The Terps were already going to be a force, and it looks like they're adding more firepower with Sulaimon. With that being said, Sulaimon was pretty inconsistent, and had his issues, so we'll see how he fits in.
Sulaimon to Maryland
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I think he's eligible this year too, right? If so, him and Melo make for a really good backcourt.
Yes, Sulaimon is immediaitely eligible. Trimble, at least in my opinion, is more of an 'off-guard' than a PG, but, you can get away with that in college bball. That backcourt, to go with Layman, Robert Carter Jr, and Stone...scary
So, with Indiana having next season's reigning "greatest backcourt in all of CBBall and on the face of the Earth", could the addition of Suliamon to the Terps knock mighty IU from their self-appointed #1 perch??
can someone explain to me why this kid is immediately eligible? Seems odd that a player who is removed from a team for violation of team rules can just flip to another team and begin playing immediately.
Not really much of a punishment is it? Maybe there is more to the story that I haven't read about.
Not really much of a punishment is it? Maybe there is more to the story that I haven't read about.
Certainly they are good at bringing big talent to there program....and coach has been ok too. Certainly out preformed us last year. We will see about 2015-16.
He's expected to finish up course work this summer to graduate. So he's got his 5th year still.
Not if we get Swanigan.
Hell, maybe even if we don't!
With him I think we're right there as favorites w the Terps.
I would tend to agree with this. We should be no worse than 2nd assuming our PG position is average (Hill will hopefully help) and we land Swanigan but we need guys to develop and step up.
Just curious but in what way is Trimble more of an "off guard"? He had the ball in his hands far more than any other Maryland player last season. He lead them in assists and drew the most fouls and had the highest percentage of shots on the team that he created for himself (lowest % of shots that were assisted). The entire offense basically ran through him except for the periodic clear outs for Wells.
This seems like a 50-50 decision for Maryland to add him. They already have what should be a good team and are adding a player that, while talented, is also inconsistent and apparently difficult to coach. They will still be good no matter what happens, but I could see Sulaimon being a distraction for them.
Maybe 'off guard' was the wrong verbage. Trimble is a scoring guard. James Harden racks up a lot of assists, but he's more a 2 guard, and his first option, much like Trimble's, is to score the rock. Not saying Trimble can't be successful at the point, but I don't see him as a true Pg. Yes, he did have a bunch of assists, but like you referred to, I think that was more of a product of having the ball in his hands so much than his Pg skills/passing skills.
I guess what you are saying is that he isn't a passive, pass first PG. He's a playmaker. He is elite at driving the basketball and he usually either scores, draws a foul, or kicks it out to an open shooter. Much like James Harden, he's got that ability to create contact and draw fouls.
You won't be even if you get Swanigan. Maryland is hands down the favorite right now. Let me repeat that, RIGHT NOW. Things can change once the season starts but as things stand, they had a better year last season, return just as much as anyone in the B10 and is bringing in as good of talent as anyone in the B10. I don't think it's really much of an argument to say they're the favorite.
Well, glad you cleared that up! Heaven forbid someone have an opinion differing from yours on an opinion board.
I agree that Maryland should be the favorite, but it shouldn't be lost that they are losing an all Big Ten performer in Dez Wells. They also are assimilating 3 new starters apparently. It is really a new team and it is hard to know how good they'll be. This isn't a slam dunk like Wisconsin was at the beginning of this past season.
I do agree about Wells. I think he brought a lot to that team that is hard to replicate. I do agree as well that it's not like Wisky last year either. There are probably 5 teams that wouldn't shock me if they won the B10 (Maryland, MSU, UM, IU, PU).
Neither does Purdue. I just throw that out there to make sure you all don't lose your $hit.
So let me get this straight........You say "IU has no shot at winning the B10 next year" and you claim that's a fact? Uh, ok. Pretty sure that seems like nothing more than your opinion, which is fine, I disagree. Seems to me that the media thinks IU has more of a shot to win the B10 than Purdue does. Clearly those guys don't have your "facts." LOL
You're still judging your season on what some bloggers wrote in April and calling them facts. I'm assuming all of the changes that have taken place the last two weeks went right over your head there in rainbow land. You may want to stay tuned. All of these changes you have been predicting for IU are being eliminated by the fact that nothing has really changed in Bloomington. It's only May and the directions of our two programs are already polor opposites. But you go ahead and keep quoting those articles from April.
When did I ever call anything fact? It's all my opinion and seems a lot of others share my opinion. I'm projecting what could happen for IU based on looking at what our strengths and weaknesses were last year and what did we do to make our team better. We lost no critical players. We brought in exactly what we were lacking in a 6'11 McDonald's All American center. Then I look at what others teams lost/added and I can make a rational projection. Have you ever had a civil basketball discussion with someone other than Purdue fans? It's not like I'm calling IU to win a lock. I'm just saying it's very possible. Just like with Purdue. Or UM. Or MSU. Or Maryland.
