The First 6. -an odd trend !

[Wolegib]

We now have our first 6 commitments, and I expect many more to follow. It was said Joe Tiller was successful because he introduced an offense other BIG 10 teams hadn't really seen and were not prepared personnel wise to defend. I'm seeing a very similar trend with Brohm.

Looking back at last year, and now with his first 6 commitments, a trend stands out. None of Brohm's first 6 commitments received an offer from any BIG 10 school. I'm not saying Brohm isn't recruiting quality players. But the recruits he is getting are not the typical recruits our other conference schools are bringing in.

This may bring in an element of surprise and catch a couple of teams off guard.

 

[bonefish1]

We now have our first 6 commitments, and I expect many more to follow. It was said Joe Tiller was successful because he introduced an offense other BIG 10 teams hadn't really seen and were not prepared personnel wise to defend. I'm seeing a very similar trend with Brohm.

Looking back at last year, and now with his first 6 commitments, a trend stands out. None of Brohm's first 6 commitments received an offer from any BIG 10 school. I'm not saying Brohm isn't recruiting quality players. But the recruits he is getting are not the typical recruits our other conference schools are bringing in.

This may bring in an element of surprise and catch a couple of teams off guard.

Wow, that's a reach.
It should be a major concern if Brohm can only win recruiting battles against the MAC or non-power 5 schools.

 

[BBG]

Wow, that's a reach.
It should be a major concern if Brohm can only win recruiting battles against the MAC or non-power 5 schools.

Considering the mire we were in, it's going to take some time...and some winning, of anything.... To lure a consistent flow of recruits here.

This would be concerning if it was happening a couple years from now, but not at this juncture when all things are taken into account

 

[nat100]

Considering the mire we were in, it's going to take some time...and some winning, of anything.... To lure a consistent flow of recruits here.

This would be concerning I'd it was happening a couple years from now, but not at this juncture all things are taken into account

Also, notice the use of Big Ten offer v p5 offer. 3 of the 6 have offers from other p5 programs.

 

[Wolegib]

it's a curiosity rather than a concern. I pointed out a fact rather than provided speculation or opinion. the fact remains - none of the 6 commitments have received a BIG 10 offer.

If I wanted to draw conclusions or comparisons, or woe is me type posts, I would have talked about Minnesota and what they have done and who they have recruited in the same amount of time. Their recruits aren't ranked any higher, but the majority of them held offers from teams like UW, Iowa, MSU , Mich etc. or if I wanted to paint a happy picture, I would have talked about IU and U of I and the lack of their success.

Minnesota is off to a great start . Take a look. it could make you depressed. But in the end, I expect both recruiting classes to be the same size and equal talent level. I like Minnesota's class more because it is more in tune to my recruiting philosophy of signing players other BIG 10 teams are targeting. Brohm is targeting different types of players. Looking at the average rankings, his players are about the same talent level. they are just different.

If when the class size reaches 20+, and only half of his recruit have received power 5 offers, yes, I would be concerned.

 

[boiler1987]

We now have our first 6 commitments, and I expect many more to follow. It was said Joe Tiller was successful because he introduced an offense other BIG 10 teams hadn't really seen and were not prepared personnel wise to defend. I'm seeing a very similar trend with Brohm.

Looking back at last year, and now with his first 6 commitments, a trend stands out. None of Brohm's first 6 commitments received an offer from any BIG 10 school. I'm not saying Brohm isn't recruiting quality players. But the recruits he is getting are not the typical recruits our other conference schools are bringing in.

This may bring in an element of surprise and catch a couple of teams off guard.

Our 7th commitment had B1G offers and several other P5 offers too.

 

[Wolegib]

I knew as soon as I started this thread , our next recruit would have BIG 10 offers. WR McCoy - the 7th recruit - broke the string with offers from Iowa and Rutgers.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

I knew as soon as I started this thread , our next recruit would have BIG 10 offers. WR McCoy - the 7th recruit - broke the string with offers from Iowa and Rutgers.

Hopefully this helps you be a bit more patient. You have shown an incredible amount of negativity about Brohm and the program...only to be proven wrong at nearly every turn.

 

[Boilermaker]

I recommend guarded optimism with a supporting approach out the gate. Let us see what coach Brohm can do this year before we get too critical. I think we fans owe him that much.

 

[TheBoris]

I recommend guarded optimism with a supporting approach out the gate. Let us see what coach Brohm can do this year before we get too critical. I think we fans owe him that much.

