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I don't think he's hurt. It's just a matter of their coach figuring out his rotation and deciding who his 4-man is going to be. There was a stretch in which Aminu (the incumbent) was injured, and I thought Caleb would get a good long look, but instead they went with a tandem of Noah Vonleh and Ed Davis.
Vonleh, I believe, is at that stage where they need to figure out what they have in him. He's still young, but he's in his fourth year (I believe). Therefore, they seem to giving him a chance to nail down a rotational spot. He doesn't score, but he rebounds pretty well. I have no idea about his D since I haven't watched the games and have instead been checking the box score.
I'm guessing this year will be a learning year for Caleb, and it'll be all about his figuring out the League, improving, and remaining ready for his chance. It's all about winning, so if they slide, and Aminu/Vonleh/Davis start putting up an aggregate eight points and eight rebounds per game, Caleb will get the call. If they win at a reasonable clip and one or more of the above trio plays well, the chances will be sparse.
I still say, when the smoke clears, Caleb will be a solid pro. It just might take a couple years for that to happen.
Vonleh, I believe, is at that stage where they need to figure out what they have in him. He's still young, but he's in his fourth year (I believe). Therefore, they seem to giving him a chance to nail down a rotational spot. He doesn't score, but he rebounds pretty well. I have no idea about his D since I haven't watched the games and have instead been checking the box score.
I'm guessing this year will be a learning year for Caleb, and it'll be all about his figuring out the League, improving, and remaining ready for his chance. It's all about winning, so if they slide, and Aminu/Vonleh/Davis start putting up an aggregate eight points and eight rebounds per game, Caleb will get the call. If they win at a reasonable clip and one or more of the above trio plays well, the chances will be sparse.
I still say, when the smoke clears, Caleb will be a solid pro. It just might take a couple years for that to happen.
I will say Caleb has exceeded expectations.
I'm not sure if Wilson has even played a minute for the Bucks. Wilson will join a long list of Bucks' first round flops and was drafted before Swanigan. . They lucked into drafting Giannis. he was not their preferred choice.
I'm not sure if Wilson has even played a minute for the Bucks. Wilson will join a long list of Bucks' first round flops and was drafted before Swanigan. . They lucked into drafting Giannis. he was not their preferred choice.
His draft stock wasn't going to get any better, and he has 5 million guaranteed. He made a great decision.
For what to get injured and to potentially never get an opportunity? This game isn't always about us and our fandom, we should be happy he obtained his goal of making it to the NBA. He even indicated on Twitter that he is graduating from Purdue (only took him 2.5yrs). He got an education and made it to the league. I for one am happy for him and wish him the absolute best. He has obtained every goal he has made prior, so I fully expect him to be back in the league in no time.
Exactly this. Everyone knew for all his strengths, his greatest hurdle in finding a spot in the NBA would be to defend NBA stretch 4 types. That wasn't going to drastically change with another year at Purdue. As long as he keeps his Biggie mindset that got him to the league, I think he will continue to improve in that area. While he will not be NBA elite athletically, he is still very young with plenty of ceiling to improve upon. This move is ultimately good for him vs sitting the pine every night.
He made tremendous strides between FR and SO season. Most players continue improving. I don't think anyone here can know if it would have been a drastic improvement, or not.
I'm happy he's making his millions.
It's also interesting to speculate how he would have developed with an additional year of growth and maturity. There's a reason he's being sent to the G league.
Sure. What I don't get is people who argue that he made a mistake leaving early or should have stayed at Purdue with the basis that he would only improve at Purdue or - put another way - not improve in the pros or the G League. To me, in the pros, he can focus even more on his body and skills without the burden of course work and with a safety net of money in the bank for him and his loved ones.
Some people lose motivation without every game on TV, but Biggie doesn't strike me as that type. He's going to get playing time opportunities against other almost NBA level guys and he can work exclusively on the things he needs to work on. To me, it's a good situation for him vs sitting on the pine.
Guaranteed an NBA salary $3.2 million, could have been insured up to $10 million if he returned for his Junior year. Will he improve more in the G-League vs at Purdue for his Junior season, doubtful but possible. Did he take a risk, certainly. His call all the way and like any difficult decision time will tell if it was the best financial and overall decision for him!
Anyone thinking Biggie should of stayed is fooling themselves and basing it purely off of their own self interest and not his. He made the right choice to go and staying would of only hurt his draft stock.