At this point, Maryland is the clear cut favorite. But directly behind them are a group of teams in MSU, IU, PU and UM. I think any of those four can finish in any position within that group. Hell, like I said earlier, I wouldn't be surprised to see anyone within that group of five teams mentioned win the conference. Those five teams (IN MY OPINION) are head and shoulders above the rest. I'm not passing anything off as fact other than IU addressed it's biggest need this year. That's the only fact. My point in referencing publications/analysts that have IU ranked merely points to an outsiders perspective. I know you like to constantly look through your urine and black colored glasses, but take them off and try and have a civilized conversation.
No? That's funny. Why would people have IU ranked higher than all the other B10 teams outside of Maryland and MSU? If IU doesn't have a chance, then Purdue has zero hope to compete either.
Because the season just ended and bloggers know people like you will eat up their fantasy scenarios about the unknowns. Perhaps you should weigh your fantasy against what is known and see what you come up with.
Ya, you must be right. They ranked IU ahead of PU and the rest of those B10 teams for views. LOL.
You want to know what is known? The outlier when it comes to defenses for IU over the last five years.
Kenpom Adj. Defense for IU:
2011: 143rd
2012: 84th
2013: 28th
2014: 47th
2015: 214th
2011 we had only Pritchard in the post player over 6'9. Then we basically brought everyone back and added a legit big man and look what happened. Our defense continued to improve while we had a real big man in the post. 2015 we had zero big man in the post and our defense suffered. Three starters from the 2014 team are still there. It's not like they just forgot how to play defense. It's 100% Crean's fault for bad roster management and for IU not having a reliable big man. What was our biggest issue last year? Yup, you guessed it. Defense. See how it's not too hard to think we'll be better defensively? Even though defense isn't Crean's strength, he hasn't been as terrible as he was last year. We'll clearly be fine offensively. Add in a better defense and it's not hard to think we'll be a very tough team.
It's fine if you object to what I'm saying, but why not try and do so in a civilized way. We can chat basketball without being brash toward one another.
IU returns a talented roster, and they did add a critical player to their front court. I think it is premature to say they have no shot. In fact, I think they very definitly have the potential to win the BIG. (I know many of you are waiting for the other shoe to drop, like "...if all the other BIG schools come down with the flu for the last month of the season. Ha ha". No, for once I agree with SNU.
I think the following has to happen to give IU a chance, but it is possible:
- Bryant has to play above his likely freshman front line expectations. He has to be really good. He will be playing against even higher ranked big men on a few of the other BIG teams, and against some very experienced, older bigs on still more teams.
- The IU backcourt must play better defense. 'nuff said.
- IU must execute their offense in the half court, and do it reliably and consistently. No dry spells.
- Crean needs to coach better than he has to date. No more pulling the hot shooter off the court. No more overly rigorous practices before big games. No more weird switching defenses.
- The team must develop better internal chemistry than what I have observed this past year.
All these things are possible. Hence, IU is a possible BIG contender this coming year. That is fine with me. I would much rather have the BIG championship go throught the two Indiana schools than anywhere else.
Because that happens all the time yet you blow your wad in the pre-season and fail during the B1G. I know, how about you shut your biased trap and go cut down some nets for dropping a deuce? Good God you're a moron.
Don't you know that SNU's opinion is the only one that matters even when he is posting on a rival's forum?
Thanks for a reasonable response. Pretty fair assessment. The only one I would comment on is the first for Bryant. I think your statement is correct specifically on the defensive side of the ball. I don't expect him to be a huge offensive weapon averaging 15 points per game. He just needs to be able to score in one on one situations in the post. The rest of your points are pretty accurate and fair if IU is hoping to get better. I've been saying now for a bit that the game at IU could have huge implications for both teams. Gonna be a fun one (finally).IU returns a talented roster, and they did add a critical player to their front court. I think it is premature to say they have no shot. In fact, I think they very definitly have the potential to win the BIG. (I know many of you are waiting for the other shoe to drop, like "...if all the other BIG schools come down with the flu for the last month of the season. Ha ha". No, for once I agree with SNU.
I think the following has to happen to give IU a chance, but it is possible:
- Bryant has to play above his likely freshman front line expectations. He has to be really good. He will be playing against even higher ranked big men on a few of the other BIG teams, and against some very experienced, older bigs on still more teams.
- The IU backcourt must play better defense. 'nuff said.
- IU must execute their offense in the half court, and do it reliably and consistently. No dry spells.
- Crean needs to coach better than he has to date. No more pulling the hot shooter off the court. No more overly rigorous practices before big games. No more weird switching defenses.
- The team must develop better internal chemistry than what I have observed this past year.
All these things are possible. Hence, IU is a possible BIG contender this coming year. That is fine with me. I would much rather have the BIG championship go throught the two Indiana schools than anywhere else.
Yeah, I think that's fair. I didn't mean to knock Trimble at all...I like his game a lot. I don't think a team 'needs' to have a PG, SG, SF, etc (or all 5 positions covered) to win. Just give me playmakers.
