The Movement

[hunkgolden]

I believe the much heralded class that the hillbillies were slobbering over and printed shirts about 3 years ago now has 1 player left standing. Not a one of them left early to play professionally and the one that remains was the highest rated 5 star point guard coming out of high school that year; and instead of declaring for the draft at some point in the past 3 years like most of the highest rated guards do - he's coming back for his senior season.
Just remember this the next time the trailer park starts getting excited about their recruits.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

This is why I will never give in to the iu hype-fest. Bryant might end up being a decent player, but he'll need to develop on his own and even then I doubt will be the impact the delusionals at the trailer park think he will be.

 

[SNU0821]

This is why I will never give in to the iu hype-fest. Bryant might end up being a decent player, but he'll need to develop on his own and even then I doubt will be the impact the delusionals at the trailer park think he will be.

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

I would maintain that all player development is on a players own. If they have the will to work and the ears with the willingness to listen and the commitment & dedication to follow through, or even the athletic ability........these are all traits a person either has or does not have. Crean certainly did not give this to the player. God did. Same with Painter or any other program. Now certainly some coaches know what to say and how to motivate players....I would say that is what the posters are talking about above. But this aspect is minimal to God given traits.

 

[BuilderBob6]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

You think Crean had anything to do with Vonleh? lol. Ask Vonleh. Crean didn't know how to use him. And how did the development go with that 5/4 star freak athlete you just booted from the team?

Buck is quite correct. When a coach is able to help a player develop it doesn't happen in one year.

 

[SNU0821]

I would maintain that all player development is on a players own. If they have the will to work and the ears with the willingness to listen and the commitment & dedication to follow through, or even the athletic ability........these are all traits a person either has or does not have. Crean certainly did not give this to the player. God did. Same with Painter or any other program. Now certainly some coaches know what to say and how to motivate players....I would say that is what the posters are talking about above. But this aspect is minimal to God given traits.

Completely agree. Well said. Two good examples are JJ and Oladipo. Kids that had talent but clearly a will to work.

 

[SNU0821]

You think Crean had anything to do with Vonleh? lol. Ask Vonleh. Crean didn't know how to use him. And how did the development go with that 5/4 star freak athlete you just booted from the team?

Buck is quite correct. When a coach is able to help a player develop it doesn't happen in one year.

There it is again. Failing to see the big picture. Do you not think having any shooter has anything to do with how a team would play a dominant post player? Surely you can understand how a team would pack in it (which they did, constantly) and dare us to shoot it from deep. It caused issues for us all year due to Crean's mismanagement of the roster and not having any shooters outside of Yogi.

And Vonleh is so pissed at Crean that he comes back to workout at Cook...

 

[Heller]

Completely agree. Well said. Two good examples are JJ and Oladipo. Kids that had talent but clearly a will to work.

Please don't back up all the time, the beeps are distracting. FYI, Crean is not the Coach who puts kids through the individual workouts. He's not a X and O guy, he's a cheerleader and recruiter. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Weber and Jay Price were the guys who spent the most time with the players when Keady was at Purdue. The "player development" had a big dropoff after Bruce left. At the same time, Kendrick was a much better recruiting asset.

 

[StateStreet123]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

Snu - I disagree with your assertion that AJ Hammons has only marginally developed since arriving at Purdue. I remember sitting in Mackey his freshman year during preconference games. The kid could only run up and down the court twice and would then tug on his jersey to come out. I see a different player today.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Snu - I disagree with your assertion that AJ Hammons has only marginally developed since arriving at Purdue. I remember sitting in Mackey his freshman year during preconference games. The kid could only run up and down the court twice and would then tug on his jersey to come out. I see a different player today.

Saying AJH didn't develop under CMP has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen from SNU .. which says a lot. Your post nailed it perfectly.

 

[SNU0821]

Saying AJH didn't develop under CMP has got to be one of the dumbest things I have ever seen from SNU .. which says a lot. Your post nailed it perfectly.

Just as dumb as saying Bryant will have to develop on his own at IU. One of the dumbest things I've read from you sir which says even more.

