This team, defined

[FirstDownB]

Ready or not, at this point the 2016-17 Purdue basketball team has developed its identity.
Identity is where everything starts and everything ends. It is what you fall back on in times of adversity. The days of experimenting and finding your identity are over.

I tried to come up with a list of 5 things that defines what this team is and 5 things it isn't.

What this team is:
- Strong post game
- Good shooting
- Solid rebounding
- Risk averse at guard position
- Man to man defense

What this team isn't:
- Play-making guards (as a whole)
- Press defense (overplaying passing lanes, full court press)
- Quick/athletic
- Transition baskets
- Zone defense

What does your list look like?

 

[Boiler Buck]

BIGGIE - defines team...end of story.

Like I said before....Just shows you how a top 25 guy with a top 5 work ethic can change your program.

When you look at the rest of our recruits, what is the next guy, like a top 70, mixed with some top 150 and unranked guys? Not necessarily a recipe for great success....to say the least.

But yet, because of all CS brings to the table and blends in with the rest....here Purdue is a top 15 team with a great chance at a B1G title. You cannot say enough about the value of him to our team....he will be SO sorely missed next year.

Thank you CS & Boiler up.

 

[tjreese]

Ready or not, at this point the 2016-17 Purdue basketball team has developed its identity.
Identity is where everything starts and everything ends. It is what you fall back on in times of adversity. The days of experimenting and finding your identity are over.

I tried to come up with a list of 5 things that defines what this team is and 5 things it isn't.

What this team is:
- Strong post game
- Good shooting
- Solid rebounding
- Risk averse at guard position
- Man to man defense

What this team isn't:
- Play-making guards (as a whole)
- Press defense (overplaying passing lanes, full court press)
- Quick/athletic
- Transition baskets
- Zone defense

What does your list look like?

real quick...purdue is skilled, short at guards and overall not athletic as you stated. They typically share the ball and by playing through the post are more likely to have turnovers than a dribble, drive offense that has some discipline. Purdue is cerebral. I think you have a lot, but would quidkly add those...

 

[FirstDownB]

real quick...purdue is skilled, short at guards and overall not athletic as you stated. They typically share the ball and by playing through the post are more likely to have turnovers than a dribble, drive offense that has some discipline. Purdue is cerebral. I think you have a lot, but would quidkly add those...

Thanks for your reply. Would I be correct in assuming you agree with the statement that at this point in the season you rally around your identity for better or worse? And from a fan's perspective, we shouldn't expect to see things we haven't seen in 20-something games now?

 

[tjreese]

Thanks for your reply. Would I be correct in assuming you agree with the statement that at this point in the season you rally around your identity for better or worse? And from a fan's perspective, we shouldn't expect to see things we haven't seen in 20-something games now?

Absolutely...you are who you are. That said, I think coaches want everyone hungry and not satisifed. If a coach thinks he has a button he can work and might get a desired response from a player or two...he may push it adn maybe that was the Cline/Carsen trade. Matt historically makes a change "IF" a change is made after a loss and that didn't happen with Michigan.

A key player that can push Purdue over the edge is Carsen and most of us know that. Still, he has to have a controlled aggression to accomplish that over the long haul and not shoot us to a win and/or a loss, but to a win. Every team that Purdue plays is different from another. They may approach beating Purdue in similar ways, but their players will have different skill sets and so tweaking must always take place. It sounded like in a video that PJ was talking that teh guards were to get more aggressive

 

[MJ-79Boiler]

What this team is:

1.) A team which plays through the post
2.) A good defensive team against "jump-shooting" teams
3.) A team which shoots the 3 well
4.) A team which needs to pass the ball well for the offense to be effective
5.) A team which is heavily reliant on a few dominant rebounders
6.) A team which has to "outscore" teams which drive the ball into the paint

What the team isn't:

1.) A team which can stop dribble penetration
2.) A team which defends our center's man when Biggie /Isaac have to pick up driving guards
3.) A team that's comfortable in a 1 possession game
4.) A team which handles pressure well - especially from teams with length

While I understand your comments about experimentation, I have a different viewpoint. While I wouldn't change the "IS" concepts, I would be trying to improve the "ISN'T" list

I believe in continual improvement and in preparing to beat the team / scheme in front of you.

