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South end zone project?

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While we're on the topic of the future of the program, I wonder if this was part of the talks to retain JB?
Would love to see the S end zone closed, with maybe a beer garden deck, suites, etc connected directly to Mackey and the rest of the football complex.
 
Folks may not realize it, but that south endzone beer area takes some of the pressure off the tight seating in the stands. Those last couple of games with everybody wearing their arctic circle weather gear added 2-3 people to a row that weren't there; what made it tolerable were the fans that found their way down to the south endzone and stayed there for a majority of the game.
 
Since I changed my seats to the South End Zone, I like it a lot better than the 50 yard line where I use to sit. So much easier to get in and out , besides tickets costing a hell of a lot less.
 
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Folks may not realize it, but that south endzone beer area takes some of the pressure off the tight seating in the stands. Those last couple of games with everybody wearing their arctic circle weather gear added 2-3 people to a row that weren't there; what made it tolerable were the fans that found their way down to the south endzone and stayed there for a majority of the game.

I agree, but I think they can incorporate that into a design that closes off the end zone
 
carmin j&c update

"When does the south end zone project start to take shape?

Before those words started to settle, athletic director Mike Bobinski stopped me.

“It’s more than that,” he said. “It’s the whole place.”

When Bobinski said the whole place, he means the entire stadium. Not just the south end zone. He’s talking about dealing with an upper deck in some fashion. Upgrades across the board. Whatever needs fixing or improved, Bobinski wants to include it in whatever comprehensive plan is developed."
 
carmin j&c update

"When does the south end zone project start to take shape?

Before those words started to settle, athletic director Mike Bobinski stopped me.

“It’s more than that,” he said. “It’s the whole place.”

When Bobinski said the whole place, he means the entire stadium. Not just the south end zone. He’s talking about dealing with an upper deck in some fashion. Upgrades across the board. Whatever needs fixing or improved, Bobinski wants to include it in whatever comprehensive plan is developed."
Somewhat disappointing. I thought the plan was going to be laid out this year. Seems like the study is this year and then the firm will start developing a design. No timing on when we’ll see a design and a plan. Then there is no head room to borrow $$. We will need fundraising. Looks like the tent in the end zone could be there for years
 
carmin j&c update

"When does the south end zone project start to take shape?

Before those words started to settle, athletic director Mike Bobinski stopped me.

“It’s more than that,” he said. “It’s the whole place.”

When Bobinski said the whole place, he means the entire stadium. Not just the south end zone. He’s talking about dealing with an upper deck in some fashion. Upgrades across the board. Whatever needs fixing or improved, Bobinski wants to include it in whatever comprehensive plan is developed."
Besides the SE end zone and scoreboard, what else will come from this next round of stadium changes?
 
I think what they will do is look towards possible sponsorship (would really like Red Gold to step up with the CEO being a Purdue grad) and large donations from invested alumni. You could easily be looking at more than a $75 million renovation to the stadium if it is done right to make it usable for the next 20 to 30 years:

1. Renovated south end zone with multi-purpose building (I've heard athletic dining hall and sports nutrition thrown around)
2. Renovated exterior with a focus on the north end zone entrance (need to make the exterior all brick imo)
3. Updated sound and visuals (massive video board on south end zone and smaller board on north end zone)
4. Potential playing surface upgrade
5. Potential press box updating (the thing is nearing 20 years old)

My personal addition would be cut in to the north endzone stands some what and open that up slightly if they do actually 'close off' the south end zone. Just a cut out the area at the top of the stands above (grey area) the 'R' and 'D' in the south end zone. You would be losing the worst seats left in the stadium and could then add a smaller second deck to make up for the lost seating.
 
I wonder if any press box renovation would involve lowering where the main cameras are situated? When I watch a game at Ross-Ade on TV it seems harder to see the action compared to other stadiums because the cameras are higher and therefore further away.
 
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If Purdue isgoing to this level of renovation then I would like to see a massive integration of RossAde with Mackey and the other nearby sport buildings.
 