I agree. We have many fans who are all jacked up about our new commits but truth is that we're still bringing in guys who chose Purdue over MACs and AACs. Seven commits and one guy had an offer from Iowa, that being the total of B1G offers for all seven.

 

[Wolegib]

Hopefully this helps you be a bit more patient. You have shown an incredible amount of negativity about Brohm and the program...only to be proven wrong at nearly every turn.

I have shown a tremendous amount of negativity to the program. I haven't been proven wrong at anything other than using the wrong names. When this team finishes over. .500, my negativity will be gone, but I will remain skeptical. If I wasn't lied to so much by people in charge, I would be more trusting and positive. I take my cue from the man on top. I have given Brohm props . Unfortunately, You have never read my posts about Hope and Hazell.

I have also been critical of Purdue's basketball program as well.

On the other side of the coin, we have people who are super positive. And we have many who look forward to and willingly accept mediocrity. I'm sorry, I no longer own or drive a GM or Ford. Blame the military. Blame my doctor. What I can't understand is how and why so many Purdue alums can accept mediocrity. That's not why I went to Purdue. If I wanted mediocrity, I would have gone to Valdosta or ISU, Or UW @ Whitewater.

 

[Boiler1219]

Hopefully this helps you be a bit more patient. You have shown an incredible amount of negativity about Brohm and the program...only to be proven wrong at nearly every turn.

I have shown a tremendous amount of negativity to the program. I haven't been proven wrong at anything other than using the wrong names. When this team finishes over. .500, my negativity will be gone, but I will remain skeptical. If I wasn't lied to so much by people in charge, I would be more trusting and positive. I take my cue from the man on top. I have given Brohm props . Unfortunately, You have never read my posts about Hope and Hazell.

I have also been critical of Purdue's basketball program as well.

On the other side of the coin, we have people who are super positive. And we have many who look forward to and willingly accept mediocrity. I'm sorry, I no longer own or drive a GM or Ford. Blame the military. Blame my doctor. What I can't understand is how and why so many Purdue alums can accept mediocrity. That's not why I went to Purdue. If I wanted mediocrity, I would have gone to Valdosta or ISU, Or UW @ Whitewater.

Being upbeat about a complete rebuild that's going to take a few years is not accepting mediocrity.

That's what I can't stand about Purdue fans like yourself. It's not like we've only been bad for the last 2 years, we haven't had back to back winning seasons in 10 years...We haven't finished ranked in end of season polls in 15 years. People outside of our fan base view us as an equal to Rutgers in the west, even worse with fans outside the Big Ten.

This generation of recruits has NEVER seen Purdue win at a high level, so there are a ton of negative connotations this staff has to fight with recruits, parents, opposing coaches negative recruiting Purdue.
So being rationally patient, even with a coach head and shoulders better than the last 2 is not accepting mediocrity. Recruiting at this level is still something Jeff is going to have to grow into, but it doesn't change the fact this staff knows the type of player they can be successful with and are willing to adapt based on everything GBI has reported.

 

[boiler1987]

I agree. We have many fans who are all jacked up about our new commits but truth is that we're still bringing in guys who chose Purdue over MACs and AACs. Seven commits and one guy had an offer from Iowa, that being the total of B1G offers for all seven.

So what? These are guys that our staff think can help us win. Do you think Brohm was bringing in guys at WKU that had multiple P5 offers? They didn't and he lead them to 30 wins in 3 years. With how god awful Hazell was, it'll take some time to right the ship. I'm guessing you won't be impressed until we're landing multiple 4* guys.

 

[Wolegib]

I speculate you know as much about boiler football and the key to winning as I do. Yet, you sound so sure Brohm will be successful based on his previous experience. Based on my experience, Agassi and Akers were also successful before they became Purdue coaches. it didn't turn out very well for either at Purdue. Hazell brought a winning tradition from OSU. Hope was the hand picked coach of the most successful coach in recent Purdue history. That didn't work so well either. On the other hand, Minn, IU, UW and Northwestern were all doormats at one time and all it took was one coach to turn around their fortunes. Pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical or if my standards are higher than most. but until Brohm proves he can be successful on the field, all this is just talk. And I'm not going to praise somebody for the way they talk. A lot of people liked the Hazell hiring and the way he talked.

Brohm dumped 2/3rds of Hazell's recruiting class. That was a good thing. Some of the players he brought in were better, some were not. Brohm invested heavier in the juco and transfer market than many power 5 coaches would ever dare to do. To me, that says he wants to win now. He didn't bring these guys in to be part of another 4 year rebuilding process. And if Brohm's plan in doing so was to win now, shouldn't we as fans also expect the same?

