I am a big Jeff Brohm fan; however, it’s time to let him go. He had one winning season since he’s been here.
Time for a new HC
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See I don’t agree but everyone who thought I was the worst person get ready cause here it comes.. I never expected to beat ND lol
I don’t know if you are being serious or not but I will respond as if you are.
Purdue was the worst P5 team when Brohm took over. We had not won more than 1 Big Ten game in 4 straight seasons and were dead last in Big Ten recruiting 3 of the last 4 years when he took over.
Let me be clear. I am not satisfied with sub .500 football which we have had the last couple seasons. However Brohm has done a good job of stopping the bleeding and moving back in the right direction. I believe he has bought himself a few more years to see if he can take the next step. If we make a bowl game this year it would be 3 bowls in 5 years. Based off of where this program was when he took over, that isn’t bad.
Purdue was the worst P5 team when Brohm took over. We had not won more than 1 Big Ten game in 4 straight seasons and were dead last in Big Ten recruiting 3 of the last 4 years when he took over.
Let me be clear. I am not satisfied with sub .500 football which we have had the last couple seasons. However Brohm has done a good job of stopping the bleeding and moving back in the right direction. I believe he has bought himself a few more years to see if he can take the next step. If we make a bowl game this year it would be 3 bowls in 5 years. Based off of where this program was when he took over, that isn’t bad.
Not isn't. Stop it. We are 2 and 1 with a great chance at being 4 and 1 over the next few weeks.
The defense is playing at a high level and if the o line can get it together, the offense will start to hum.
We went on the road to one hostile place to play, and held our own. That isn't a moral victory it shows that we are improving.
I’ll disagree. The immediate improvement his first two years led a lot of people to unrealistic expectations. He took over a dumpster fire. Last year was a mess due to a global pandemic. The defense is headed the right direction. I am confident the offense will get corrected as well.
Please stop - Brohm is doing a good job recruiting. It's going to take a few more years.
Get ready for the "He's all we can get" crowd. But I've been ready for him to leave for a long time.
This. A couple more years at the current recruiting level should provide the proper depth and talent needed to compete. Would have really liked to see we could have done with Horvath. May have helped open up the play calling a little by making ND respect the run.
Once again, every other program had to deal with that same pandemic. You can't use that as an excuse.
We are the only program that had to deal with 4 years of Hazell.
And the pandemic is certainly a legitimate issue, not felt by everyone the same. Teams with less depth (such as those in a rebuild) were at a much greater disadvantage with disrupted practice time and fewer options on the bench. The timing of quarantined was certainly not felt equally either.
Are you saying that every team and conference had the same amount of practice time? Had the same amount of games? Were impacted the exact same amount with positive test? Pipe down with that nonsense. We were a bad call from being 3-3 against all big ten opponents. Last year was not the horrible year that 2 years ago was due to injuries.
Purdue has been at the bottom of the league in recruiting for the last couple of years. Recruiting needs to pick up and it will take a few more years. I hope Brohm can get it done.
7th in big 2 years ago
12th last year.
Not exactly bottom. We were dead lst 3 of 4 years before Brohm got here. 7th would have felt like a miracle prior to hiring Brohm.
He's still sore because he was on here touting Les Miles nonstop and threw a tantrum when we hired Brohm instead. So if he wants to knock Brohm at every opportunity, fine. But he's already been better than his choice.
You mean to win games like today or just to be respectable? I think they can be respectable right now
This is about what I expected. ND has a more talented roster. It appears we have made a few strides, but have more work to do. It’s a lot easier to call plays when you have a run threat, which we did not.
Time to at least fire him as OC and let Brian give it a try. Too many times we’ve come out with a game plan that just doesn’t get it done and put us too far behind the 8 ball to switch/ catch up.
Personally, I think it's time to fire Dale Williams and move on to an OL coach who can teach kids how to run block and pass protect.
I think we made progress in that until our defense was hung out to dry we really physically held up
Nope. Moore was not on the 7-6 team. He came in as a freshman the next year when they were 6-7.