 

[Chuchumutha]

Just as dumb as saying Bryant will have to develop on his own at IU. One of the dumbest things I've read from you sir which says even more.

I'm with you on this one SNU. Crean has a proven track record of player development and, obviously, is a tremendous recruiter. Time for an extension? No?

 

[vilehoopster]

Snu - I disagree with your assertion that AJ Hammons has only marginally developed since arriving at Purdue. I remember sitting in Mackey his freshman year during preconference games. The kid could only run up and down the court twice and would then tug on his jersey to come out. I see a different player today.

I agree that Hammons has, of course, developed a ton since his freshmen year, a ton. With that said, to imply that all A. J. could as a freshmen was run up and down the court and then ask to come out is simply not true, He did manage to score 30 points against IU. I admit it was an under motivated IU team defensively because they were winning by so much, but still, 30 points is 30 points.

 

[Courtsensetwo]

I believe the much heralded class that the hillbillies were slobbering over and printed shirts about 3 years ago now has 1 player left standing. Not a one of them left early to play professionally and the one that remains was the highest rated 5 star point guard coming out of high school that year; and instead of declaring for the draft at some point in the past 3 years like most of the highest rated guards do - he's coming back for his senior season.
Just remember this the next time the trailer park starts getting excited about their recruits.

Goldy With all of the things going on with PU basketball and the promise of a great year next season...this is what you choose to focus on. This is what gets your pride going.

At least you are consistent.

 

[BoilerBF]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

AJ Hammons was the 77th ranked player coming out of high school. Last year he was second team all big ten....and first team on defense. This year he will be considered as a candidate for Big Ten MVP.....and BTDPOY.

I will take that kind of development any time. Both AJH and Purdue coaches have done a very good job.

 

[purdue4sure]

I'm with you on this one SNU. Crean has a proven track record of player development and, obviously, is a tremendous recruiter. Time for an extension? No?

This.Lifetime contract is deserved. Please.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Goldy With all of the things going on with PU basketball and the promise of a great year next season...this is what you choose to focus on. This is what gets your pride going.

At least you are consistent.

Kinda like you being consistently a moron right?

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Just as dumb as saying Bryant will have to develop on his own at IU. One of the dumbest things I've read from you sir which says even more.

Don't be mad at me because I speak the truth. Maybe if you weren't so dense you would get what quite a few are trying to tell you on here. But then again, I expect very little from you because you simply are not intellectually capable of understanding much.

 

[Bill4411]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

Here are the rankings for the Movements year:https://rivals.yahoo.com/Purdue/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2509/0

AJ was the 77th rated player, so he has developed very nicely at Purdue. He will get drafted. He has developed a lot more than Adam Woodberry (50) who is at Iowa. Yogi is shown at 19, Hollowell at 41 and Perea at 43 who haven't seemed to develop very well under Crean. Vonleh and Zeller were both Top 10 recruits. Victor was an example of development but I would imagine much of that credit goes to Victor. He is a super athlete who was able to work out his skills into a superior player. Dennis Rodman was a freak athlete who came out of junior college and was able to develop his skills enough into being an outstanding NBA player. Victor has the athleticism to be a great defender as did Rodman-it's a God given skill not due to coaching.

 

[BoilerJS]

Don't be mad at me because I speak the truth. Maybe if you weren't so dense you would get what quite a few are trying to tell you on here. But then again, I expect very little from you because you simply are not intellectually capable of understanding much.

The movement has taken on a new meaning under Crean. It refers to the creaning of players that were recruiting evaluation misses only to be replaced by players more highly rated.

 

[Tony79]

Niece is close to Hulls. Hulls and Zeller basically ran the team. Crean was along for the ride.

 

[SIBoiler2]

Of all the things you can point at Crean and laugh at, developing his players is probably the last one I would pick. If you want to laugh at development, look no further than AJ Hammons. I'm interested to see why you think Bryant would have to "develop on his own" considering Crean has put two bigs in the lottery and taken a 3* player and got him drafted #2 overall. Yeah, terrible player development.