I think what they will do is look towards possible sponsorship (would really like Red Gold to step up with the CEO being a Purdue grad) and large donations from invested alumni. You could easily be looking at more than a $75 million renovation to the stadium if it is done right to make it usable for the next 20 to 30 years:

1. Renovated south end zone with multi-purpose building (I've heard athletic dining hall and sports nutrition thrown around)
2. Renovated exterior with a focus on the north end zone entrance (need to make the exterior all brick imo)
3. Updated sound and visuals (massive video board on south end zone and smaller board on north end zone)
4. Potential playing surface upgrade
5. Potential press box updating (the thing is nearing 20 years old)

My personal addition would be cut in to the north endzone stands some what and open that up slightly if they do actually 'close off' the south end zone. Just a cut out the area at the top of the stands above (grey area) the 'R' and 'D' in the south end zone. You would be losing the worst seats left in the stadium and could then add a smaller second deck to make up for the lost seating.
Playing surface upgrade? Their field is in great condition. Not much more needs to be done.
 
Not a chance they get rid of grass given how involved our turfgrass management majors are in the preparation. A good grass field beats turf 15 times out of 10, so why ditch it if we've got a great team to maintain it?

Along with the south endzone, would love to see a rebuild of the north endzone. Google the Mizzou renovations for an example.
 
Not a chance they get rid of grass given how involved our turfgrass management majors are in the preparation. A good grass field beats turf 15 times out of 10, so why ditch it if we've got a great team to maintain it?

Along with the south endzone, would love to see a rebuild of the north endzone. Google the Mizzou renovations for an example.
Except we don’t maintain it. “15 times out of 10” past years it’s been an embarrassment. It’s been painted dirt by the end of the year. I agree this year seemed better. But there’s no valid reason to have grass except for tradition with the ag school. Fieldturf is superior in virtually any metric. Sooner or later we will replace the grass.
 
Except we don’t maintain it. “15 times out of 10” past years it’s been an embarrassment. It’s been painted dirt by the end of the year. I agree this year seemed better. But there’s no valid reason to have grass except for tradition with the ag school. Fieldturf is superior in virtually any metric. Sooner or later we will replace the grass.

Bucket Game 2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935422

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400869698

Bucket Game 2015 (sorry i had to include this)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400763581

Watch the highlights in those links. The field looked great in the final game each of the last 3 years. If you've got the ability and means to maintain grass, you use grass.
 
Bucket Game 2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935422

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400869698

Bucket Game 2015 (sorry i had to include this)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400763581

Watch the highlights in those links. The field looked great in the final game each of the last 3 years. If you've got the ability and means to maintain grass, you use grass.
What I was referencing was that if Brohm favors field turf and he believes it helps his offense, especially in colder conditions....Do you think they will prioritize the Ag Department's want for a single field vs. a coach who is now making near $6 million a year? Again, the Ag Sciences group still has access to baseball, softball, soccer, the practice football field, and the golf courses. Plenty of other spaces.
 
I thought it was interesting when Purdue invented Prescription Athletic Turf (PAT) in the mid-60s. They could quickly drain the field or pump water into it. I thought it would be interesting to pump water in front of the opponents ball carriers and receivers to make them slip and drain the water from where our defenders needed good footing. The same on offense nullifying their defenders' ability to be effective.
 
I thought it was interesting when Purdue invented Prescription Athletic Turf (PAT) in the mid-60s. They could quickly drain the field or pump water into it. I thought it would be interesting to pump water in front of the opponents ball carriers and receivers to make them slip and drain the water from where our defenders needed good footing. The same on offense nullifying their defenders' ability to be effective.
They also have large pumps that drain the field if heavy rains come days or the night before any game.
 
