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Some inherent Hazell-isms when looking at a team that, to be fair, was not as god awful YET, as some

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Hazell teams have been.

And let's face it, before we argue anything if you support Hazell or this administration, we start with the awareness that this coach has been WORSE than a list of bad, bad coaches. I'm in essence arguing that Drew Peterson killed his 4th wife, and you're arguing prejudice in my claim, but you're still defending Drew Peterson... so, we need to both be aware of that if you think that I'm "not watching" if I don't see that we're better.

I saw a team that benefitted from experience and had a few guys who could do some things.. but here's what I also saw:

1. "Up ten points! This game is ours... let's run the clock out FOR AN ENTIRE HALF." This guy just has no concept that playing not to lose is what gets you beat. You need to go get that score to put you up 17 NOW, if you have a team where you want them, because you never know what crazy turn of events will turn a 10 point lead into dust just because the ball didn't bounce your way or a freshman made a freshman mistake. Larry Bird wasn't looking for knock out threes up 5 with 2 minutes left because he thought, "a three would make me feel good now, I'd be a happy guy if I hit one." You make your opposition feel as though with every chance you get, you're sprinting as far away from them as you can, and they have to suck wind to chase you.

2. Still with the cushion on the edges. Look, Darrell Hazell and his staff think you're an idiot. They know that a loss where a team racks up 350 bend but don't break yards on short stuff underneath a lake-wide cushion.. often lacks that vitriolic "what the F just happened to us" reaction you get when.. you give up 250 yards but also get beat for two sportscenter long bombs. Hazell would rather get nickled and dimed all day and play that whole "aww shucks, we tried hard but it just didn't happen" then get his guys right up in the opposing receivers faces and say "if you want to beat me, you're going to have to do it way the F back there"

3. We're very limited in where we can execute a pass. You'll see an occassional play action deep ball where a guy is wide open get hit deep. We can hit the gimme passes away from the defender on the outside short or inside short, and you get that occasional short seem sit down pass, but I'm imagining if we looked at some sort of sabermetric gathering of where on a field we execute a play, there are huge areas that are just completely off limits, and that was TODAY, against EKU.

4. Still with this thing where we think we can waste a play. Broken play on first down where we look like a Pop Warner team and a pass doesn't look like a college pass on 1st and 10? No sweat! "We'll get them on the next play. I mean, we'll have plenty of chances!" Then, when 4th and 1 comes up short on a run my grandma could predict, you find out that that first and 10 where you didn't do anything.. That WAS your chance.

These are all things that the "well, if you can't appreciate Shoop, you're just a disgruntled Bears fan" crowd can feel free to write off.. just remember it in 3 weeks and 5 weeks and 7 weeks when you're acting mystified about a loss. Remember these four things.
 
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A lot of people on here would have been happier with a loss just so they could pound their chest, and say I told ya so. It's BS.
 
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Hazell teams have been.

And let's face it, before we argue anything if you support Hazell or this administration, we start with the awareness that this coach has been WORSE than a list of bad, bad coaches. I'm in essence arguing that Drew Peterson killed his 4th wife, and you're arguing prejudice in my claim, but you're still defending Drew Peterson... so, we need to both be aware of that if you think that I'm "not watching" if I don't see that we're better.

I saw a team that benefitted from experience and had a few guys who could do some things.. but here's what I also saw:

1. "Up ten points! This game is ours... let's run the clock out FOR AN ENTIRE HALF." This guy just has no concept that playing not to lose is what gets you beat. You need to go get that score to put you up 17 NOW, if you have a team where you want them, because you never know what crazy turn of events will turn a 10 point lead into dust just because the ball didn't bounce your way or a freshman made a freshman mistake. Larry Bird wasn't looking for knock out threes up 5 with 2 minutes left because he thought, "a three would make me feel good now, I'd be a happy guy if I hit one." You make your opposition feel as though with every chance you get, you're sprinting as far away from them as you can, and they have to suck wind to chase you.

2. Still with the cushion on the edges. Look, Darrell Hazell and his staff think you're an idiot. They know that a loss where a team racks up 350 bend but don't break yards on short stuff underneath a lake-wide cushion.. often lacks that vitriolic "what the F just happened to us" reaction you get when.. you give up 250 yards but also get beat for two sportscenter long bombs. Hazell would rather get nickled and dimed all day and play that whole "aww shucks, we tried hard but it just didn't happen" then get his guys right up in the opposing receivers faces and say "if you want to beat me, you're going to have to do it way the F back there"

3. We're very limited in where we can execute a pass. You'll see an occassional play action deep ball where a guy is wide open get hit deep. We can hit the gimme passes away from the defender on the outside short or inside short, and you get that occasional short seem sit down pass, but I'm imagining if we looked at some sort of sabermetric gathering of where on a field we execute a play, there are huge areas that are just completely off limits, and that was TODAY, against EKU.

4. Still with this thing where we think we can waste a play. Broken play on first down where we look like a Pop Warner team and a pass doesn't look like a college pass on 1st and 10? No sweat! "We'll get them on the next play. I mean, we'll have plenty of chances!" Then, when 4th and 1 comes up short on a run my grandma could predict, you find out that that first and 10 where you didn't do anything.. That WAS your chance.

These are all things that the "well, if you can't appreciate Shoop, you're just a disgruntled Bears fan" crowd can feel free to write off.. just remember it in 3 weeks and 5 weeks and 7 weeks when you're acting mystified about a loss. Remember these four things.
Um... What?
 
