EUROPE_STATS.pdf?timestamp=20230814045854

 

[Boiler Buck]

Yes Heide was 3 for 3 and Colvin was 8 for 12… Loyer 7 for 22 had one of the lowest percentages from 3 of regular players except (Furst who was 0 for 1 if you count just 1 attempt) Jones who was 2 for 13. Smith was 3 for 9.

https://s3.us-east-2.amazonaws.com/sidearm.nextgen.sites/purduesports.com/documents/2023/8/14/EUROPE_STATS.pdf?timestamp=20230814045854

Excited about Colvin's 3s. Needed.

When you consider the competition, Loyer & Jones 3% very disappointing.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Being good from deep is a critical piece especially for our offense but so is going and getting a 2 when everything has fallen apart and you need to calm the nerves. Look at UCONN and Jordan Hawkins game. Could hit 3s but was also a threat from 2 when the team needed a bucket.

Hope Painter rides hot hands this year.

 

[Smokestack91]

I don't know if TKR shot a 3 on the overseas trip, but his shot look much improved in the scrimmage; and he and Painter said he has been working hard over the summer on his outside shot as well.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Does Painter have a shot doctor on staff? I am guessing it’s not him or Brandon, based on my recollections of their shooting abilities, or lack thereof.

 

[tjreese]

Does Painter have a shot doctor on staff? I am guessing it’s not him or Brandon, based on my recollections of their shooting abilities, or lack thereof.

Not exactly. So a few years ago after the BBall season there was a little breakfast with questions and answers for those with perfect attendance. This may have been after Nojel's first year??? During that segment I asked Matt (can't remember if Ernie had died by then or not) a similar question stating I knew Gene used Erie in the past. Matt said that was illegal (not sure what changed if anything), but offered it being legal then since Ernie worked the camp when Gene did it. I believe that it was a Purdue Basketball Camp and not a Gene Keady Camp which may or may not have factored in. Anyway, I asked it and Matt stated that Gene could do it as he did it back then. Had a lot of respect for Ernie, not only being knowledgeable, and very good, but a really great person. Ernie worked with a lot of colleges...Duke being one and even helped out the Hurleys in high school. He gave me his personal card and cell if I ever had questions...me a nobody. He just loved working with players and helping them become as good a shooter as possible

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Being good from deep is a critical piece especially for our offense but so is going and getting a 2 when everything has fallen apart and you need to calm the nerves. Look at UCONN and Jordan Hawkins game. Could hit 3s but was also a threat from 2 when the team needed a bucket.

Hope Painter rides hot hands this year.

I"d be fine if TKR becomes a real scoring threat and never takes a 3.

 

[Smokestack91]

I"d be fine if TKR becomes a real scoring threat and never takes a 3.

If TKR is at least a threat from 3, it could open up things better for Zach and allow TKR to play more minutes at the 4.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

If TKR is at least a threat from 3, it could open up things better for Zach and allow TKR to play more minutes at the 4.

As well as the other way too. If Edey hits open 3s at 35% or higher, that gives TKR a lot of room to work some undersized guys on the block.

 

[DwaynePurvis00]

As well as the other way too. If Edey hits open 3s at 35% or higher, that gives TKR a lot of room to work some undersized guys on the block.

Painters got to let edey shoot 8 footers first!! But I’m all for watching the Big Maple launch it from deep every now and then 😂

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Painters got to let edey shoot 8 footers first!! But I’m all for watching the Big Maple launch it from deep every now and then 😂

Especially if no one else is hitting the broad side of a barn.

 

[tjreese]

If TKR is at least a threat from 3, it could open up things better for Zach and allow TKR to play more minutes at the 4.