More specifically, . . "dribble penetration" , "full-court pressure" & "preparing to win the final 10 seconds". ANY improvement in these areas can win you games in the NCAA tournament. Status quo . . will get you beat.

For example: If we are in a 1 possession game, and are being abused by dribble penetration (remember Penn State ?), I would still go ZONE . . and force a team to adjust with little time to do so. If they are confused and call a time out . . I would switch to a different zone. When I get beat I want to see someone making a big play, not by allowing them to focus on my weakness.

 

[FirstDownB]

What this team is:

1.) A team which plays through the post
2.) A good defensive team against "jump-shooting" teams
3.) A team which shoots the 3 well
4.) A team which needs to pass the ball well for the offense to be effective
5.) A team which is heavily reliant on a few dominant rebounders
6.) A team which has to "outscore" teams which drive the ball into the paint

What the team isn't:

1.) A team which can stop dribble penetration
2.) A team which defends our center's man when Biggie /Isaac have to pick up driving guards
3.) A team that's comfortable in a 1 possession game
4.) A team which handles pressure well - especially from teams with length

While I understand your comments about experimentation, I have a different viewpoint. While I wouldn't change the "IS" concepts, I would be trying to improve the "ISN'T" list

I believe in continual improvement and in preparing to beat the team / scheme in front of you.

More specifically, . . "dribble penetration" , "full-court pressure" & "preparing to win the final 10 seconds". ANY improvement in these areas can win you games in the NCAA tournament. Status quo . . will get you beat.

For example: If we are in a 1 possession game, and are being abused by dribble penetration (remember Penn State ?), I would still go ZONE . . and force a team to adjust with little time to do so. If they are confused and call a time out . . I would switch to a different zone. When I get beat I want to see someone making a big play, not by allowing them to focus on my weakness.

Depending on how the "is nots" are defined, they are things you either have to develop or things you have to work around. I framed my "is nots" as either inherent characteristics (lack of athleticism) or strategies that have not been demonstrated proficiently (full court press) for this team to date. At this point in the season, there is no development option. I don't think you can flip a switch on strategy any more than you can flip a switch on making your players longer or quicker.

But, you can make adjustments based on your strengths. For example, 2 of our strengths, inside play and perimeter shooting, must feed off each other and be able to maximize what the defense allows. What you can't do is abandon taking outside shots if you are getting good looks that aren't going down. What you can't do is fail to attack 1-on-1 defense in the post after a couple of turnovers or missed bunnies. What you can't do is overplay a passing lane and allow the man to man defense to break down behind you due to your known quickness limitations.

 

[Boiler_HD]

One Word... Saucy.

 

[tjreese]

Depending on how the "is nots" are defined, they are things you either have to develop or things you have to work around. I framed my "is nots" as either inherent characteristics (lack of athleticism) or strategies that have not been demonstrated proficiently (full court press) for this team to date. At this point in the season, there is no development option. I don't think you can flip a switch on strategy any more than you can flip a switch on making your players longer or quicker.

But, you can make adjustments based on your strengths. For example, 2 of our strengths, inside play and perimeter shooting, must feed off each other and be able to maximize what the defense allows. What you can't do is abandon taking outside shots if you are getting good looks that aren't going down. What you can't do is fail to attack 1-on-1 defense in the post after a couple of turnovers or missed bunnies. What you can't do is overplay a passing lane and allow the man to man defense to break down behind you due to your known quickness limitations.

I'm here to tell you that if Purdue is in a final possession I feel pretty good if the opposing team plays "PURE" zone. I KNOW I will get a good shot and not a turnover...or shouldn't have a turnover. Teh absolutely easiest way of getting a good shot is simply place more offensive players around fewer defenders with an overload of the court since they are fixated on court area and not players if you have been just hitting the gaps earlier. Course any offense can miss or throw it away it is just that I can assure someone will be open if I see a pure zone and not worried abourt a board in particular...and unbalanced will acoomplish that. Now if it is down to a few possessions, I "may" not want to reduce rebounding by going to an unbalanced court and just play the gaps. Teh team that can defend with some pressure at all spots and athletic will give Purdue fits...see Louisville..."if" they can make a shot

Still, it comes down to execution and doing what you know and being on the same page focused and playing with effort is key as the other teams will be playing hard...maybe harder than they have all year and if they are a senior team...that can make it tough. You can win a lot of ways.

