Starters:
5 Haas
4 Swanigan
3 Edwards
2 Mathias
1 Albrecht
Bench:
2 Cline
3-4 Smotherman
1-2 C Edwards
1 PJ
4-5 Taylor
5 Haas
4 Swanigan
3 Edwards
2 Mathias
1 Albrecht
Bench:
2 Cline
3-4 Smotherman
1-2 C Edwards
1 PJ
4-5 Taylor
Starting 5
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I like it. I think PJ starts for a bit until Spike can show he is game ready. But I don't envisioneed that being the case come B1G season.
This will not be close by November. Not because it is not well thought-out now, but because all the players are not known at this time.
Not sure there is anyone left to add that could beat out those starters. If your referring to Swanigan or VE leaving, I don't see it. Swanigan is pretty smart, I think he will eventually see the writing on the wall.
I'm not referring to anything specific, I just think it is far too early to project this. Not that it isn't fun to do so. There is progress to be made in the offseason, there are new players added, perhaps Junior college or graduate transfer. there are players who may leave, just suspect this will be in the neighborhood of 40% inaccurate, depending on whether you are projecting the Nov starters or the Jan starters.
I think the starter at point guard will be similar to this season. PJ and Spike will both see starts and average 20 mpg give or take a few minutes. If Swanigan is back, the rest of the lineup sets itself except I think you could possibly see Cline and Mathias swapped every now and again.
I think the next question is how many minutes per game can Haas average because our offense has to change this year when he goes out. No more two-headed monster at the 5. Hopefully he can average closer to 30 mpg than 20 mpg.
Just for fun, and making some vast improvement assumptions, but not out of the question, ponder this lineup:
1. Albrecht
2. Edwards
3. Smotherman
4. Taylor
5. Haas.
This is just for fun, so no attacks allowed.
1. Albrecht
2. Edwards
3. Smotherman
4. Taylor
5. Haas.
This is just for fun, so no attacks allowed.
I don't expect much more than 20-25 min. per game out of Haas. Fouls will probably catch up to him. I do think Swanigan will play 35+ min. per game & slide into that 5 spot when Haas is out. I also expect Vince to be 30-35 min. per game. Mathias & Cline are pretty much interchangeable & either could start. I do think Spike is a pretty big upgrade to PJ if he's healthy. I also think CE has the possibility to start over both of them.
If Spike starts, it will be interesting to see where Edwards falls into everything. Will PJT get PT over him? The vet with experience or the young guy with more potential. Whoever starts, I hope Edwards is getting at least 15 mpg this year to develop if he is as good as most on here think.
More cautious optimism than really excited in my case if they both return, especially given what happened this past season.
Would still like to see them add an athletic wing as well.
Maybe Purdue's most athletic line-up, but would be challenged potentially offensively and definitely a lack of perimeter shooting/scoring...some potential issues certainly at the defensive end as well.
yeah, outside shooting could be a challenge, although Taylor showed one glimpse of glory. But penetration could be fun, plus if there is offseason improvement, the D could be fun and exciting. What if our steals went up and we allowed/developed a transition game?
interesting w/edwards at the 2.
was already thinking w/o CS also, what about
start the year with
5 haas
4/3 v.edwards / smotherman
2 mathias
1 thompson
then later maybe c.edwards is more up to speed - starters:
5 haas
4/3 v.edwards / smotherman
2 mathias
1 c.edwards
substitution 1 lineup
5 taylor
4 v.edwards
3 mathias
2 c.edwards
1 thompson
substitution 2 lineup
5 haas
4/3 taylor / smotherman
2 cline
1 albrecht
My fantasizing is that the offseason improvements would make this lineup a possibility. Fun stuff.
With Edwards not getting a combine invite, I think it is near 100% he returns (and my sources say that is likely the case as well). I do like the altered timeline for underclassman that allows them to attend the combine because not getting an invite is writing on the wall. Swanigan coming back really depends on his succes at the combine, not in individual drills but in the scrimmage portions. In the individual drills, I think the scouts and GM's will see he lacks a bit of lateral quickness on the outside but has good movement and hip bend to improve that over time. The question is how does he stack up against the increased competition level at the combine. Refresh my memory, but he didn't fare incredibly well in the MDAA's game did he..granted that was an all star game.
He had 2 points and 5 rebounds in the MDAA game...that said, that game hardly constitutes a game, and it is definitely not best suited for a guy like Swanigan.
Like you, I believe that the scrimmages will be the key factor in his case...his measurables are generally good...his wingspan is something that GMs will love...and the fact that he only recently just turned 19 is a plus as well potentially.
I searched all year for the word that I thought we lacked ... I've settled on "grit." Maybe I'm too sensitive to the Cardinal/Bird/Foster style, but we just didn't have that "We are NOT going to lose" mentality. I may be overreaching in trying to increase that, but it's MAY, what the hell.
