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4 and 5 star players on each roster: osu 66 wis 20, no big revelation there but w/ both schools being urban campuses, do you guys think that plays a big part in getting these types of players? Purdue's recruiting has got to get better,
 

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4 and 5 star players on each roster: osu 66 wis 20, no big revelation there but w/ both schools being urban campuses, do you guys think that plays a big part in getting these types of players? Purdue's recruiting has got to get better,

Winning is a recipe for recruiting regardless of where you're located. Look at ND. I think if Brohm could string together a few good seasons in a row, he might be able to improve his recruiting. Plus, skill players want to play for teams that showcase their skills. That's why Brohm had been able to recruit some good WRs and QBs. And why, because of the lack of running game and OL, that he hasn't been able to recruit at the RB position.
 

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Winning is a recipe for recruiting regardless of where you're located. Look at ND. I think if Brohm could string together a few good seasons in a row, he might be able to improve his recruiting. Plus, skill players want to play for teams that showcase their skills. That's why Brohm had been able to recruit some good WRs and QBs. And why, because of the lack of running game and OL, that he hasn't been able to recruit at the RB position.
and LB's
 

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Purdue needs to become more of a fixture in the transfer market. Target the high end, proven G5 players looking to make a move to the bigger stage. We're never going to compete head-to-head with OSU or ND for recruits. LB position needs immediate upgrades. Stop investing 4 years in low 3 star guys with zero Big Ten offers. Let Northern Illinois and Kent State weed them out for you and harvest their best 2 years. Become known as THE destination school in the Big Ten for transfers.
 

PaBoiler78

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Purdue needs to become more of a fixture in the transfer market. Target the high end, proven G5 players looking to make a move to the bigger stage. We're never going to compete head-to-head with OSU or ND for recruits. LB position needs immediate upgrades. Stop investing 4 years in low 3 star guys with zero Big Ten offers. Let Northern Illinois and Kent State weed them out for you and harvest their best 2 years. Become known as THE destination school in the Big Ten for transfers.
2019 was a really good recruiting class w/26 commits, 12 of those 26 are currently on this year's team.
 

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2019 was a really good recruiting class w/26 commits, 12 of those 26 are currently on this year's team.
The 2019 class stirred up a ton of optimism. Four years later what's left is just a fragment of the potential. The voids have been filled with walk-ons, underclassmen, and some (not enough) transfers. Attrition is always going to be an issue when recruiting players who are not college ready.
 

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Purdue needs to become more of a fixture in the transfer market. Target the high end, proven G5 players looking to make a move to the bigger stage. We're never going to compete head-to-head with OSU or ND for recruits. LB position needs immediate upgrades. Stop investing 4 years in low 3 star guys with zero Big Ten offers. Let Northern Illinois and Kent State weed them out for you and harvest their best 2 years. Become known as THE destination school in the Big Ten for transfers.
To even have a chance to be that, they will have to take a significant step from a NIL standpoint.

HS recruiting has not been great...maybe more concerning has been actual player development (or, lack thereof). Either way, to your point, the transfer portal has to become a source, if not THE source...and, it can't be for guys that are not going to be impactful. The fact that Indinia had success would suggest that, if done well, Purdue absolutely could/should as well.
 

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Winning is a recipe for recruiting regardless of where you're located. Look at ND. I think if Brohm could string together a few good seasons in a row, he might be able to improve his recruiting. Plus, skill players want to play for teams that showcase their skills. That's why Brohm had been able to recruit some good WRs and QBs. And why, because of the lack of running game and OL, that he hasn't been able to recruit at the RB position.
Which, was why this year was/is an important one on the heels of last year, and, with the favorable schedule.

Think about the fact that Purdue beat Tennessee...without a number of key guys (including their best 2 players in Bell and Karlaftis), and, look at where Tennessee is...and, where Purdue is. That win was definitely impressive, but, to look at the respective programs right now...wow, what a disparity...there already was a gap, but, it is an immense one as it stands.
 
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To even have a chance to be that, they will have to take a significant step from a NIL standpoint.

HS recruiting has not been great...maybe more concerning has been actual player development (or, lack thereof). Either way, to your point, the transfer portal has to become a source, if not THE source...and, it can't be for guys that are not going to be impactful. The fact that Indinia had success would suggest that, if done well, Purdue absolutely could/should as well.
A better NIL game certainly wouldn't hurt. But consider some of the key contributors Purdue has gotten through the portal without sizzling NIL deals.

On this year's roster alone: Jones, Jefferson, Downing, Thompson, Burton, Brothers, Taylor, Tracy. They are all in the 2 deeps (barring injury) and ahead of most of the high school recruits from the last 4 classes. It would be great to add a few prized transfers, but even just recruiting more of these guys would improve the quality of depth. The hit rate on transfers has been about twice that of HS recruits.

To your point, this is probably masking a development issue, but step 1 is to recognize where the development isn't happening and plug those holes. But frankly I'm not sure Purdue is ever going to be a program that recruits and develops well at all positions.
 

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A better NIL game certainly wouldn't hurt. But consider some of the key contributors Purdue has gotten through the portal without sizzling NIL deals.