Matt was kinda asked about how to "clean up" some mistakes the last two games and he said "focus"...Purdue can't be a great defensive team (not who they are or could be), but can be a "good" defensive team by focusing on scouting reports and detail that he thought was missing the last couple of games and playing hard with those in mind.

So many variables, time, who is on court adn how both sides have played. Any split second change that has little time could create problems for any team adn so there is a two edged sword so much of the time. Hell, play correctly the previous 90% of the egame and the last possession is mute

 

[Boiler Wolf]

This team IS too turnover prone.

12th in the BIG. Some unforced, and others when players try to do things they shouldn't. Read we are supposed to be cerebral, and I think Painter even said that, but if that is so, shouldn't we not have so many TOs?

 

[tjreese]

This team IS too turnover prone.

12th in the BIG. Some unforced, and others when players try to do things they shouldn't. Read we are supposed to be cerebral, and I think Painter even said that, but if that is so, shouldn't we not have so many TOs?

ideally yes. Obvioulsy there is more risk, not that it has to happen in a motion or off the ball screening offense. That said, Purdue's post that Purdue plays through are not fast and sometime their inability to secure a ball becomes an error...sometimes they put it on the court in traffic and it becomes an error. Biggie seems to have trouble backing guys down when help comes and sometimes Haas has trouble in just handling the ball when the D is more in a frenzy. I thinkn those are more physical than mental, but the mental part is understanding and doing what you can. Generally, the guards have not been bad, but once in a while I see a poor angled pass, a lob that takes too long to get there or a fireball through the hands. The easiest to correct should be the angle, but that requires more work for the passer. Instead of taking the ball to him, sometimes teh ball is thrown opposite of where teh post is leaning pulling the post away from his position...maybe a hard dribble or two to get the angle should have take place. It seem that a few times a bounce pass rather than an over the head to teh post might get there quicker if you are short and have to lob...PJ? It may not be an error, but too slow to be able to score on.

I think passing is underrated and a good passer works at it...and more often than not...Dakota works the pass fake and tries to get the angle...

 

[jadeezra]

The biggest flaw in this team is we have nothing for a rim protector shot blocker. That's just a huge chink... there's no way to correct it either

 

[proudopete]

The biggest flaw in this team is we have nothing for a rim protector shot blocker. That's just a huge chink... there's no way to correct it either

Couldn't we play more aggressive on defense? I think the two bigs play to not foul due to depth concerns. I am baffled as to why with 7 minutes to go and a few fouls, we don't see them both get more aggressive?

I do agree we miss AJ and the way he patrolled the paint. I think Biggie has shown flashes of that, and Haas when he is provoked, but I think Biggie lacks the length and Haas lacks the foot speed.

 

[jadeezra]

Couldn't we play more aggressive on defense? I think the two bigs play to not foul due to depth concerns. I am baffled as to why with 7 minutes to go and a few fouls, we don't see them both get more aggressive?

I do agree we miss AJ and the way he patrolled the paint. I think Biggie has shown flashes of that, and Haas when he is provoked, but I think Biggie lacks the length and Haas lacks the foot speed.

I don't think so , Haas and Swanigan would likely pick up fouls at an alarming rate. It's a special talent , I'm not sure it's one that that you can do without length.

 

[jadeezra]

I do agree towards the end of games if not in foul trouble it could be improved somewhat. What's it going to hurt.

 

[tjreese]

I do agree towards the end of games if not in foul trouble it could be improved somewhat. What's it going to hurt.

....and other team not in bonus...THAT is pretty important

 

[delish1]

The biggest flaw in this team is we have nothing for a rim protector shot blocker. That's just a huge chink... there's no way to correct it either

Haas doesn't get blocks like Hammons did, but he alters a lot of shots and drives. That's half the battle and causes some misses.