Shaka Smart stuff, or Razorback 30 minutes of hell.
Not much love for Cline in your mix. I'm thinking he's gonna be hard to keep off the floor by mid-season.
yeah, he and even pjt would probably get too few minutes in those scenarios.
if we truly went smaller and didn't have haas & taylor together as much, i'd slot him in stealling taylor's second lineup of minutes away.
even though cmp didn't always do it, i'd think any of the guards could get more minutes if they became hot shooting on a given night.
Lets not assume a guy who has been injured, hasn't played much lately is gonna comeback and be really good , hopefully he will, but you really don't know, and with all the workouts to get back is shape , the injury could come back, so I wouldn't put Albrecht as a starter.
He is and he will. I'm expecting him to get closer to 20 by the B1G. He's a combo guard by nature, so this will allow him to ease into the point position.
I'm still not sold that he gets minutes at all. If BS tears it up this year, what has really changed from a year ago for him? He's not a 5... Biggie will get those minutes.
I don't really care who starts. Some are obvious starters. I would prefer to see the lineup based on matchups with the other team and who is playing and practicing well. Who starts in this day and age is mostly an ego thing. What's important is who plays well during a specific game.....and that is not always a "starter".
My just for fun goes into sub patternsto get where I want to go...
Start
1. Spike
2. Mathias
3. Vince
4. Swannigan
5. Haas
First Substitution
1. Thompson
2. Cline
3. Mathias
4. Vince
5. Swannigan
Second Substitution
1. Spike
2. Carson
3. Cline
4. Basil
5. Haas
Starts with our heavy lineup but then goes smaller the rest of the half. I see Taylor playing when either Haas or Swannigan get into foul trouble.
Did I mess up Caleb's name? I always do. He will probably leave now because of me!
You're spelling error is most certainly CMP's fault. He didn't spend enough time teaching you how to spell it.
I'll be very surprised if Carsen Edwards doesn't beat out PJ and Spike for the starting job at the 1.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how much more production we get offensively from the 2 position over what we got from Ray last year when he played 30 minutes/game. I think because Painter won't have a guy he feels he has to play 30-35 minutes at the 2 like he did Ray, there will be a lot more minutes to go around between the 1 and 2 spots...meaning Carsen, Spike, PJ, Cline and Mathias can all get decent playing time. I forsee Carsen, Mathias and Cline getting most of those minutes with Spike and PJ filling in 10-12 per game.
I think we can throw 4 really good shooters out there 1-4 which will leave Haas or Swanigan able to not be double teamed on the block (Cedwards/Spike/PJ, mathias, cline, vince)...something we couldn't do last year very often.
I'm also looking forward to seeing how much more production we get offensively from the 2 position over what we got from Ray last year when he played 30 minutes/game. I think because Painter won't have a guy he feels he has to play 30-35 minutes at the 2 like he did Ray, there will be a lot more minutes to go around between the 1 and 2 spots...meaning Carsen, Spike, PJ, Cline and Mathias can all get decent playing time. I forsee Carsen, Mathias and Cline getting most of those minutes with Spike and PJ filling in 10-12 per game.
I think we can throw 4 really good shooters out there 1-4 which will leave Haas or Swanigan able to not be double teamed on the block (Cedwards/Spike/PJ, mathias, cline, vince)...something we couldn't do last year very often.
With 2/3 interchangeable here is a fun optimist starting lineup to think about.....
5 Haas
4 Swanigan
3 Smotherman
2 Edwards
1 Edwards
Means Carsen Edwards turns out to be a stud and Smotherman is too good to keep off the floor....and we are flat out good & deep!
That was the thought behind my hopeful lineup too ... it's MAY and anything goes .....
With Basil, Carson ,Vince and Jacquil playing next year, I really hope we push the ball up the court more for 2 reasons:
1.) These guys will be big time finishers if they get a run at the rim &
2.) It's a style which could help us recruit some big time 2017-2018 prospects
1.) These guys will be big time finishers if they get a run at the rim &
2.) It's a style which could help us recruit some big time 2017-2018 prospects
I am single handedly destroying Purdue basketball.
I hope so too.
However in years past we didn't seem to go much up tempo despite a roster that became more conducive to it (select games, tourney, etc only).
What would make us hopeful that we will now though, especially with a 5 less suited for it?
Think 2 tier approach. ISAAC and a couple of shooters or our dunk and pop squad - then change it out and RUN ! ! It would definitely make it tough to prepare for and if they try to leave a starter in, we'll wear them out by crunch time.
In that scenario Taylor gets minutes when one or both haas and Swanigan get in foul trouble.
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