A lot of people on here would have been happier with a loss just so they could pound their chest, and say I told ya so. It's BS.

It's all relative. If we looked like this against Wisconsin and won I'd be elated... Because, you know, ... They're Wisconsin...

But there were several bad habitual things the program still has going on. These things just happen to be things you can get away with against EKU.
 
We did not dominate. We always should versus an FCS team but in the Hope/Hazell era we are fortunate to post a "W" , it seems. On defense our DB's not only cant cover, they also are poor tacklers-no hitters. On offense-too many dropped passes and still despite Shoup dismissal, pass scheme continues to develope in slow mo. We need to take advantage of Bloughs mobility. Try more boot legs, roll outs, pass/run options etc
 
We did not dominate. We always should versus an FCS team but in the Hope/Hazell era we are fortunate to post a "W" , it seems. On defense our DB's not only cant cover, they also are poor tacklers-no hitters. On offense-too many dropped passes and still despite Shoup dismissal, pass scheme continues to develope in slow mo. We need to take advantage of Bloughs mobility. Try more boot legs, roll outs, pass/run options etc

To be fair Hayes came in shut down their big WR.
 
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It's all relative. If we looked like this against Wisconsin and won I'd be elated... Because, you know, ... They're Wisconsin...

But there were several bad habitual things the program still has going on. These things just happen to be things you can get away with against EKU.
Just curious about what you think about the following:
  1. Zero False Start Penalties
  2. Zero Personal Foul Penalties
  3. Zero Delay of Game Penalties
  4. Zero Holding Penalties Applied (one was negated by a EKU Personal Foul)
  5. No bad Special Teams plays, broken coverages, turnovers on ST.
I don't know about you, but to me, those are issues that have plagued Boiler Football for almost a decade now. I for one, was glad to see that we were not shooting ourselves in the foot today.

If anything, I'm more concerned about pass defense with 2 true freshmen plus 2 newcomers starting in the defensive backfield. But you made no mention of THAT glaring weakness. You just claimed that Hazell thinks I'm an idiot or something and how Drew Petersen killed his 4th wife.
 
Just curious about what you think about the following:
  1. Zero False Start Penalties
  2. Zero Personal Foul Penalties
  3. Zero Delay of Game Penalties
  4. Zero Holding Penalties Applied (one was negated by a EKU Personal Foul)
  5. No bad Special Teams plays, broken coverages, turnovers on ST.
I don't know about you, but to me, those are issues that have plagued Boiler Football for almost a decade now. I for one, was glad to see that we were not shooting ourselves in the foot today.

If anything, I'm more concerned about pass defense with 2 true freshmen plus 2 newcomers starting in the defensive backfield. But you made no mention of THAT glaring weakness. You just claimed that Hazell thinks I'm an idiot or something and how Drew Petersen killed his 4th wife.

Look, if you thought my post was, "we're not good at anything ever," sorry, I'm not DaveK.

Where I'm going is more like this...

We are better in some ways. However, it's a shame that I saw these things that are more philosophical than they are about who the players are and what they're trying to do.

Say, for example, that we had the 2003 roster right now. That roster would be worse if we did things like, "try to run out the entire second half".. "give a 10 yard cushion on the outsides" ... "not execute passes to the intermediate middle or deep outsides" and "have plays and play calls that make it appear as though we think we have plays to waste."

These are coaching philosophical things that if anything, demean who you have by saying, "here are all of the ways we need to play as though we aren't good enough to... for example... be up 28-18 and actually go for more. We can't go for me, because we could mess up."
 
I'll try to respond to you line by line, ok?

Look, if you thought my post was, "we're not good at anything ever," sorry, I'm not DaveK.
You literally said nothing positive in your post. Literally nothing. So it was easy for one to think you meant "we're not good at anything ever".

We are better in some ways. However, it's a shame that I saw these things that are more philosophical than they are about who the players are and what they're trying to do.
Your ENTIRE original post was summed up perfectly in this single sentence. You could have just said this, you know. You also have too many quotes. It's hard to follow your train of thought.

Say, for example, that we had the 2003 roster right now. That roster would be worse if we did things like, "try to run out the entire second half".. "give a 10 yard cushion on the outsides" ... "not execute passes to the intermediate middle or deep outsides" and "have plays and play calls that make it appear as though we think we have plays to waste."
I don't see how the 2003 team comes into play in 2016.

These are coaching philosophical things that if anything, demean who you have by saying, "here are all of the ways we need to play as though we aren't good enough to... for example... be up 28-18 and actually go for more. We can't go for me, because we could mess up."
Remember, they did go for it on that 4th and 1 because they were trying to score a TD. I really don't think he told his Superstar Stud RB, "OK Markell, don't get the 1st down, just completely fail at it ON PURPOSE". No, I really don't think he would have said that. I believe the team tried to score as many points as possible, they just didn't execute as best as possible.
 
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The younger guys on defense played well and will get better, nice run by a freshman at end of game, return game looked good, team looked focus like they were ready, receivers for most part looked good, QB will get better, gonna make some mistakes , it was a good team to play first game of season, let's give the team support, see you Saturday at game
 
The younger guys on defense played well and will get better, nice run by a freshman at end of game, return game looked good, team looked focus like they were ready, receivers for most part looked good, QB will get better, gonna make some mistakes , it was a good team to play first game of season, let's give the team support, see you Saturday at game
Probably the most encouraging is how many big plays were made by underclassmen. This team is still quite young and should get better assuming we've upgraded the coaching staff (and so far I'm hopeful\ we have).
 
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