Both bigs were destined for the lottery when the stepped on campus. Crean did nothing to develop VonLeh's game and Zeller's limited development at IU likely came on the court when he was home with his brothers instead of under Crean's tutelage. Victor developed but most of that development came during a summer when he did the work himself. More damning is the number of highly ranked recruits that FAILED to get a sniff at the next level while Crean DEVELOPED their games. For all the 4 star and higher recruits that have stepped on IU's campus during the Clapper Era a very low percentage are getting paid to play after leaving.

 

[TwinDegrees2]

Both bigs were destined for the lottery when the stepped on campus. Crean did nothing to develop VonLeh's game and Zeller's limited development at IU likely came on the court when he was home with his brothers instead of under Crean's tutelage. Victor developed but most of that development came during a summer when he did the work himself. More damning is the number of highly ranked recruits that FAILED to get a sniff at the next level while Crean DEVELOPED their games. For all the 4 star and higher recruits that have stepped on IU's campus during the Clapper Era a very low percentage are getting paid to play after leaving.

Oleo stated as fact that it was She He's constant pushing that made him work harder and enhanced his development. And every one on Peegs wants everyone to believe that Crean discovered this poor little kid from nowhere when in fact he was being recruited by

Maryland

Massachusetts

Notre Dame

Providence

Xavier

And, according to other publications Kentucky had looked at him.

 

[Matt18Jones]

Cody Zeller went from the clear, consensus #1 overall pick to sliding to #4 by staying just one more year under Crean.

IU fans really shouldn't be pointing to Cody Zeller as a sales pitch for Crean, considering the longer he stayed the more his draft stock hurt.

 

[Catfish_ Crazy]

Cody Zeller went from the clear, consensus #1 overall pick to sliding to #4 by staying just one more year under Crean.

IU fans really shouldn't be pointing to Cody Zeller as a sales pitch for Crean, considering the longer he stayed the more his draft stock hurt.

#1 really? Where was VO? #2?

 

[JohnHoosierr]

wow snu we already know your delusional and not the most intelligent but even you should be able grasp that yogi was a 5 star burger boy while aj was an unheralded, chubby shot blocker coming in. Guess which one will be drafted first though(if Yogi is even drafted at all)?

 

[Matt18Jones]

Yogi might not even get drafted (although he should be, he'll be dynamic creator in the NBA)

How many PGs will crean have developed? Thought guards were his strong suit since he blunders with bigs.

 

[jimmygoiu]

Yogi might not even get drafted (although he should be, he'll be dynamic creator in the NBA)

How many PGs will crean have developed? Thought guards were his strong suit since he blunders with bigs.

CTC has only had two PGs since he arrived at IU, Hulls and Ferrell. Both have developed well, IMO. Abell transferred, but starts for Xavier.

 

[BoilerGrad02]

CTC has only had two PGs since he arrived at IU, Hulls and Ferrell. Both have developed well, IMO. Abell transferred, but starts for Xavier.

Hulls was a shooting guard stuck in an un-athletic point guards body. Only thing that has developed with Ferrell is his shooting (not clutch shooting of course, Yogi's never seen a big shot he couldn't miss).

 

[BoilerGrad02]

CTC has only had two PGs since he arrived at IU, Hulls and Ferrell. Both have developed well, IMO. Abell transferred, but starts for Xavier.

Hulls was a shooting guard stuck in an un-athletic point guards body. Only thing that has developed with Ferrell is his shooting (not clutch shooting of course, Yogi's never seen a big shot he couldn't miss).

 

[BoilerGrad02]

CTC has only had two PGs since he arrived at IU, Hulls and Ferrell. Both have developed well, IMO. Abell transferred, but starts for Xavier.

Hulls was a shooting guard stuck in an un-athletic point guards body. Only thing that has developed with Ferrell is his shooting (not clutch shooting of course, Yogi's never seen a big shot he couldn't miss).

 

[BoilerGrad02]

CTC has only had two PGs since he arrived at IU, Hulls and Ferrell. Both have developed well, IMO. Abell transferred, but starts for Xavier.

Hulls was a shooting guard stuck in an un-athletic point guards body. Only thing that has developed with Ferrell is his shooting (not clutch shooting of course, Yogi's never seen a big shot he couldn't miss).