Whatever player that is very effective at any location will draw more than one defenders attention. "IF" Trey and Zach are monsters around the lane, teams will start to drop players to dig at the ball if Trey dribbles into position and there will be open shooters. Sure, if you can get everything you need and be a effective shooter behind the arc that would be great. No team treats all the players on the other team the same. If Trey is effective along with Zach, there will be open 3 pt shots. If the bleeding starts other teams will address the wound with more bodies...especially if the other team has a 4 or 5 that is a worry in picking up fouls

 

[tjreese]

Painters got to let edey shoot 8 footers first!! But I’m all for watching the Big Maple launch it from deep every now and then 😂

My gut thinks (yeah, it does that) we will see Zach shoot some out a bit allowing Trey down low and helping him towards the NBA

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Especially if no one else is hitting the broad side of a barn.

Let it Rain, New Pal....

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Firm believer that Smith, Loyer, Jones, Colvin, Waddell and Heide will shoot all the 3's this team needs. TKR can be a hero and play with Zack just fine shooting the mid range jumpers that "nobody" else wants.

If TKR is at least a threat from 3, it could open up things better for Zach and allow TKR to play more minutes at the

 

[BoilerDaddy]

Firm believer that Smith, Loyer, Jones, Colvin, Waddell and Heide will shoot all the 3's this team needs. TKR can be a hero and play with Zack just fine shooting the mid range jumpers that "nobody" else wants.

Sure, but if TKR shows that he can shoot threes like Hummel and Vince Edwards did, I’d gladly add that to the mix.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Sure, but if TKR shows that he can shoot threes like Hummel and Vince Edwards did, I’d gladly add that to the mix.

And I'll gladly skip it. There are only so many possessions, don't need 3pt attempts on 1/2 of them.

 

[BoilerDaddy]

And I'll gladly skip it. There are only so many possessions, don't need 3pt attempts on 1/2 of them.

Not sure that having the threat at the 4 necessarily leads to more three point attempts. It may open up the lane for more drives. The more outside threats that the defense has to account for, the better.

The issue against FDU last year wasn’t that Purdue took too many threes. The issue is that Purdue shot too poorly from three and FDU didn’t have to respect/guard the perimeter. Purdue needed a couple guys who could step up and make a shot to open up space for Edey. I can’t imagine why you would turn down the threat from the 4. Does it have to be TKR’s primary option? Of course not. But it to prefer not to have the capability makes no sense to me.

 

[tjreese]

And I'll gladly skip it. There are only so many possessions, don't need 3pt attempts on 1/2 of them.

1/2 is waaaay toooo many of them. I don't know how much effort it takes to go through all the games, but wonder if there is a "slight" inverse relationship between shots taken and shots made.

 

[Boiler Buck]

And I'll gladly skip it. There are only so many possessions, don't need 3pt attempts on 1/2 of them.

With our rebounding and claims the team will shoot well from 3 this year, would not bother me if that occured on rare occasion.....would be quite entertaining.

 

[tjreese]

Not sure that having the threat at the 4 necessarily leads to more three point attempts. It may open up the lane for more drives. The more outside threats that the defense has to account for, the better.

The issue against FDU last year wasn’t that Purdue took too many threes. The issue is that Purdue shot too poorly from three and FDU didn’t have to respect/guard the perimeter. Purdue needed a couple guys who could step up and make a shot to open up space for Edey. I can’t imagine why you would turn down the threat from the 4. Does it have to be TKR’s primary option? Of course not. But it to prefer not to have the capability makes no sense to me.

If Trey can hit them...fine. I don't think a team should shoot half their shots behind the arc most generally. One of the things that happened "late" last year was the distance with four behind the arc was perhaps too much or took a bit longer to get the pass to a shooter coming from Zach. With four behind the arc each person is closer together than if only three were behind the arc and the defensive rotations were covering the arc better in some games. I don't think this would be an issue if Zach was equally effective in mid and high post as low post. When Zach is low post, his pass is now longer than if he was up higher, but he isn't equally effective between the low, mid and high post. Now that seems odd in that you can pass the ball quicker than you can run, but the doubling of the ball had Zach struggling at times and his passes were not clean and three defenders on the perimeter covered the four offensive players behind the arc for "some" of the later games. It was almost as though the three defenders were playing zone and just trying to defend the 3 ball. They were not in zone and probably not too worried Purdue would drive the ball on them and so the closeouts were hard.