The NBA is a different animal in terms of how the game is played so no amount of staying at Purdue would of helped him realize that. I have zero doubt he will be back on the Portland bench soon as he goes and dominates the G-league.
The NBA is a different animal in terms of how the game is played so no amount of staying at Purdue would of helped him realize that. I have zero doubt he will be back on the Portland bench soon as he goes and dominates the G-league.
And that’s with a lot of knowledgeable people saying CMP watches a lot of then NBA and tailors his offense to things he sees from that.
So biggie is playing in the G league and his counterpart Wilson is still on an NBA team. So what? Does that mean Biggie should have stayed at Purdue?
Some of you come across as huge whiners. Why should Biggie have stayed? So YOU can get your elusive championship you crave? on the day Biggie signed his LOI, he said coming to Purdue was a business decision. When he left Purdue, he made another business decision.
if he stayed, He'd be an All American. Maybe even player of the year. maybe a national champion. Look at the previous players of the year. Were they #1 draft picks? Was Biggie's draft stock going to get any higher.
Many times when a player is sent to the G league, it's not to learn and improve their game. it's just to keep their legs active and get some playing time. Portland already had a couple of big guys and also drafted a couple of big guys. Biggie wasn't getting any playing time. I don't see this as a demotion. I see this as Portland wanting to give biggie some extended playing time to better evaluate his talent.
Some of you come across as huge whiners. Why should Biggie have stayed? So YOU can get your elusive championship you crave? on the day Biggie signed his LOI, he said coming to Purdue was a business decision. When he left Purdue, he made another business decision.
if he stayed, He'd be an All American. Maybe even player of the year. maybe a national champion. Look at the previous players of the year. Were they #1 draft picks? Was Biggie's draft stock going to get any higher.
Many times when a player is sent to the G league, it's not to learn and improve their game. it's just to keep their legs active and get some playing time. Portland already had a couple of big guys and also drafted a couple of big guys. Biggie wasn't getting any playing time. I don't see this as a demotion. I see this as Portland wanting to give biggie some extended playing time to better evaluate his talent.
The insurance would have given him financial security, but it doesn't seem that was his goal. His goal was to play in the NBA with and against the best players. Even in the G-League, he will play against better players, top-to-bottom, than he would have if he stayed at at Purdue.
I'm not sure what is lacking in his game that sent him to the G-League (quickness on D?), but whatever it is, would another year in college and being coached by Painter have improved it?
Until we know what was lacking how can anyone say he could or couldn’t? Not many return from the G league better unless it is pure shooting or learning a different position. I saw a ton of improvement from his Frosh-Soph years through his hard work and coaching and would bet that he would be taken earlier in the draft even if he made marginal Soph-Junior years improvement. As I said time will tell!
I'm curious as to this insurance check people keep talking about. if biggie came back and was named player of the year and then drafted where last year's player of the year was drafted I n the second round, would he get that $10 million paycheck? or would that paycheck only kick in if he became injured? Would he receive that $10 million paycheck if he were the 16th player drafted this year?
As I look at Purdue and our 4 seniors, I highly doubt biggie would have a bigger individual year this year over last year. I can't believe he could elevate his game to an even higher level. I think Purdue as a team may be better. but in saying that, how much greater could they be?
the only thing remaining for biggie was a national championship. Even with it, he wasn't going to improve his draft stock. I believe he made the right choice.
As I look at Purdue and our 4 seniors, I highly doubt biggie would have a bigger individual year this year over last year. I can't believe he could elevate his game to an even higher level. I think Purdue as a team may be better. but in saying that, how much greater could they be?
the only thing remaining for biggie was a national championship. Even with it, he wasn't going to improve his draft stock. I believe he made the right choice.
As I understand it, the insurance covers what he was projected to make. He was projected at the end of the first round so his value would have been around 5 million. If his injury knocked him out of the first round, but he still got drafted, it would split the difference to his projected value. If he was never able to play again, he would have received the assessed value.
It wasn't just about him getting injured that would affect his stock. He had a monster season and finished as runner up national player of the year. Anything less than that would have hurt his stock because he wasn't going to be taller or more athletic. Staying would have been silly and kept him out an extra year. The goal is always the second contract, because it isn't capped. One year closer to the big payout.
Biggie is more than good enough to make a roster and he played well enough. A team with the right system or willingness to play him is what he needs. He will be back and if Portland is going to put him in the development league, they need to trade him or trade somebody ahead of him. He was outperforming his stock.
so if he was perfectly healthy, but if his draft stock went down, the insurance would not kick in ?
he made the right decision.