On this year's roster alone: Jones, Jefferson, Downing, Thompson, Burton, Brothers, Taylor, Tracy. They are all in the 2 deeps (barring injury) and ahead of most of the high school recruits from the last 4 classes. It would be great to add a few prized transfers, but even just recruiting more of these guys would improve the quality of depth.

To your point, this is probably masking a development issue, but step 1 is to recognize where the development isn't happening and plug those holes. But frankly I'm not sure Purdue is ever going to be a program that recruits and develops well at all positions.
Agree on everything...only point I would make is that the transfers on this roster were largely pre-NIL, and, that it will likely be a more important consideration (and factor) moving forward.
 

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Agree on everything...only point I would make is that the transfers on this roster were largely pre-NIL, and, that it will likely be a more important consideration (and factor) moving forward.
Understood. But Ohio State is chasing Justin Fields with their money, not Austin Burton. That isn't going to change.
 
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A better NIL game certainly wouldn't hurt. But consider some of the key contributors Purdue has gotten through the portal without sizzling NIL deals.

On this year's roster alone: Jones, Jefferson, Downing, Thompson, Burton, Brothers, Taylor, Tracy. They are all in the 2 deeps (barring injury) and ahead of most of the high school recruits from the last 4 classes. It would be great to add a few prized transfers, but even just recruiting more of these guys would improve the quality of depth. The hit rate on transfers has been about twice that of HS recruits.

To your point, this is probably masking a development issue, but step 1 is to recognize where the development isn't happening and plug those holes. But frankly I'm not sure Purdue is ever going to be a program that recruits and develops well at all positions.
To your last point...it is masking a developmental issue, but, that was identified/recognized seemingly at OL, and, yet...the attempts to plug those holes have not gone well or been generally successful either.
 
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To your last point...it is masking a developmental issue, but, that was identified/recognized seemingly at OL, and, yet...the attempts to plug those holes have not gone well or been generally successful either.
Disagree. Again, it is a numbers game.

Steinmetz, Evans, Edwards, Witt, and Long were all starters.
Johnson and Finau tbd. There haven't been many busts out of the OL transfers.

Now compare that to the OL recruits in the same time period. There were about 8 medical retirements and several guys who transferred out. This year we finally have a 2 deep of mostly home-grown starters, but it has taken some significant over-recruiting of the position to get there, taking scholarships from other areas of need.
 
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A better NIL game certainly wouldn't hurt. But consider some of the key contributors Purdue has gotten through the portal without sizzling NIL deals.

On this year's roster alone: Jones, Jefferson, Downing, Thompson, Burton, Brothers, Taylor, Tracy. They are all in the 2 deeps (barring injury) and ahead of most of the high school recruits from the last 4 classes. It would be great to add a few prized transfers, but even just recruiting more of these guys would improve the quality of depth. The hit rate on transfers has been about twice that of HS recruits.

To your point, this is probably masking a development issue, but step 1 is to recognize where the development isn't happening and plug those holes. But frankly I'm not sure Purdue is ever going to be a program that recruits and develops well at all positions.

Totally agree on this. This staff has done a pretty nice job on transfer recruiting. Sure, there have been a couple of misses (Sampson James as an example). But for the most part, these guys are clearly filling the gaps with pretty good depth.

Obviously Brohm knocked it out of the park with Charlie Jones. But I've been very impressed with Jefferson and Downing (he clearly worked his @ss off losing weight and gaining speed in the offseason).
 

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Disagree. Again, it is a numbers game.

Steinmetz, Evans, Edwards, Witt, and Long were all starters.
Johnson and Finau tbd. There haven't been many busts out of the OL transfers.

Now compare that to the OL recruits in the same time period. There were about 8 medical retirements and several guys who transferred out. This year we finally have a 2 deep of mostly home-grown starters, but it has taken some significant over-recruiting of the position to get there, taking scholarships from other areas of need.
Don't agree obviously with the point as to those guys all being starters, but, are they quality starters, or, just bigger/better than the other options that Purdue had at the position (either because of a miss or failure to develop)?

Purdue STILL can't line up in a short yardage situation and generate any push/win the line or convert (more often than not).
 
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Don't agree obviously with the point as to those guys all being starters, but, are they quality starters, or, just bigger/better than the other options that Purdue had at the position (either because of a miss or failure to develop)?

Purdue STILL can't line up in a short yardage situation and generate any push/win the line or convert (more often than not).
Mostly just better options. A few of them might have started on other Big Ten teams. Just saying with all else equal I'd take more of them and fewer marginal HS recruits. Neither one gives you an outstanding line, but the transfer route actually reduces attrition, which increases average age and and utilizes more of your 85 scholarships.
 
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Mostly just better options. A few of them might have started on other Big Ten teams. Just saying with all else equal I'd take more of them and fewer marginal HS recruits. Neither one gives you an outstanding line, but the transfer route actually reduces attrition, which increases average age and and utilizes more of your 85 scholarships.
I don't think that there is any question that a guy that has experience, and, a track record...at the college level...is much more a known commodity regardless, and, likely produces better results over the long-term at the position...especially at a place like Purdue where development has been lacking seemingly.
 

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4 and 5 star players on each roster: osu 66 wis 20, no big revelation there but w/ both schools being urban campuses, do you guys think that plays a big part in getting these types of players? Purdue's recruiting has got to get better,

Tuscaloosa, AL and Athens, GA, probably got both OSU and Wisconsin beat.