Another 2 games we probably won’t win are Wisconsin and Ohio St.
The defense was obviously better. The defense appears to be much more aggressive and physical this year.
I’m not really sure I can say the offense is more physical this year until we get into a few Big10 games. I don’t think the OL is much better.
I put the ND, Ohio and Wisconsin games as games that would take a special effort to win. I think we could win all or most of the others. I’m not going to get my panties in a wad about losing one of these 3 games.
Good mindset …
more importantly I think there’s a few things going on in confluence..
> whole team is playing their asses off
> very possible we get to 6 wins
> we started this season with give or take 7 guys who had already proven themselves to be quality big ten level starters … looks like we are about to have a LOT of players developed in one season
Add all that up and I’m happy
you talk about brohm's recruiting. How many more years does a coach need to build depth? Coaches usually are never given 7-10 years to build depth. it's expected to happen within 3-4 years. We added a lot of players via grad transfer and portal transdfers this yea r that were supposed to have experience to provide depth. I sometimes get annoyed at people saying we need to wait a few more years.
brohm arrived the same year allen and fleck arrived. You can no longer credit or blame his predecessor or their predecessor for where each program is. All of the players and coaches on each team are the ones each coach wanted on their teams.
it appears Carr is the second coming of eastern. it appears we dodged a bullet. he had another 0 catch day.
Our oline is as bad today as it was when i started complaining about it 7 years ago. You'd think by now there would either be improvement, or a different philosophy in either blocking schemes, development, recruiting or coaching.
I mentioned this a couple years ago, in that high school players already do a lot of strength and conditioning. Today's football players don't really add much strength by red shirting or muscle. What you see is close to what they are going to be. You can't really expect an 18 year old to gain 50 pounds and grow from 250 to 300 pounds by redshirting and doing strength and conditioning. if you want a 300 pound lineman, you must recruit one. And brohm is starting to realize this in his past two recruiting classes. Look at hartwig. he didn't redshirt. We need to find more players like him who are ready to contribute from day 1. And i'm tired of people saying, well the y redshirt people at alabama and OSU. I guarantee if those same recruits came to Purdue, they would start from day 1. it's time we made getting 4-5 star o lineman our priority. Look at USC. their QBs looked awesome because their line gave them all day to throw.
the other potential fix action for our O'line could be changing our blocking schemes. I'm not exactly sure what type we have employed. but it obviously hasn't worked for the past 7+ years. I heard a zone blocking scheme is great for passing attacks. gree n bay used it. f our offense is going to be passing oriented, I believe what purdue needs is a blocking scheme that is geared toward protecting the passer. let the passing game set up our running attack.
As for brohm, the only thing i don't like is the salary he's being paid. if we're going to be a losing team, we could have kept hope at 1/10th the cost. if we hadn't fired hope, would our record be any different over the past 7 years? I doubt it highly. Hope took us to 2 bowl games too.
I wasn't a les miles fan, but i'm also tired of people rubbing it in. TCT4HREE< who did you want? I doubt it was anybody better. 99% of you are quick to critisize somebody for offering an opinion, but only about 1% of yo u were brave enough to offer your own opinion at the time. Every time i ask this question, all i hear are dead cricket silence. the vast majority of you were not brave enough to stick your neck out and suggest anybody. The majority of this board only said they liked brohm after he was hired, not before.
When i look at brohm, and firing him, i ask bluntly, do yo u have somebody in mind who you believe is actually better? and the answer is those same dead crickets again. if you want to intiate a subject, rather than just complaining, you need to include a name and solution. Purdue played a great game today. Most intelligent people predicted we would lose. only a blind homer would have predicted a win.
And complaining about the refs? if yo u knew they were biased for the past 20 years, why are you still complaining about them today? You knew going in they were going to be biased, so you need to incorporate that into your game plan. Wade boggs was a hall of fame hitter. Why? because he knew the strike zone every ref would call. he incorporated that into his game plan and he knew when and when not to swing. Boggs got a lot of hits, but also got a lot of walks as well. Boggs took the refs into consideration.