On a related note, aren't we now about 4-5 players over our scholarship limit ? Somebody is going to be let go soon.

You may hate me as a fan for wanting to win now, and not having the patience to wait another 2-5 years. I'm going to ask, should we expect Brohm to produce lesser results than Coach Kill produced at Minnesota ? Coach kill came to Minnesota via SIU and Northern Ill. His first season he went 3-9. His next 3 years, he went 6-7, 8-5 and 8-5 with three consecutive Bowl game appearances. I'm not expecting miracles. But considering the doormat Minn was, if Brohm can't equal that mark, I and many other Purdue fans will be deeply disappointed.

I'm glad you have blind faith in Brohm. Brohm has done many things well since his arrival. Brohm has put a lot more into this program than Hazell and his staff ever did. But is it enough to beat the competition? Rather than comparing Brohm to Hazell, I prefer to compare him to the other first year coaches at comparable schools - IU and Minn. He appears to be ahead of IU.

and if you re-read my original post, it was NOT negative. Rather it said Brohm's recruiting was different than the past. I didn't bad mouth the recruits. I just said they were not the type of players other BIG 10 teams were going after. if you thought that was a slam, then you are being TOO defensive. If you want to see one of my really negative posts, you should ask D Stewart., or anyone else from the old Mr. Gridiron forum.

 

[Wolegib]

So what? These are guys that our staff think can help us win. Do you think Brohm was bringing in guys at WKU that had multiple P5 offers? They didn't and he lead them to 30 wins in 3 years. With how god awful Hazell was, it'll take some time to right the ship. I'm guessing you won't be impressed until we're landing multiple 4* guys.

Multiple means two or more. Are you trying to say, that's not a realistic expectation? We almost had 3 last year; the Wr who went to Louisville; the athlete who went to Cincy and the DB transfer from ND that Purdue administration didn't accept academically. So YES, I kind of expect Purdue to sign multiple 4* athletes.

 

[boiler1987]

Multiple means two or more. Are you trying to say, that's not a realistic expectation? We almost had 3 last year; the Wr who went to Louisville; the athlete who went to Cincy and the DB transfer from ND that Purdue administration didn't accept academically. So YES, I kind of expect Purdue to sign multiple 4* athletes.

How often has purdue signed multiple 4* guys in one class even during our hay day of the Tiller years? I'll give you a hint: it didn't happen often.

 

[boiler1987]

I speculate you know as much about boiler football and the key to winning as I do. Yet, you sound so sure Brohm will be successful based on his previous experience. Based on my experience, Agassi and Akers were also successful before they became Purdue coaches. it didn't turn out very well for either at Purdue. Hazell brought a winning tradition from OSU. Hope was the hand picked coach of the most successful coach in recent Purdue history. That didn't work so well either. On the other hand, Minn, IU, UW and Northwestern were all doormats at one time and all it took was one coach to turn around their fortunes. Pardon me if I'm a bit skeptical or if my standards are higher than most. but until Brohm proves he can be successful on the field, all this is just talk. And I'm not going to praise somebody for the way they talk. A lot of people liked the Hazell hiring and the way he talked.

Brohm dumped 2/3rds of Hazell's recruiting class. That was a good thing. Some of the players he brought in were better, some were not. Brohm invested heavier in the juco and transfer market than many power 5 coaches would ever dare to do. To me, that says he wants to win now. He didn't bring these guys in to be part of another 4 year rebuilding process. And if Brohm's plan in doing so was to win now, shouldn't we as fans also expect the same?

On a related note, aren't we now about 4-5 players over our scholarship limit ? Somebody is going to be let go soon.

You may hate me as a fan for wanting to win now, and not having the patience to wait another 2-5 years. I'm going to ask, should we expect Brohm to produce lesser results than Coach Kill produced at Minnesota ? Coach kill came to Minnesota via SIU and Northern Ill. His first season he went 3-9. His next 3 years, he went 6-7, 8-5 and 8-5 with three consecutive Bowl game appearances. I'm not expecting miracles. But considering the doormat Minn was, if Brohm can't equal that mark, I and many other Purdue fans will be deeply disappointed.

I'm glad you have blind faith in Brohm. Brohm has done many things well since his arrival. Brohm has put a lot more into this program than Hazell and his staff ever did. But is it enough to beat the competition? Rather than comparing Brohm to Hazell, I prefer to compare him to the other first year coaches at comparable schools - IU and Minn. He appears to be ahead of IU.

and if you re-read my original post, it was NOT negative. Rather it said Brohm's recruiting was different than the past. I didn't bad mouth the recruits. I just said they were not the type of players other BIG 10 teams were going after. if you thought that was a slam, then you are being TOO defensive. If you want to see one of my really negative posts, you should ask D Stewart., or anyone else from the old Mr. Gridiron forum.

