Rhule is 5-3 this year following yesterday's 46-30 win over USF.
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Then there's Matt Rhule at Temple
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Al Golden is available too. Kind of a Schiano Light. Loved him at Temple, struggled at the U, then again, a lot of people have down there.
Rhule would never take this job.. Temple is better than Purdue.
1) more access to recruits
2) better media market
3) new stadium coming
Rhule is ND/PSU/LSU level coach.
-sg
1) more access to recruits
2) better media market
3) new stadium coming
Rhule is ND/PSU/LSU level coach.
-sg
Literally nobody around Philly cares about Temple football; points 1 and 2 don't hold water.
Just when I thought this board couldn't be more ignorant...........
you are 100% correct.. my only point is that he can win just as easily at Temple as Purdue.. Purdue is a horrible job, Rhule will wait for a PSU or Notre Dame type job.. he has job security and all the money he needs in a conference he can win in.
Not sure why any coach would ever take on Purdue even at 4 mill+. Purdue will have to settle for coordinators from larger schools looking for a chance. If you do get a decent coach he will move on. Having Nebraska, MD, and Rutgers come into the conference has really pushed Purdue to the end of the line. Even if MD and RU struggle they will likely out-athlete Purdue every match up. If you are not named Michigan or Ohio State the midwest is a tough place to be stuck in.
Fan based, donations, local talent, facilities, game day atmosphere.. Purdue is bottom 25% of BIG in every category.-sg
PSU and ND are not likely to come open. What does Rhule make at Temple? I doubt its more than $1.5 mil.
You don't think he'd take a 2x pay bump? Purdue isn't an easy place to recruit to......but neither is TEmple. Guys who are successful at places like that are fits for P5 type jobs. I think that you think there is no difference between a P5 job and a G5....there is. It's generally salary, facilities, recruiting budget, assistants pay and etc...
You could argue in the past that Purdue couldn't check those boxes off.....but I feel that going forward with the facilities builds and upgrades and our newfound desire to make football better and spend more this will no longer be an issue.
I don't buy for a second that the Purdue job is a bad job. It's certainly worlds better than Temple. Let's not confuse the job with the current state of the team. A coach that knows what he's doing isn't going to care so much about what he inherits as much as what he can do in that position. Temple will always be a crap football job with a very low ceiling. They could go undefeated and easily be left out of the college football playoffs most seasons. Every P5 job is infinitely better than Temple.
Have no idea anything about this Temple coach. I'd be surprised if he were near the top of the list for anything like PSU or ND. I live in South Bend and have heard plenty of banter already this season about potential Kelly replacements (not going to happen this season but that's another story) and I haven't heard anyone mention this guy at all. Frankly, I'm not even sure I'd want him for Purdue's coach. I'd have to learn more about him first. My guess is that if he ever moves on from Temple it's not going to be anywhere near the level this guy thinks.
Have no idea anything about this Temple coach. I'd be surprised if he were near the top of the list for anything like PSU or ND. I live in South Bend and have heard plenty of banter already this season about potential Kelly replacements (not going to happen this season but that's another story) and I haven't heard anyone mention this guy at all. Frankly, I'm not even sure I'd want him for Purdue's coach. I'd have to learn more about him first. My guess is that if he ever moves on from Temple it's not going to be anywhere near the level this guy thinks.
People underrate our opportunity.
Burke is gone. The penny pinching mindset is gone. An AD who is trying to build a legacy as a football AD is here and working with the program. I think people confuse spending money with direct results. I don't think its that simple. I think admin in the past has shown that if there is a signitifcant ROI on an expenditure, they will do it. I think that potential ROI on a good staff and a good HC is one of the easiest points to prove....so look for us to spend to get the right fit. Maybe we guess wrong like Hazell....but maybe we guess right with a rising star like Fleck (say like Utah did with Urban Meyer) and but ourselves in a place to continue to spend and reap the benefits.
Burke didn't do that. This AD at least seems ready to go down swinging (or investing).
I think we need to look at head coaches that stand to gain as much from our opportunity as we do from them. Does our salary give them a reasonable and deserved pay bump? Do they deserve that bump? ARe they worth spending our $$ and resources on?