Teams many times try to get a guy against a zone in the FT line area. The passing opportunities with the ball are best at that location since that is right in the middle of all the action. Like the low post it too keeps a defender honest and so now you hold two defenders for the low and mid/high post and if the defense sends a double or a dig, those three offensive players are more spread out and harder to recover for the defense. I know you and others are aware of this, but sometimes I think we overlook the importance of a player at the blocks and high post or short corner and high post against a zone. This is why "IF" Trey AND Zack are effective playing off each other inside, there will be spacing for the perimeter players since 3 are dividing the arc instead of 4. Course if Trey is a much better shooter behind the arc that will work as well. I just hold the opinion that too many threes and the players don't get mentally into the game as they are when they are more aggressive with the ball AND players going to the basket a bit....and I really like to get in bonus earlier AND THEN use it. Too many games I've seen where a team starts out hitting 3s and everything comes easy...until it doesn't and then the MO has changed and the good guys over the years struggle getting on the same page balancing finesse and aggression.

 

[Gman544]

Threes schmees! Sometimes teams get cold from three. Letting more players shoot them who might be successful is no help in these moments. Last year Purdue had no player who could consistently get his own shot. Hopefully by year end Colvin, Heide, and maybe Jones can help in these moments. Let’s remember last season was terrific until Purdue froze up from three, Zach was surrounded and Purdue had no other options to score.

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

Not sure that having the threat at the 4 necessarily leads to more three point attempts. It may open up the lane for more drives. The more outside threats that the defense has to account for, the better.

The issue against FDU last year wasn’t that Purdue took too many threes. The issue is that Purdue shot too poorly from three and FDU didn’t have to respect/guard the perimeter. Purdue needed a couple guys who could step up and make a shot to open up space for Edey. I can’t imagine why you would turn down the threat from the 4. Does it have to be TKR’s primary option? Of course not. But it to prefer not to have the capability makes no sense to me.

It's not the threat at the 4.
Its the SIX OTHER GUYS that might be better at that and aren't 6'10" and looking a bit tenacious this season.
Maybe you missed it but we got outrebounded in a few games despite Zack last year.
By 13 in one game if memory serves.
We could use another board clearer.
Let the big dog EAT. Let them that can't mix it up in the paint shoot 3's.
Zack, TKR and Caleb ALL need to have a "paint first" mindset. None of them need shoot a single 3 for this to be the best team in the country (at times).
Stomp on teams.
The other teams HOPE we have Zack and TKR 23' from the basket........................
JMO

 

[Schmedly_Whiplash]

If Trey can hit them...fine. I don't think a team should shoot half their shots behind the arc most generally. One of the things that happened "late" last year was the distance with four behind the arc was perhaps too much or took a bit longer to get the pass to a shooter coming from Zach. With four behind the arc each person is closer together than if only three were behind the arc and the defensive rotations were covering the arc better in some games. I don't think this would be an issue if Zach was equally effective in mid and high post as low post. When Zach is low post, his pass is now longer than if he was up higher, but he isn't equally effective between the low, mid and high post. Now that seems odd in that you can pass the ball quicker than you can run, but the doubling of the ball had Zach struggling at times and his passes were not clean and three defenders on the perimeter covered the four offensive players behind the arc for "some" of the later games. It was almost as though the three defenders were playing zone and just trying to defend the 3 ball. They were not in zone and probably not too worried Purdue would drive the ball on them and so the closeouts were hard.