I think what they will do is look towards possible sponsorship (would really like Red Gold to step up with the CEO being a Purdue grad) and large donations from invested alumni. You could easily be looking at more than a $75 million renovation to the stadium if it is done right to make it usable for the next 20 to 30 years:

1. Renovated south end zone with multi-purpose building (I've heard athletic dining hall and sports nutrition thrown around)
2. Renovated exterior with a focus on the north end zone entrance (need to make the exterior all brick imo)
3. Updated sound and visuals (massive video board on south end zone and smaller board on north end zone)
4. Potential playing surface upgrade
5. Potential press box updating (the thing is nearing 20 years old)

My personal addition would be cut in to the north endzone stands some what and open that up slightly if they do actually 'close off' the south end zone. Just a cut out the area at the top of the stands above (grey area) the 'R' and 'D' in the south end zone. You would be losing the worst seats left in the stadium and could then add a smaller second deck to make up for the lost seating.

All are good suggestions. I completely agree with sponsorships helping with the funding. Out here on the East Coast, I work across the street from 4 Bechtel buildings. Their corporate headquarters used to be across the street from me here in Frederick MD, they have since moved to Reston VA. The current owner Stephen Bechtel Jr is a Purdue alum. He is a co-owner with his son Riley. Stephen Jr is the grandson of the founder.
I wonder if the AD or JPC has ever reached out to Bechtel Corporation about donations before. I have no idea.
 
Folks may not realize it, but that south endzone beer area takes some of the pressure off the tight seating in the stands. Those last couple of games with everybody wearing their arctic circle weather gear added 2-3 people to a row that weren't there; what made it tolerable were the fans that found their way down to the south endzone and stayed there for a majority of the game.

And besides, who doesn't love the idea of a "beer area"?!
 
I thought it was interesting when Purdue invented Prescription Athletic Turf (PAT) in the mid-60s. They could quickly drain the field or pump water into it. I thought it would be interesting to pump water in front of the opponents ball carriers and receivers to make them slip and drain the water from where our defenders needed good footing. The same on offense nullifying their defenders' ability to be effective.

I once played a high school game where the home team had the local fire department flood our sideline so that we would all be playing with mud caked on our cleats to slow us down and their's were clean. Pretty creative. BTW, we kicked the crap out of them anyway. The funny part is, it was only a spring football game that didn't count towards anything.
 
Bucket Game 2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935422

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400869698

Bucket Game 2015 (sorry i had to include this)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400763581

Watch the highlights in those links. The field looked great in the final game each of the last 3 years. If you've got the ability and means to maintain grass, you use grass.
It doesn’t look great. Technically I only looked at the 2015 game. But you really have to be up close to determine the condition. There’s a close up of an IU touchdown where you see even the end zone is torn up. I agree they do a better job now than Hope/Tiller years but there’s no way that field is in better shape than FieldTurf would be. It’s a tradition, that’s all. Let the Ag School go nuts with a Pete Dye golf course. We should be maximizing our team’s potential and grass in November isn’t it. I get people’s nostalgia for it. I can appreciate it. But I’m sure Brohm would tear it out tomorrow if he could.
 
Bucket Game 2017
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400935422

Wisconsin 2016
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400869698

Bucket Game 2015 (sorry i had to include this)
http://www.espn.com/college-football/game?gameId=400763581

Watch the highlights in those links. The field looked great in the final game each of the last 3 years. If you've got the ability and means to maintain grass, you use grass.


This is just a terrible look for trying to grow grass in the summer when you have camps and recruits on campus. That picture (next post) is from June ‘15.

I would be open to possibly a hybrid grass/artificial turf like in Lambeau as an alternative.
 
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As i showed above in my examples, it's not looked like that in many years. They've done a great job with upkeep. A nice, well-kept grass field is always better than turf. If recruits put any weight on field surface, I'd think it's more attractive to have nice grass.

The "turf benefits our offense" argument is lame. The grass we have is so short that it plays like turf anyways. Rondale Moore is going to burn guys down the field either way.
 
Not a chance they get rid of grass given how involved our turfgrass management majors are in the preparation. A good grass field beats turf 15 times out of 10, so why ditch it if we've got a great team to maintain it?

Along with the south endzone, would love to see a rebuild of the north endzone. Google the Mizzou renovations for an example.
If Brohm wants turf, then turf it will be. The turf management school can practice away on the soccer and baseball fields.
 
Not a first class look. The stands don’t help either. I wonder if there has been any consideration given to painting the concrete. The gray bleeds through the gold and black and makes them look drab (especially the gold) from any angle besides directly overhead.
 
