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The Ringer on Aj

I don't get the age criticism. 1st rounders get a 3 year deal, he will be 26 when that's up. And he's a center: he will be effective into his 30s.

He will be a better pro than at least 15 of the guys drafted in the 1st round.

Totally agree. I think he's a real sleeper in this draft and a guy with his skill set will have a 10 year career if he stays healthy.
 
Totally agree. I think he's a real sleeper in this draft and a guy with his skill set will have a 10 year career if he stays healthy.
Here's another way to look at it: Hammons is better RIGHT NOW than all the clown bigs that Golden State was trotting out after bogut got hurt.
 
Interesting take. Says a lot of the same things we've been saying. They clearly didn't think much of our offense.

https://theringer.com/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965#.xfpkas171


Hammons could work as a pro--if he can stay motivated to run the court while he is there and work hard to switch on screens.

While our offense was productive in PPG @ his assessment of our point guard was dead on--and cost us in big games and @ the end of the season.
 
Here's another way to look at it: Hammons is better RIGHT NOW than all the clown bigs that Golden State was trotting out after bogut got hurt.

that would be Festus Ezeli, Marreese Speights, and Anderson Varejao.

Festus can shoot.....

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Totally agree. I think he's a real sleeper in this draft and a guy with his skill set will have a 10 year career if he stays healthy.

You have to look at it both ways. When AJ is on he is ON. However, his consistency was always a problem and even in his senior year, it still popped up.
 
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Great article and analysis. The skills are there but motor and passion always in doubt.

Side note: Thought it was telling to hear an outside perspective on how poorly the offense is run, which is something I have always agreed with. I'm not trying to get into an analytics war about it but just eye opening to see how people with basketball knowledge are down on it. Wish we would switch it up.

Either way hope Hammons finally proves the haters wrong about him
 
Another anonymous scout with an evaluation of Hammons

A.J. Hammons, 7-foot senior center, Purdue: "Very good shot blocker, but he's inconsistent. An enigma. He didn't dominate consistently until he was older. Well, you're 24 beating up on 18-year-olds. You better dominate. I'm not a huge fan of his work ethic and some of the stuff that went on at Purdue. I don't think he loves to play. Talented dude, but I don't know if the light will ever go on for him. I'm concerned what will happen once he gets NBA money."
 
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Interesting take. Says a lot of the same things we've been saying. They clearly didn't think much of our offense.

https://theringer.com/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965#.xfpkas171
I have been saying for months that Hammons is a better player than Poeltl, never mind a better prospect.

As for his projected draft spot, AJ did not do himself a lot of favors with some of his antics and lack of consistent effort early in his college career, but Painter never did him any favors unfortunately either.

Ultimately, where he is picked is not what will determine how his career plays out...and AJ has far more control of what will happen...but it is a bit disappointing to see guys ahead of him that are not as good and that may not have nearly as long or good careers as AJ is capable of.
 
Hammons could work as a pro--if he can stay motivated to run the court while he is there and work hard to switch on screens.

While our offense was productive in PPG @ his assessment of our point guard was dead on--and cost us in big games and @ the end of the season.

I actually think AJ's game is more geared towards success in the pros. He's not going to have to sprint up/down the court on D every possession like Painter wants (let's face it, a lot of the big guys AJ will guard aren't sprinting down the court either).
The NBA is much more isolation, pick n pop and one-on-one, meaning he's going to get a lot more face up opportunities on offense to shoot the mid-range jumper.
 
"but Painter never did him any favors unfortunately either." DG10 quote Can you elaborate?
 
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Great article and analysis. The skills are there but motor and passion always in doubt.

Side note: Thought it was telling to hear an outside perspective on how poorly the offense is run, which is something I have always agreed with. I'm not trying to get into an analytics war about it but just eye opening to see how people with basketball knowledge are down on it. Wish we would switch it up.

Either way hope Hammons finally proves the haters wrong about him
How was our offense a negative for AJ? It was as post centric as it could get it. He got as many touches as he wanted. That comment makes no sense when we're in the top 5 of our league on offensive efficiency year in & year out. Lame trope to try to fit into his article to make a point about Hammons. The guy obviously hasn't watched a lot of NCAA basketball IMO. We have shooters all over the floor & guys who fed the post constantly. That offense was made for AJ to succeed.
 
Interesting take. Says a lot of the same things we've been saying. They clearly didn't think much of our offense.

https://theringer.com/evaluating-jakob-poeltl-aj-hammons-for-nba-draft-6d535f873965#.xfpkas171
It is not clear to me the writer didn't think much of Purdue's offense. It appeared more to me that he thought the execution of the offense was the issue, rather than the offense. If someone read something different, please help me understand.