Teams many times try to get a guy against a zone in the FT line area. The passing opportunities with the ball are best at that location since that is right in the middle of all the action. Like the low post it too keeps a defender honest and so now you hold two defenders for the low and mid/high post and if the defense sends a double or a dig, those three offensive players are more spread out and harder to recover for the defense. I know you and others are aware of this, but sometimes I think we overlook the importance of a player at the blocks and high post or short corner and high post against a zone. This is why "IF" Trey AND Zack are effective playing off each other inside, there will be spacing for the perimeter players since 3 are dividing the arc instead of 4. Course if Trey is a much better shooter behind the arc that will work as well. I just hold the opinion that too many threes and the players don't get mentally into the game as they are when they are more aggressive with the ball AND players going to the basket a bit....and I really like to get in bonus earlier AND THEN use it. Too many games I've seen where a team starts out hitting 3s and everything comes easy...until it doesn't and then the MO has changed and the good guys over the years struggle getting on the same page balancing finesse and aggression.

This. And if we have 8 guys that can and do shoot the 3's, we will be taking too many 3's.
With a threat like Zack it's just too easy and too tempting to kick it in, kick it out, 3. And if they aren't going down, we struggle.
I watched Caleb Furst for 3 years of hs ball and the kid can pass it. He's not Trevion, but he's better than he's shown so far by quite a bit. IF he could handle the ball enough to settle down and get comfortable, he could play a wicked high post to Zack's low. (and TKR next year) Not the shooter TKR is but the open looks other guys would get........ mmmmm

 

[tjreese]

This. And if we have 8 guys that can and do shoot the 3's, we will be taking too many 3's.
With a threat like Zack it's just too easy and too tempting to kick it in, kick it out, 3. And if they aren't going down, we struggle.
I watched Caleb Furst for 3 years of hs ball and the kid can pass it. He's not Trevion, but he's better than he's shown so far by quite a bit. IF he could handle the ball enough to settle down and get comfortable, he could play a wicked high post to Zack's low. (and TKR next year) Not the shooter TKR is but the open looks other guys would get........ mmmmm

Caleb has all the physical tools, but needs to develop more offensive skills to a level closer to his physical abilities. Doing that would make him very tough. Some of the issue in some of the posters is that they haven't really seen much of a 3 out 2 in type offense and so it is a concern...and then they see another body 12- 15 feet away from Zach and they have a concern for spacing. I get all that and if Trey is not effective shooting, passing to Zach or getting to his spots then the question will be if Trey is the right 4 for what is needed.

Matt says Trey is a four this year and so I'm guessing I'm not too far off on Matt's view of Trey and Zach...unless Trey is a big surprise shooting behind the arc and drives it on hard closeouts well

 

[BoilerDaddy]

It's not the threat at the 4.
Its the SIX OTHER GUYS that might be better at that and aren't 6'10" and looking a bit tenacious this season.
Maybe you missed it but we got outrebounded in a few games despite Zack last year.
By 13 in one game if memory serves.
We could use another board clearer.
Let the big dog EAT. Let them that can't mix it up in the paint shoot 3's.
Zack, TKR and Caleb ALL need to have a "paint first" mindset. None of them need shoot a single 3 for this to be the best team in the country (at times).
Stomp on teams.
The other teams HOPE we have Zack and TKR 23' from the basket........................
JMO

I want TKR to be capable at scoring at all 3 levels, which will make him more effective at all three levels. I don’t want him to hang around the three point line, hoping to be left alone. I believe that in the modern game, having a 4 that can hit a three is extremely valuable. Robbie Hummel is the best example that Purdue has had of that (not including the Big Dog). Agree to disagree.

 

[tjreese]

I want TKR to be capable at scoring at all 3 levels, which will make him more effective at all three levels. I don’t want him to hang around the three point line, hoping to be left alone. I believe that in the modern game, having a 4 that can hit a three is extremely valuable. Robbie Hummel is the best example that Purdue has had of that (not including the Big Dog). Agree to disagree.

I want a lot of people scoring at all three levels. versatility provides so much. I have no feel for how well Trey will shoot the ball. If he shoots it well, I still hope he can get inside the lane and score. I would like a finesse and physical game...AND to be in bonus with 8 minutes to go if possible...

 

[proudopete]

This team HAS to shoot the three ball better than last year. There are simply too many open looks available to not take advantage of them. The amount doesn’t have to increase but the percentage made has to improve. That one aspect of the game can make this team deadly.