I was banned once for my criticism of hazell and his recruits. I was called out as being too negative. I've admitted many times i know very little about the nuances of college football. but even wit h m y little knowledge, i knew the hazell hiring was a huge mistake, and his recruits were not BIG 10 caliber players. i hated the hazell hiring and said so even before he was hired. I said yo u don't hire somebody based on 1 good year at a lower level school.
I wanted an experienced coach that was a name coach that could attract elite players. I offered two names. one name was tressel. And when i brought up his name, i admited because of his NCAA sanctions, purdue would never hire him. But he was the type of coach i wanted - somebody with experience, a name and a winning history. the other coach i liked was tommy bowden. He had success at auburn, was a great recruiter, and was a name and also was very available. What i didn't want was a young coach who would use purdue as leverage or a stepping stone for something greater. I may have even suggested kiffin.
Something you people seem to forget. in most cases when a poster suggests a name, they are usually referring to that type of coach, rather than that exact coach. and typically, when a person suggests a name, they also usually admit the reality they realize purdue would never hire that person. There are some NFL head coaches that I believe would make tremendous coaches, but I'm realistic enough to know they'd never consider accepting a n offer to coach at Purdue.
So when saying you want brohm fired, I encourage you to offer up a name/solution as tolo who you want hired. and for those of you who are always on people's cases for their choices, i believe it's time yo u wer e brave enough to admit your choices and allow others to critisize you. if you refuse to stick your neck out, then stop bad mouthing others. and the files do exist. Some of you look pretty stupid when you praised the hazell hiring. and i've got enough time on my hands, I can find the links to your comments 8 years ago whe n yo u thought hazell was going to lead us to the promised land. and then there were the predictions of brohm leading us to 8-3 and 9-2 and western conference championships within 3 years. Some of you made some real stupid predictions yourselves.
I'll admit once more, I don't know much about college football. But from my observations of posts on this board, the vast majority of posters don't know much more than i do. and isn't it about time you supported other fans rather than always looking for fault? Am i and other posters you always critisize less of a fan than you? i readily admit i don't know everything. I come here to learn and gather information. and the majority of posts made here are just people insulting each other. while others are strutting their stuff because they know everything. if you know everything, why do you spend so much time posting on the internet? why aren't you coaching?
why does this board always have to be so negative towards others? Why can't you accept the fact people have different opinions? and agree to disagree? and share a coke and a pizza? When i went to school, i hoped Mark herrman would lead us to the rose bowl. but I was intelligent enough to realize Michigan and OSU were better teams, and we'd have to get lucky for my hopes to become reality. I always hope for a victory, but i also am objective enough to realize sometime it won't happen. I'm happy when we win, but i seldom expect it. I've been right before, and i've made mistakes. Purdue taught me to analyze things and draw conclusions . the scientific method. I apply that to football. In order to beat teams like notre dame, the experts said we needed to pass, pass, pass and pass again. in order to do that, the o line had to provide pass protection. a weak o line is not going to provide great pass portection. without it, our passing game will not enjoy success. without that , we will lose. You don't have to know much about football to realize that.
and my apologies to all those people that claimed to have read moby Dick and every harry Potter book, but believe my posts are too long. Stop using your cell phones and go back to your 24 inch monitors. the average person can read this post within 2-3 minutes. which is a lot less time than it will take you to complain.
I'd like to teach the world to sing too. But I'm no longer a singing member of the Glee Club.
Purdue's football tema is off to such a positive and awesome season. it would be nice if its fans could also be positive. and the way you treated our guests from notre dame ? it's as if you're still living in the basements of your frats. You are purdue graduates. Some of the most intelligent people in the world. its' time to start using that intelligence. Criticism and hatred do not lead to success, they only lead to additional criticism and hatred. Notre dame and IU are tremendous universities. every BIG 10 university is an awesome place. You don't need to argue about admissions or intelligence. I'm a methodist, not a Catholic. We have different religions. but we accept our differences. is this the way you act in public?