I did pick up this "It’s also much harder for a big man to affect the game at the NCAA level, because so much of their success depends on the quality of their teammates. Not many college teams run a good offense or space the floor properly, and even fewer have competent point guard play. Without a floor general who can control tempo, enter the ball into the post, or consistently hit the roll man, life is difficult for a pivot, no matter how talented. Conversely, a big man who plays on a well-coached team with proper spacing and facilitation can post statistics that overstate his talent level.

Any player that depends on others to get him the ball faces to a degree all of the above items. A coach attempts to place the best team out on the floor to win as much as possible. The execution of that approach has a lot to do with the combination of the skill and athleticism of the players willing to go to the school, able to make it at that school, along with the coach thinking he can be successful. During Matt's time (same offense, just different tweaks to take advantage of the skills) we have seen teams run up and down the floor, played small ball and were dominant in the low post in a half court set. There has been much full court offense, some full court offense and rarely any full court offense all a function of the cards he had. There is not a coach alive that doesn't wish for great spacing, but if the players don't have the threat to stretch the D, why would the defense allow that team spacing unless they thought more pressure was even more effective than not guarding them?

Did Matt's discipline towards AJ make him a better player or hurt the perception? I believe the bottom line was a better player, but a reasonable debate could commence. Does any of it matter? AJ will get drafted. He has the ability to negotiate a better future than whatever he starts out with if he performs. As always, it is about AJ and not being a victim like much of the country in something... :)
 
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It is not clear to me the writer didn't think much of Purdue's offense. It appeared more to me that he thought the execution of the offense was the issue, rather than the offense. If someone read something different, please help me understand.

I did pick up this "It’s also much harder for a big man to affect the game at the NCAA level, because so much of their success depends on the quality of their teammates. Not many college teams run a good offense or space the floor properly, and even fewer have competent point guard play. Without a floor general who can control tempo, enter the ball into the post, or consistently hit the roll man, life is difficult for a pivot, no matter how talented. Conversely, a big man who plays on a well-coached team with proper spacing and facilitation can post statistics that overstate his talent level.

Any player that depends on others to get him the ball faces to a degree all of the above items. A coach attempts to place the best team out on the floor to win as much as possible. The execution of that approach has a lot to do with the combination of the skill and athleticism of the players willing to go to the school, able to make it at that school, along with the coach thinking he can be successful. During Matt's time (same offense, just different tweets to take advantage of the skills) we have seen teams run up and down the floor, played small ball and were dominant in the low post in a half court set. There has been much full court offense, some full court offense and rarely any full court offense all a function of the cards he had. There is not a coach alive that doesn't wish for great spacing, but if the players don't have the threat to stretch the D, why would the defense allow that team spacing unless they thought more pressure was even more effective than not guarding them?

Did Matt's discipline towards AJ make him a better player or hurt the perception? I believe the bottom line was a better player, but a reasonable debate could commence. Does any of it matter? AJ will get drafted. He has the ability to negotiate a better future than whatever he starts out with if he performs. As always, it is about AJ and not being a victim like much of the country in something... :)
Brilliant and spot on post.
 
I know first impressions matter a ton & the start of AJH’s college career was quite up and down. However, AJH progressed from a kid who wasn’t even the focal point of his HS offense to a highly effective, featured big man of a B1G team. If that doesn’t show work ethic & a willingness to embrace challenges, I’m not sure what does.

Inconsistent? - AJH scored in double figures in every B1G game last season except the 50pt Rutger blowout when he only got 14mins. I believe Valentine was the only B1G player to reach double figures in every B1G he played (and Valentine missed a couple due to injury). AJH reached 10+ pts in every other game from Dec -> Mar or any game all season when he got 20+ mins.

I do think there are some legitimate questions about his ability to make it in the NBA. The NBA post game is much, much more physical than college. AJH will have to learn to embrace & relish that. Of course, he’ll need to adjust to the speed & athleticism like everyone else does.

I’ll admit to not being impartial. AJH’s growth & progression over the last 4 years really was one of the more enjoyable Purdue career arcs that I can remember witnessing. I think his Purdue career epitomizes everything that is right with the college game in terms of a kid taking advantage of the resources he was given & turning it into a possible professional career. I can’t wait for him to hear his name called tomorrow & wish him the best of luck!
 
but Painter never did him any favors unfortunately either. Can you elaborate?