Didn't Tiller pick Spack but Burke said no because he didn't have head coaching experience? Pretty sure that's how it went down. When you are comparing Brohm to Kill, did Kill come to Minnesota after the worst 4 year stretch in their program's history like Brohm is doing?

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Hopefully this helps you be a bit more patient. You have shown an incredible amount of negativity about Brohm and the program...only to be proven wrong at nearly every turn.

WHERE ARE THE FIVE STARS!!!????

 

[Wolegib]

WHERE ARE THE FIVE STARS!!!????

I was trying to be realistic.

 

[Wolegib]

Didn't Tiller pick Spack but Burke said no because he didn't have head coaching experience? Pretty sure that's how it went down. When you are comparing Brohm to Kill, did Kill come to Minnesota after the worst 4 year stretch in their program's history like Brohm is doing?

Before Coach Kill arrived, playing their easy non-conference schedule, Minn was 1-11, 6-7, 7-6 and 3-9 the previous 4 years with two losses in the Insight Bowl. Hope and Hazell produced a similar record. In reviewing Purdue football, the Hope years were not the worst years in Purdue football. And why was Hope fired? Because going 6-6 and a minor bowl game just wasn't good enough. whooooooh, that seems like what I've been saying all along. Hope was fired because his mediocrity was not good enough. Hazell was fired because almost everyone lost patience with him. I'm kind of hoping Brohm will be better than Hope, not just bring us back to his level.

 

[TheBoris]

Before Coach Kill arrived, playing their easy non-conference schedule, Minn was 1-11, 6-7, 7-6 and 3-9 the previous 4 years with two losses in the Insight Bowl. Hope and Hazell produced a similar record. In reviewing Purdue football, the Hope years were not the worst years in Purdue football. And why was Hope fired? Because going 6-6 and a minor bowl game just wasn't good enough. whooooooh, that seems like what I've been saying all along. Hope was fired because his mediocrity was not good enough. Hazell was fired because almost everyone lost patience with him. I'm kind of hoping Brohm will be better than Hope, not just bring us back to his level.

Considering the train wreck that Brohm stepped into, I think one more win each year would be considered good progress. That would be 4 wins in 2017, 5 wins in 2018, etc, so that after 6 years we're looking at a 9 win team.

 

[FirstDownB]

Before Coach Kill arrived, playing their easy non-conference schedule, Minn was 1-11, 6-7, 7-6 and 3-9 the previous 4 years with two losses in the Insight Bowl. Hope and Hazell produced a similar record. In reviewing Purdue football, the Hope years were not the worst years in Purdue football. And why was Hope fired? Because going 6-6 and a minor bowl game just wasn't good enough. whooooooh, that seems like what I've been saying all along. Hope was fired because his mediocrity was not good enough. Hazell was fired because almost everyone lost patience with him. I'm kind of hoping Brohm will be better than Hope, not just bring us back to his level.

Kill's first complete recruiting class (2012) at UofM was ranked #72. His subsequent classes rarely cracked Top 50.

 

[nat100]

Didn't Tiller pick Spack but Burke said no because he didn't have head coaching experience? Pretty sure that's how it went down. When you are comparing Brohm to Kill, did Kill come to Minnesota after the worst 4 year stretch in their program's history like Brohm is doing?

That is a myth. Considering 2 of the other 3 finalists had no coaching experience, that wasnt the reason.

 

[boilermaker75]

That is a myth. Considering 2 of the other 3 finalists had no coaching experience, that wasnt the reason.

Another myth is that Tiller picked Hope. That is absolutely not correct.

 

[nat100]

Another myth is that Tiller picked Hope. That is absolutely not correct.

Agreed. He wanted Spack.

 

[FirstDownB]

Back to the OP, after several more commits (up to 11 now), the trend that has emerged --> this staff isn't going to wait around to see if other P5 coaches and talent evaluators think a recruit is worthy of an offer. They are trusting their own evaluations, instincts and pouncing, maybe taking a necessary gamble on development in some areas. The profiles all read the same.. Offers from MAC level programs with bigger fish sniffing around. Telltale will be how many of these recruits end up with more than a sniff from the bigger fish. And then, of course the biggie, how many of those remain committed to NSD.

 

[ossim]

Its way better to be the first offer before the other programs come in than be the first offer a month before NSD.