We lost today. the better team won . learn something. and press on. if you gave it your best shot, you should have nothing to be ashamed of.
IS a football athlete better than an olympic track athlete? I don't think so. but how many times have people on this board put down track athletes? i do know their attitude and philosophy about competition are a lot different. In the past 3 years , I've had the opportunity to meet and know some world class track athletes. one of them saved my life last year. he personally drove me to the hospital. and we sure didn't argue about our schools or admission standards. I rooted for three olympians. they didn't win, but they gave everything they had. and they each congratulated the victor. They know the meaning of sportsmanship.
I encourage each of you to review your previous 50 posts. how many of them provided encouragement to other posters? how many of them were just to find fault? it's time to put the les miles critisism in the trash . the truth is there was more than just one person who suggested his name. I'll also admit i liked the akers hiring. it seemed like a good hire at the time. It didn't work out. I'm sure many of you also liked the akers hiring at the time. I doubt many of you will admit it or inform us who your choice was. Some people are bold and speculate and make predictions and have crazy ideas. . Those are the type of people who are ultimately successful in life. people who find fault in everything and everybody usually end up being bitter and alone.
I often wondered what kind of a fan posts on the internet in a game thread during a game ? Aren't yo u watching the game ? and do yo u swear as much in real life, or do you just do it here because your wife won't let you do at home?
the sun will come out tommorow. Bet your bottom dollar that tommorow, there'll be sun. and if there's not, there's always my facebook page to look at. that should lift your spirits.
brohm arrived the same year allen and fleck arrived. You can no longer credit or blame his predecessor or their predecessor for where each program is. All of the players and coaches on each team are the ones each coach wanted on their teams.
it appears Carr is the second coming of eastern. it appears we dodged a bullet. he had another 0 catch day.
Our oline is as bad today as it was when i started complaining about it 7 years ago. You'd think by now there would either be improvement, or a different philosophy in either blocking schemes, development, recruiting or coaching.
I mentioned this a couple years ago, in that high school players already do a lot of strength and conditioning. Today's football players don't really add much strength by red shirting or muscle. What you see is close to what they are going to be. You can't really expect an 18 year old to gain 50 pounds and grow from 250 to 300 pounds by redshirting and doing strength and conditioning. if you want a 300 pound lineman, you must recruit one. And brohm is starting to realize this in his past two recruiting classes. Look at hartwig. he didn't redshirt. We need to find more players like him who are ready to contribute from day 1. And i'm tired of people saying, well the y redshirt people at alabama and OSU. I guarantee if those same recruits came to Purdue, they would start from day 1. it's time we made getting 4-5 star o lineman our priority. Look at USC. their QBs looked awesome because their line gave them all day to throw.
the other potential fix action for our O'line could be changing our blocking schemes. I'm not exactly sure what type we have employed. but it obviously hasn't worked for the past 7+ years. I heard a zone blocking scheme is great for passing attacks. gree n bay used it. f our offense is going to be passing oriented, I believe what purdue needs is a blocking scheme that is geared toward protecting the passer. let the passing game set up our running attack.
As for brohm, the only thing i don't like is the salary he's being paid. if we're going to be a losing team, we could have kept hope at 1/10th the cost. if we hadn't fired hope, would our record be any different over the past 7 years? I doubt it highly. Hope took us to 2 bowl games too.
I wasn't a les miles fan, but i'm also tired of people rubbing it in. TCT4HREE< who did you want? I doubt it was anybody better. 99% of you are quick to critisize somebody for offering an opinion, but only about 1% of yo u were brave enough to offer your own opinion at the time. Every time i ask this question, all i hear are dead cricket silence. the vast majority of you were not brave enough to stick your neck out and suggest anybody. The majority of this board only said they liked brohm after he was hired, not before.