I am tired of the Painter bashing in this regard. At least educate yourself on the PURDUE policy, which is not set by Painter.......

"In response to a public-records request, Purdue provided case studies of how it deals with athletes' marijuana use.

In Purdue's first hypothetical scenario, an athlete tests positive for marijuana during a random test, telling the school they used the drug for anxiety and insomnia. The offender undergoes increased random testing and meets with a psychologist.

In Purdue's second scenario, a player tests positive for a second time and receives additional counseling, a mandatory meeting at a rehabilitation center, and 10 hours of community service.

A third positive test results in a suspension for 10 percent of the season, among other requirements."

***My edit...for the mathematically challenged, 10% of an estimated 30 game season is 3 games..you figure it out****
 
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You have to look at it both ways. When AJ is on he is ON. However, his consistency was always a problem and even in his senior year, it still popped up.

No question. And I don't think we can just assume a light will suddenly go on and he'll solve that issue. He is who he is at this point. I just believe even an inconsistent 7'2" guy can carve out a decent career. I'm not a huge NBA fan, but there are plenty of players who phone it in from time to time.
 
While I agree with TJReese that Hammons ultimate success will depend on how he performs once drafted, I just hate how perception can affect a kids career so much.

I'm curious how everyone here would compare AJ with JJ? JJ got drafted, played some for the Celtics for one season, then ultimately got stuck in the D-league and then went to Europe. Does anyone think JJ lacked talent or motivation? That was never a perception I had of him at Purdue at least.

On the other hand, Hummel had some measured success at Minnesota, although he ultimately ended up in Europe too (a shame because I really think he contributed well to the Timberwolves).

The only one of the Baby Boilers who is still in the league and contributing is Moore. And part of that has to do with how injury prone the Bulls are, imho.

So how does AJ compare and contrast with the Baby Boilers. It certainly seems like a lot of luck (or lack-thereof) with those three...
 
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How was our offense a negative for AJ? It was as post centric as it could get it. He got as many touches as he wanted. That comment makes no sense when we're in the top 5 of our league on offensive efficiency year in & year out. Lame trope to try to fit into his article to make a point about Hammons. The guy obviously hasn't watched a lot of NCAA basketball IMO. We have shooters all over the floor & guys who fed the post constantly. That offense was made for AJ to succeed.

I read it as the offense in general wasn't great not that it wasn't fit for Hammons. Mentioning not having a true point guard led me that way. I found myself saying myself or hearing the announcers say, "they missed him down low" alot during games. This would be about any post player not just Hammons.

Entry post passing improved from the previous season but still leaves a lot to be desired
 
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but Painter never did him any favors unfortunately either.
This is simply not true. There are years of things Painter did for AJ that no one has seen. There is far more to coaching than what happens on the court. It has been a long process of maturing. Other posters have mentioned who AJ was when he came to Purdue. Something, or someone, helped him become who is now. Still a work in progress, but so much more than he was. And yes, I have spent a lot of time in the halls of Mackey, Brees, and Mollenkopf.
 
It is not clear to me the writer didn't think much of Purdue's offense. It appeared more to me that he thought the execution of the offense was the issue, rather than the offense. If someone read something different, please help me understand.

I did pick up this "It’s also much harder for a big man to affect the game at the NCAA level, because so much of their success depends on the quality of their teammates. Not many college teams run a good offense or space the floor properly, and even fewer have competent point guard play. Without a floor general who can control tempo, enter the ball into the post, or consistently hit the roll man, life is difficult for a pivot, no matter how talented. Conversely, a big man who plays on a well-coached team with proper spacing and facilitation can post statistics that overstate his talent level.

Any player that depends on others to get him the ball faces to a degree all of the above items. A coach attempts to place the best team out on the floor to win as much as possible. The execution of that approach has a lot to do with the combination of the skill and athleticism of the players willing to go to the school, able to make it at that school, along with the coach thinking he can be successful. During Matt's time (same offense, just different tweaks to take advantage of the skills) we have seen teams run up and down the floor, played small ball and were dominant in the low post in a half court set. There has been much full court offense, some full court offense and rarely any full court offense all a function of the cards he had. There is not a coach alive that doesn't wish for great spacing, but if the players don't have the threat to stretch the D, why would the defense allow that team spacing unless they thought more pressure was even more effective than not guarding them?