Hell, I wouldn’t put is past Biggie to go to his GM and say something to the effect of: if you aren’t going to play me, I’m not going to get better. I’d rather play in the G League, improve on what you and the coach want me to...instead of sitting on the bench.’
Yes, his draft stock could have went higher. If Purdue gets to the Final Four with him this year he could have been a lottery pick and no lottery picks go to the G league in their first season.
True..or if the team chemistry is not the same and they tanked, or if he has a lesser year, or if he is injured then he could be in a far inferior situation.
He and family thought it through, he is wealthy, his family is comfortable, and he is working at a kids' game. Good for him. Stop being selfish with what ifs...
Quite frankly in my opinion he made the right decision to leave while his stock was high. Remember Melo trimble he had a very good freshman year his stock was high probably should have left instead came back had a mediocre sophomore year and junior year was better but by that time to many question marks about his game. Left his junior year put his name in the draft went undrafted and now in G-league I believe. Bottom line even if Biggie stayed and purdue wins it all it would not have raised his stock anymore as a matter of fact could have hurt his stock especially the way the team is playing right now with the balance it has this season. Biggie had question marks and you don’t want to expose that at all cost when he could be getting paid working on those areas of his game that has question marks. Miles bridges had an amazing season last year y’all of him being Big 10 player of the year well having watch MS he’s having a good year but not Big 10 player type year why bcuz of other players emerging like Langford, JJ and nick ward better balance now so it’s hurting his stock in a way as well. Portland has so many players at his position on that team just not enough minutes for him so to keep Biggie playing send him to G-league were he should do very well than when he gets his opportunity they will call him back up. How I see it he made the right choice bcuz came to purdue with a goal in mind to get to NBA and used all that purdue had to offer him to get were he wanted to go no shame in that at all. Wish him all the best his time will vome
Biggie was red lining his motor last year with the goal of getting into the draft. That dream became a reality so why would he come back to college and have to red line his motor again this year with the chance of getting hurt and dashing his NBA dream?
I would have LOVED for him to come back. We are a top 5 team with him. But he did what he had to do to secure his family financially and to realize a life long dream. Good for him.
I would have LOVED for him to come back. We are a top 5 team with him. But he did what he had to do to secure his family financially and to realize a life long dream. Good for him.
Can you tell me how it could have gotten higher just curious as to why you think so even if purdue gets to a final 4. You think miles bridges stock is higher and he was a lottery pick and as of now his stock is no higher as of now even if MS gets to a final 4 unless he is the reason by his play they get there but with the balance they have right now I doubt his stock goes any higher. Bridges got hurt twice already nothing major but that could also affect your draft stock. I get your logic but in Biggie position his stock would not get any better even if he came back and purdue wins it all he still would have some questions about things to his game they would question. He did improve on many areas of his game but I believe the biggest question mark he has is can he defend prototype 4s and as of now not as good yet so you don’t want to expose areas of his game that would hurt his stock. Either way purdue is sitting good and Biggie is living his dream no more sleeping in cars no more foster homes he and his family living out his dream with him.
Could have worked on extending his jump shot farther from the basket and worked on facing up to the basket from the wing and high post and driving to the basket to name a couple...
What? It’s basketball every day as much as he wants now. You don’t think he’s working on those things now?
There are a lot of NBA draft picks who go higher in the draft because of their perceived value if their team does well. For example, Josh Jackson, Zach Collins, Buddy Hield, Denzel Valentine, Frank Kaminsky, Sam Dekker, Marcus Smart, Nik Stauskas, Adreian Payne. This is only the last few years and all of these were taken higher than Biggie was last year by at least 10 spots. Also got bigger contracts.
Honestly, Biggie probably went higher last year because Purdue won the Big Ten. If we would go further in the dance this year, he could have possibly went top 15.
Honestly, Biggie probably went higher last year because Purdue won the Big Ten. If we would go further in the dance this year, he could have possibly went top 15.
Unfortunatly, I just dont think he fits into the NBA game. Not fast enough, or big enough for particular positions.
This is one subject I have done a 180 on over the years. I used to say stay in school no matter what. I now say take the money if is there. There are very few that have the opportunity to make money playing a sport. No better time take the cash when you are young. You can go back and get an education anytime.
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