When i look at brohm, and firing him, i ask bluntly, do yo u have somebody in mind who you believe is actually better? and the answer is those same dead crickets again. if you want to intiate a subject, rather than just complaining, you need to include a name and solution. Purdue played a great game today. Most intelligent people predicted we would lose. only a blind homer would have predicted a win.
And complaining about the refs? if yo u knew they were biased for the past 20 years, why are you still complaining about them today? You knew going in they were going to be biased, so you need to incorporate that into your game plan. Wade boggs was a hall of fame hitter. Why? because he knew the strike zone every ref would call. he incorporated that into his game plan and he knew when and when not to swing. Boggs got a lot of hits, but also got a lot of walks as well. Boggs took the refs into consideration.
I was banned once for my criticism of hazell and his recruits. I was called out as being too negative. I've admitted many times i know very little about the nuances of college football. but even wit h m y little knowledge, i knew the hazell hiring was a huge mistake, and his recruits were not BIG 10 caliber players. i hated the hazell hiring and said so even before he was hired. I said yo u don't hire somebody based on 1 good year at a lower level school.
I wanted an experienced coach that was a name coach that could attract elite players. I offered two names. one name was tressel. And when i brought up his name, i admited because of his NCAA sanctions, purdue would never hire him. But he was the type of coach i wanted - somebody with experience, a name and a winning history. the other coach i liked was tommy bowden. He had success at auburn, was a great recruiter, and was a name and also was very available. What i didn't want was a young coach who would use purdue as leverage or a stepping stone for something greater. I may have even suggested kiffin.
Something you people seem to forget. in most cases when a poster suggests a name, they are usually referring to that type of coach, rather than that exact coach. and typically, when a person suggests a name, they also usually admit the reality they realize purdue would never hire that person. There are some NFL head coaches that I believe would make tremendous coaches, but I'm realistic enough to know they'd never consider accepting a n offer to coach at Purdue.
So when saying you want brohm fired, I encourage you to offer up a name/solution as tolo who you want hired. and for those of you who are always on people's cases for their choices, i believe it's time yo u wer e brave enough to admit your choices and allow others to critisize you. if you refuse to stick your neck out, then stop bad mouthing others. and the files do exist. Some of you look pretty stupid when you praised the hazell hiring. and i've got enough time on my hands, I can find the links to your comments 8 years ago whe n yo u thought hazell was going to lead us to the promised land. and then there were the predictions of brohm leading us to 8-3 and 9-2 and western conference championships within 3 years. Some of you made some real stupid predictions yourselves.
I'll admit once more, I don't know much about college football. But from my observations of posts on this board, the vast majority of posters don't know much more than i do. and isn't it about time you supported other fans rather than always looking for fault? Am i and other posters you always critisize less of a fan than you? i readily admit i don't know everything. I come here to learn and gather information. and the majority of posts made here are just people insulting each other. while others are strutting their stuff because they know everything. if you know everything, why do you spend so much time posting on the internet? why aren't you coaching?
why does this board always have to be so negative towards others? Why can't you accept the fact people have different opinions? and agree to disagree? and share a coke and a pizza? When i went to school, i hoped Mark herrman would lead us to the rose bowl. but I was intelligent enough to realize Michigan and OSU were better teams, and we'd have to get lucky for my hopes to become reality. I always hope for a victory, but i also am objective enough to realize sometime it won't happen. I'm happy when we win, but i seldom expect it. I've been right before, and i've made mistakes. Purdue taught me to analyze things and draw conclusions . the scientific method. I apply that to football. In order to beat teams like notre dame, the experts said we needed to pass, pass, pass and pass again. in order to do that, the o line had to provide pass protection. a weak o line is not going to provide great pass portection. without it, our passing game will not enjoy success. without that , we will lose. You don't have to know much about football to realize that.
and my apologies to all those people that claimed to have read moby Dick and every harry Potter book, but believe my posts are too long. Stop using your cell phones and go back to your 24 inch monitors. the average person can read this post within 2-3 minutes. which is a lot less time than it will take you to complain.