A nice, well-kept grass field is always better than turf. If recruits put any weight on field surface, I'd think it's more attractive to have nice grass.

If this were even remotely true, not a single southern major college program with a grass growing season into late November would have FieldTurf. And yet the exact opposite is true.
 
Not a first class look. The stands don’t help either. I wonder if there has been any consideration given to painting the concrete. The gray bleeds through the gold and black and makes them look drab (especially the gold) from any angle besides directly overhead.
Can't paint the concrete unless you want to paint it....grey. Paint it black and people would be melting in September and October. It would seem like a huge waste of money and resources to paint concrete grey when its already grey. Possibly painting or replacing the seating would be better...could even have a shortened back installed on them as well.
Frisco-TX-Soccer-Stadium1.jpg
 
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Can't paint the concrete unless you want to paint it....grey. Paint it black and people would be melting in September and October. It would seem like a huge waste of money and resources to paint concrete grey when its already grey. Possibly painting or replacing the seating would be better...could even have a shortened back installed on them as well.
Frisco-TX-Soccer-Stadium1.jpg
You're probably right about the paint being a waste of money. I think the problem with the bleachers is the gold. Gold is unforgiving. Putting the right shade of gold on a material that looks good in a variety of lighting is always difficult (see all gold jerseys). And in this case the original color is diluted by weathering and mixed with grey concrete from a distance. Ends up looking drab. I look at the photo above and immediately think of two things would improve the aesthetics: (1) rich green turf (2) uniform black bleachers
 
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Can't paint the concrete unless you want to paint it....grey. Paint it black and people would be melting in September and October. It would seem like a huge waste of money and resources to paint concrete grey when its already grey. Possibly painting or replacing the seating would be better...could even have a shortened back installed on them as well.
Frisco-TX-Soccer-Stadium1.jpg
Hey- did you know Papa Johns stadium has seat backs?
You're probably right about the paint being a waste of money. I think the problem with the bleachers is the gold. Gold is unforgiving. Putting the right shade of gold on a material that looks good in a variety of lighting is always difficult (see all gold jerseys). And in this case the original color is diluted by weathering and mixed with grey concrete from a distance. Ends up looking drab. I look at the photo above and immediately think of two things would improve the aesthetics: (1) rich green turf (2) uniform black bleachers
You could fry an egg on black bleachers during those first few games of the season though.
 
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carmin j&c update

"When does the south end zone project start to take shape?

Before those words started to settle, athletic director Mike Bobinski stopped me.

“It’s more than that,” he said. “It’s the whole place.”

When Bobinski said the whole place, he means the entire stadium. Not just the south end zone. He’s talking about dealing with an upper deck in some fashion. Upgrades across the board. Whatever needs fixing or improved, Bobinski wants to include it in whatever comprehensive plan is developed."

MBob might be in line for a raise! He gets that a strong football program is the financial driver for everything else and understands you have to invest.
 
I once played a high school game where the home team had the local fire department flood our sideline so that we would all be playing with mud caked on our cleats to slow us down and their's were clean. Pretty creative. BTW, we kicked the crap out of them anyway. The funny part is, it was only a spring football game that didn't count towards anything.

In my high school years of the late 80’s, Penn ( Mishawaka) used to let their grass grow really long before our match up in order to try and slow down our athletes. It didn’t effect Penn as much because they just ran the hell out of the ball like Wisky.
 
Hey- did you know Papa Johns stadium has seat backs?
You could fry an egg on black bleachers during those first few games of the season though.
But 2/3 of the stadium already is black bleachers. If you want to fix both problems (heat and aesthetics) then just go with the standard silver/gray bleachers. Of course then people will be upset that it isn't a school color. I don't hate the idea of a seatback, but we can only aspire to those levels of eliteness!
 
Google says $720M. But for half of that you can have a nice modern stadium like Minnesota or Baylor. So if anyone has 300 mil lying around..
Wasn’t like $100 million of that for the retractable roof that gets used 1-2 times a year?
 
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