I get that we aren't Alabama...that we arent an elite job. That said, a P5 job has so much more to offer than a G5 job that a list below would be exhaustive to provide. That there is such a salary bump from that level to the next that elite schools wont take a risk on a guy without P5 experience....they let the lower tier teams take a risk on those guys and they try and poach them later. This will continue to be the case as salaries (and salary guarantees) escalate.
Matt Rhule would shit himself to get offered our job. $2.5 million, with a large chunk of that guaranteed over 5+ years would quadruple his pay and put him into a better position to prove he deserves an elite job. If you really think ND would pick up the phone and talk to this guy you are mistaken. They wouldnt hire him nor waste their time calling him.
Rhule has already turned down jobs.. he just moved his parents from State College to Philly. He is a good young hard nosed coach, would be similar to Fitzgeral at NW but a little bit rougher around the edges, he relates well with inner-city kids. He prob doesn't take a job for < $3 million. Just jumping in here as I'm a bit more familiar with him as a coach... he could be a nice fit for LSU if they look for a younger guy.-sg
LSU isn't going to call him either. Good luck with all these thoughts though. At this point, Rhule is a guy who needs us more than we need him.
The last coach hired out of Temple was a real winner at the P5 level....
If he likes Temple that's great. Not saying he should take the Purdue job. Not saying Purdue should offer it to him either. I'd be stunned if LSU settles for him but we'll see. I think you are probably a Temple fan with a bit of tunnel vision on the situation. I don't think he's nearly the commodity you think he is and Temple is not nearly the job you think it is. Maybe you have a Fitzgerald/Northwestern scenario where the coach and university are a great fit and he likes it there. If so, that's probably good for Temple. That still doesn't make Temple a better job than a P5 school.
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So he can win at Temple and preserve his reputation, or take a tough job like Purdue and risk being scarred from every taking a top level job here. You guys see the opportunity but not the cost of taking a shot at a perennial black hole of a football program.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm
he's making $1.3 million already.. Hazel made $2.3. I'm actually a PSU guy.. Rhule was a GA and player at PSU. Purdue is 3rd fiddle in Indiana.. it's a tough job. Maybe even tougher with new entrants that have bigger alumni bases and better recruiting grounds.
So he can win at Temple and preserve his reputation, or take a tough job like Purdue and risk being scarred from every taking a top level job here. You guys see the opportunity but not the cost of taking a shot at a perennial black hole of a football program.
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/SalariesContracts.htm
Purdue has its challenges but it's not even close to being a "perennial black hole" like you described. You just don't have any historical perspective.
As far as Ruhle goes, I'm already tired of discussing him. I very much doubt Purdue looks at him and it sounds like he's happy at Temple anyway so let's just leave it at that and we both can hope that he gets the Penn State job the next time it opens up.
6 years guaranteed @ $2.5mil+++
Thats what the next "poor soul" facing our job looks to make. Sounds terrible. Or you can be Rhule, who likely won't get that many P5 calls and sit around and wait. Once you do, what if your star fades?
Tom Herman with every Houston loss is costing himself millions over the course of his career when he could have had his pick of jobs last year. Matt Rhule is a good coach, but lets not pretend this guy wouldn't be lucky to get a P5 job. I bet he's turned down jobs. None of them paying $2.5mil and I doubt any were at a P5.
Temple fan? I'm assuming he's Rhule's agent. Or mother.
I've got your third fiddle swinging. ND is a national program and university that happens to be in Indiana. 10 miles north and it would be in Michigan. We're obviously down the past few years but still a better football program than IU.
People forget that the Big Ten is one of the most lucrative conferences in the country and basically the richest.
You have to keep in mind - Purdue is getting killed on revenue with the lack of football ticket sales. But it's been mitigated by the money coming from the conference. If Purdue just was average - or even sold as many tickets as we did when Colletto was coach, we'd be rich!
You don't know what you're talking about.
All-time conference and overall Big Ten records
Big Ten Games Overall
W L T Pct. W L T Pct.