Did Matt's discipline towards AJ make him a better player or hurt the perception? I believe the bottom line was a better player, but a reasonable debate could commence. Does any of it matter? AJ will get drafted. He has the ability to negotiate a better future than whatever he starts out with if he performs. As always, it is about AJ and not being a victim like much of the country in something... :)
Love the post TJ. This thread started as a knock on Painter but there was no substance to the criticism. This post gives logical reasoning for the statements you made. You should be banned.
 
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While I agree with TJReese that Hammons ultimate success will depend on how he performs once drafted, I just hate how perception can affect a kids career so much.

I'm curious how everyone here would compare AJ with JJ? JJ got drafted, played some for the Celtics for one season, then ultimately got stuck in the D-league and then went to Europe. Does anyone think JJ lacked talent or motivation? That was never a perception I had of him at Purdue at least.

On the other hand, Hummel had some measured success at Minnesota, although he ultimately ended up in Europe too (a shame because I really think he contributed well to the Timberwolves).

The only one of the Baby Boilers who is still in the league and contributing is Moore. And part of that has to do with how injury prone the Bulls are, imho.

So how does AJ compare and contrast with the Baby Boilers. It certainly seems like a lot of luck (or lack-thereof) with those three...
JJ lacked size. Look at the NBA today all guys JJs height and weight are shooting 40% from 3. AJ on the other hand has all the tools and size he should have a long career
 
While I agree with TJReese that Hammons ultimate success will depend on how he performs once drafted, I just hate how perception can affect a kids career so much.

I'm curious how everyone here would compare AJ with JJ? JJ got drafted, played some for the Celtics for one season, then ultimately got stuck in the D-league and then went to Europe. Does anyone think JJ lacked talent or motivation? That was never a perception I had of him at Purdue at least.

On the other hand, Hummel had some measured success at Minnesota, although he ultimately ended up in Europe too (a shame because I really think he contributed well to the Timberwolves).

The only one of the Baby Boilers who is still in the league and contributing is Moore. And part of that has to do with how injury prone the Bulls are, imho.

So how does AJ compare and contrast with the Baby Boilers. It certainly seems like a lot of luck (or lack-thereof) with those three...


Don't forget Carl Landry. He's been in the NBA the longest of all of them. He's a true workhorse.
 
Great article and analysis. The skills are there but motor and passion always in doubt.

Side note: Thought it was telling to hear an outside perspective on how poorly the offense is run, which is something I have always agreed with. I'm not trying to get into an analytics war about it but just eye opening to see how people with basketball knowledge are down on it. Wish we would switch it up.

Either way hope Hammons finally proves the haters wrong about him

I'd be interested to know how much this guy watched of Purdue. For him to criticize our offense is one thing but our offense is GREAT for big men compared to almost any other offense in the country so for him to criticize it in terms of it not being good for Hammons smells like someone that doesn't really know what they're talking about to me.
 
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Every time I look at a mock draft and see the Utah or Vandy guy higher than AJ I get confused. Will be interesting to see what actually happens.
 
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He might end up being a steal for the Mavs in the 2nd round. I believe he needs to keep his close friends and family around him to remind him to always prepare and play his best. I'm sure his mother will stay in close contact with him.
 
Every time I look at a mock draft and see the Utah or Vandy guy higher than AJ I get confused. Will be interesting to see what actually happens.
This is old news, but besides the mention of AJ, the evaluation of Zimmerman brought back memories of some of the discussions on this board. In the past, we have had discussions about the impact of a "long neck" on a big man. :D
 
I know first impressions matter a ton & the start of AJH’s college career was quite up and down. However, AJH progressed from a kid who wasn’t even the focal point of his HS offense to a highly effective, featured big man of a B1G team. If that doesn’t show work ethic & a willingness to embrace challenges, I’m not sure what does.

Inconsistent? - AJH scored in double figures in every B1G game last season except the 50pt Rutger blowout when he only got 14mins. I believe Valentine was the only B1G player to reach double figures in every B1G he played (and Valentine missed a couple due to injury). AJH reached 10+ pts in every other game from Dec -> Mar or any game all season when he got 20+ mins.

I do think there are some legitimate questions about his ability to make it in the NBA. The NBA post game is much, much more physical than college. AJH will have to learn to embrace & relish that. Of course, he’ll need to adjust to the speed & athleticism like everyone else does.

I’ll admit to not being impartial. AJH’s growth & progression over the last 4 years really was one of the more enjoyable Purdue career arcs that I can remember witnessing. I think his Purdue career epitomizes everything that is right with the college game in terms of a kid taking advantage of the resources he was given & turning it into a possible professional career. I can’t wait for him to hear his name called tomorrow & wish him the best of luck!
Thank you. Awesome post!
 
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