That switch to zone was critical...
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Critical or not, I was glad to see it as it suggests that they are practicing it. Best to be ready when/if they need to use a zone.
Dean Smith, Jim Valvano, Mike Krzyzewski, Rick Pitino, Jim Boeheim, and Billy Tubbs are just a few examples of coaches that used (or still use) variations of zones prominently throughout the course of their careers. It has (or did benefit) benefitted their teams countless times. You wouldn't consider them poor coaches, would you? Don't you think it would be more beneficial for a coach and his/her teams to consistently practice more than one basic offensive or defensive scheme on a year-to-year basis?
I guess I fell asleep for a few because I never did see a zone. I think the OP was a little TIC
be careful because when you state "variations of zone" then all coaches that play man qualify.
Around the 13:00 mark of the 2nd half there were 2 possessions where IH just stayed in the middle and didn't guard a man. I'm guessing that is what Beth is talking about. It would be a big stretch to call it a zone but him staying in the paint with no one immediately around him made it look different than normal.
Not getting into the zone discussion tonight. I enjoyed the game very much and leaving it at that.
If I was pulling the talent those guys pulled I'd play about any damn thing. And FTR I never said it wasn't a good idea to never play zone I said most zone I see that's any good is pulled off by teams who use it as their base defense. Most teams are awful at it. In out case it could very well reduce the great advantage we have in rebounding. I'd prefer we just get better at man and maybe spend some time on a press.
if the guy is no threat outside then you would back off of normal man and just plug up the middle if the coach wanted and yes it would be legit to suggest that it he was playing like a one man zone, but not a zone. Zone or man, the lines of demarcation can be very blurred and have suggested that for some time. In high school games rarely are all five players defended honestly. I'm trying to remember when Kip Jones played. I know you posted you were there in 88, but Kip was one that was rarely guarded until he was on the blocks. Either way we both know we don't really want Haas too far from the basket and Wisconsin 5's did not require that.
Kip was there the same years that I was. Went from a skinny HS player avg 30 a game to a bulked up guy who couldn't shoot beyond 2 feet (including FT's). Played a critical role on some excellent teams though.
his Ft
His FT's were an adventure for sure. I had a player that was an invited walkon (roomed with Jimmy Oliver),but hurt his knee running the hills of slater preseason and ended up not plahing again. Jeff Arnold was tearing them up before he was kicked off. Saw Ryan Berning this summer at the instrasquad scrimmage and never recognized him...put on some weight.
Did anyone notice how Wisconsin kept working the ball down low the beginning of the game and scored a lot of easy baskets? Like Minnesota and most teams we play this year, the opp scores a lot of layups when Haas is not in the game. Did anyone else notice this? BTW, I counted at least 3 times when Haap shot and hit nothing but backboard against Haas. Actually one of Haas' best defensive plays was when you knew the guard was driving to put up a shot. Haas timed it well, but still the shot went over him and fell in. However, another time their all star forward drove looking at Haas and Mathias picked up the foul. The block of the night and the year so far was by Vince though. BTW, how many play came off a Haas pick that resulted in a wide open jump shot. I counted 3, but I picked up on it late.
I am glad to see Haas getting more aggressive on the offensive glass, but again I hope the DL Coach teaches him the swim move. However, Haas does a lot that does not show up on the stat sheet. When Haas steps up on the pick, the rest of the D has done a good job picking up Haas' man until he recovers, They blew it one time against Minny. Vince had a nice D effort and it is always good to see Cline helping out on the boards like Mathias does. PJ continues his steady work. Caleb continues to hustle and it is good to see his shot get better along with his D.
I was wondering if that was the "zone" in question. If so, still no zone from Purdue...sorry zone fans. No one in his right mind would make Isaac the point of a 3-2 zone. It just looked like it because the center was outside and Haas didn't have to respect his outside shot. This a good example of TJreese's point about man and zone being similar.
Haas plays solid post defense. The challenge is that a lot of opponents don't play a traditional post anymore and his off ball defense isn't as good.
This refs generally let the game go like an old Big Ten game. Also, Wisconsin 5's are not a threat out and so that too allowed Haas to stay at home. I thought Haas has played well teh last couple fo game...getting more aggressive and going with power
The Vincent Edwards block was electric....some really good hustle plays from the Boilers last night; would have liked to have been there.
nuanced perhaps, but I don't see it as off ball defense because he has done a good job in the low post generally. I think that Haas has a hard time in space and that is his issue more than off ball. He just has a lot of cargo to move whether on the ball or off. When they let body contact happen inside and are willing to call fouls with people dig at the ball....Haas is VERY effective! I'm sure we are just using different words and connotations.
I could be wrong but I think the original post was meant to be sarcasm.
The main point of my post is that the opp scores a lot of layups when Haas is NOT in the game. The fact that they do not score a lot of layups when Haas is in the game MEANS his off the ball defense is good. If you watch the game against Wisconsin again, you will see Haas step up on the pick preventing the layup and allowing the defender to recover. Meanwhile the Purdue D has done a good job on their center when he rolls to the basket allowing Haas to recover. This is great team D. So far, Haap is the best offensive center Haas went against and he did a great job.
Only since people could run with this..it was man D the team was playing. In man D Haase did not need to respect their 5s perimeter play and backed off of his "man" until his "man" became a threat
I know you know this, but some may not and that just feeds some
Hey I don't have time to put TIC on all my posts. Some people are simply uneducable and if they want to run with it so be it.
A point I try to convince people of...a good M2M is a zone.
Wisconsin was scoring almost all of their points in the paint. It was a very good move to keep Haas in the middle. He disrupted the only thing that seemed to be working for them.
Yea thanks I get that. I was simply pointing out the point in the game that another poster thought we were playing zone. when in fact it was just IH playing the middle and not coming out on a player that wasn't a threat.
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