I'd like to teach the world to sing too. But I'm no longer a singing member of the Glee Club.
Purdue's football tema is off to such a positive and awesome season. it would be nice if its fans could also be positive. and the way you treated our guests from notre dame ? it's as if you're still living in the basements of your frats. You are purdue graduates. Some of the most intelligent people in the world. its' time to start using that intelligence. Criticism and hatred do not lead to success, they only lead to additional criticism and hatred. Notre dame and IU are tremendous universities. every BIG 10 university is an awesome place. You don't need to argue about admissions or intelligence. I'm a methodist, not a Catholic. We have different religions. but we accept our differences. is this the way you act in public?
We lost today. the better team won . learn something. and press on. if you gave it your best shot, you should have nothing to be ashamed of.
IS a football athlete better than an olympic track athlete? I don't think so. but how many times have people on this board put down track athletes? i do know their attitude and philosophy about competition are a lot different. In the past 3 years , I've had the opportunity to meet and know some world class track athletes. one of them saved my life last year. he personally drove me to the hospital. and we sure didn't argue about our schools or admission standards. I rooted for three olympians. they didn't win, but they gave everything they had. and they each congratulated the victor. They know the meaning of sportsmanship.
I encourage each of you to review your previous 50 posts. how many of them provided encouragement to other posters? how many of them were just to find fault? it's time to put the les miles critisism in the trash . the truth is there was more than just one person who suggested his name. I'll also admit i liked the akers hiring. it seemed like a good hire at the time. It didn't work out. I'm sure many of you also liked the akers hiring at the time. I doubt many of you will admit it or inform us who your choice was. Some people are bold and speculate and make predictions and have crazy ideas. . Those are the type of people who are ultimately successful in life. people who find fault in everything and everybody usually end up being bitter and alone.
I often wondered what kind of a fan posts on the internet in a game thread during a game ? Aren't yo u watching the game ? and do yo u swear as much in real life, or do you just do it here because your wife won't let you do at home?
the sun will come out tommorow. Bet your bottom dollar that tommorow, there'll be sun. and if there's not, there's always my facebook page to look at. that should lift your spirits.
For the record, I’m treating the pandemic year as an exhibition season
Too soon junior. We’ve got to give Brohm time to rebuild. Our program has fallen far before he arrived. Give him time. We were competitive today, but didn’t win. Two times receivers allowed the ball to flip through their hands into the ND DB’s hands for int’s. Both times we were driving toward a score. Very small improvements would have turned that game.
And nothing else, it is entertaining to watch him handle Brian N
At the risk of you thinking I am negative towards your post, I disagree with your thoughts on depth. Where the program is when you start matters. Unless you talk Saban into leaving Alabama, you aren’t talking 4 and 5 stars at every position into coming to one of the worst P5 schools. So depth is built incrementally. Imo Brohm has done this. Our defense isn’t a top level defense in the Big but we are much deeper than when Brohm took over. Today is a great example. Our best cb by a mile was out and another starting caliber cb came in and played well. Imo the only three positions on the whole team that had quality depth was qb, rb and te. Brohm has maintained that and added wr and pretty much every position group on defense.
I am happy with the progress Brohm has made since he took over. We are pretty much competitive in every game we play now. 5 years ago we absolutely could not have said that.
Unfortunately Purdue has to play mistake free and make most all the plays to win games against better opponents. The game plan and play calling have to be on point as well. Most games are decided by just a couple of plays when the teams are somewhat equal. Hoping for better results next week and the stopping of the revolving quarterbacks.
Interesting that, after the first two wins, there wasn't much (any?) b.s. like this.
Now, it's as if they've been licking their chops and rubbing their hands, just waiting.
It's quite revealing.
Now, it's as if they've been licking their chops and rubbing their hands, just waiting.
It's quite revealing.
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