Nebraska 12 4 0 0.750 19 8 0 0.704
Ohio State 472 171 24 0.726 729 240 36 0.743
Michigan 479 188 18 0.712 791 274 27 0.737
Penn State 102 58 0 0.638 198 86 0 0.697
Michigan State 246 199 9 0.552 394 284 13 0.580
Wisconsin 337 365 41 0.481 617 464 50 0.568
Minnesota 327 369 28 0.471 602 475 39 0.557
Purdue 319 362 31 0.470 555 505 46 0.523
Illinois 333 392 31 0.461 551 532 45 0.508
Iowa 297 359 25 0.454 558 502 33 0.526
Northwestern 257 466 21 0.360 456 609 33 0.430
Indiana 195 464 24 0.303 418 612 39 0.409
People like to cite history but college football is a completely different beast now than it was even 2 decades ago. The arms race shift has left Purdue at a crippling disadvantage.
That's something that can change if priorities change.
Sorry but Purdue isn't third fiddle to ND in terms of in state programs. Purdue may be bad in the last 4 years but the program is in no way playing third fiddle to IU.
I don't see the downside to Matt Rhule. He was a walkon who became an academic all-Big-Ten linebacker at Penn State. He took Temple from last place to first in the AAC in three years. We can obviously afford him. Temple beat Penn State last year and lost to ND by only four points.
Head coaching record
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Temple Owls (American Athletic Conference) (2013–present)
2013 Temple 2–10 1–7 T–9th
2014 Temple 6–6 4–4 6th
2015 Temple 10–4 7–1 1st (Eastern) L Boca Raton
2016 Temple 5–3 3–1 (Eastern)
Temple: 23–23 15–13
Head coaching record
Year Team Overall Conference Standing Bowl/playoffs Coaches# AP°
Temple Owls (American Athletic Conference) (2013–present)
2013 Temple 2–10 1–7 T–9th
2014 Temple 6–6 4–4 6th
2015 Temple 10–4 7–1 1st (Eastern) L Boca Raton
2016 Temple 5–3 3–1 (Eastern)
Temple: 23–23 15–13
ONE winning season in those three years too.
PS. Ruhle was the beneficiary of PSU sanctions. . Sanction are over.
What are you talking about? What mutual target did they land because of sanctions? Maybe one player and you know who I am talking about.
I think Rhule actually could find success at Purdue. I am sure he would consider it also especially given that Purdue is a Big Ten school. He definitely likes it at Temple but he is going to be getting some big offers at the end of this season. He can be picky and his star isn't going to fade fast but I am almost positive that Purdue could give him at least a reason to think a little bit.
Well, it's good that he likes it at Temple. Having said that, I lived in Philly for three years while stationed at Defense Supply Center Philadelphia. It is the pits.
Rhule is 41 years old and he and the East Carolina coach are the two lowest paid in the AAC, each making about $1 million/yr. Purdue could easily double or triple that.
Rhule is having success in a conference that is far more competitive than the MAC, and he's doing it at an inner city school with zero football tradition. His teams have solid defenses, which Purdue is in dire need of. Last year they beat Penn State and lost to Notre Dame by only four. As I said before, I don't see the downside here.
Rhule is 41 years old and he and the East Carolina coach are the two lowest paid in the AAC, each making about $1 million/yr. Purdue could easily double or triple that.
Rhule is having success in a conference that is far more competitive than the MAC, and he's doing it at an inner city school with zero football tradition. His teams have solid defenses, which Purdue is in dire need of. Last year they beat Penn State and lost to Notre Dame by only four. As I said before, I don't see the downside here.
Lets look at past big team hires. ND picked Kelly up from Cinci (successful in the old Big East), Penn State picked up Franklin from Vandy (successful in the SEC by Vandy Standards), Michigan picked up Harbaugh from SF (successful at 9ers and Stanford), Ohio picked up Meyer from retirement (successful at Florida), Bama picked up Saban from Miami (successful at LSU), etc, etc. Not many successful BIG hires coming from the G5 levels. The path that has been made is Success at a mid-major or OC/DC at BIG program to cellar to middle P5 to top P5. There are a few exceptions, but those are G5 coaches that win 10+ games for multiple seasons (Hermann).
