So much for Painter never being able to get a 5 star

[Kesselschmiede]

So first it was we weren't going to beat anyone nor make the tourney last season, then after that it was Painter could never get a 5* recruit let alone go head-to-head with the likes of UK or MSU.

So what is left for the haters to hate on? Time to eat some crow haters.

Although, it seems that the more you post that stuff the more it seems to happen. So on second thought .. keep posting about Painter never making it to a Final Four! The whole reverse psychology thing seems to work!

Side note: Does anyone know how to get a note to BBG?

 

[SIBoiler2]

Now I think we need a thread to fondly say farewell to all the whiners and doubters that will crawl back under their respective rocks for awhile.

 

[todd brewster]

Does this mean they really aren't going to fire Matt? Does this mean we may be the 4th best team in the Big 10?

As I posted earlier, I hope Matt takes his time bring CS along correctly. I hope they are both on the same page to stay at least 3 years. I do hope AJ continues his solid improvement and is able to play 10 minutes a game at PF. I think going against Haas and then CS will propel his improvement.

We now have 6 good big men and all but Haas will learn to play two positions. Iron sharpens iron and I hope that all show tremendous improvement in that Matt will have to work hard to get them all playing time - keeping everyone fresh and throwing different looks at the teams. Funny, but now we can go big or we can go huge.

In addition we have 2 great shooters and a defensive star and now we have depth at PG.

Well done Matt!

 

[SNU0821]

So first it was we weren't going to beat anyone nor make the tourney last season, then after that it was Painter could never get a 5* recruit let alone go head-to-head with the likes of UK or MSU.

So what is left for the haters to hate on? Time to eat some crow haters.

Although, it seems that the more you post that stuff the more it seems to happen. So on second thought .. keep posting about Painter never making it to a Final Four! The whole reverse psychology thing seems to work!

Side note: Does anyone know how to get a note to BBG?

So this is his first in all of his years as a head coach? Wouldn't hold a parade just yet. That's not a really good rate at landing a 5* and you even had help with his legal guardian being an old Boilermaker...

 

[DG10]

He has accomplished more with less relative to the clown overseeing your operation, so consider me more than skeptical to heed your advice. The better question in this instance...in that the traditional national powers and "blueblood" programs that you and others love to proclaim myopically that IU is were involved heavily in his recruitment, where was IU and how is it that they did not even get even an acknowledgment of even feigning interest? Better yet, at least Purdue and Painter did not need to dismiss anybody from the program in order to not just recruit the kid, but to have space for him on the roster.

 

[Bucket Boy]

So this is his first in all of his years as a head coach? Wouldn't hold a parade just yet. That's not a really good rate at landing a 5* and you even had help with his legal guardian being an old Boilermaker...

Yet, we kick IU's butt, year after year.

 

[tjreese]

Yet, we kick IU's butt, year after year.

Well there were a couple of years when IU had Zeller that they beat Purdue, but Crean has never beat Purdue without a Zeller on the team

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

I think what is most important here is that from everything I've read, it's not just that he finally got a 5-star, I think he got the right 5 star. We've said all along that he is a very up front recruiter and it may have cost us talent in the past but that it was probably talent with priorities that wouldn't have worked out well here anyway. I think Caleb is not only a supreme talent but I think he's a Purdue kind of guy already, and from watching his highlights and hearing reading his quotes he loves being team oriented and hitting the open player as much as he does scoring.

 

[jimmygoiu]

I think what is most important here is that from everything I've read, it's not just that he finally got a 5-star, I think he got the right 5 star. We've said all along that he is a very up front recruiter and it may have cost us talent in the past but that it was probably talent with priorities that wouldn't have worked out well here anyway. I think Caleb is not only a supreme talent but I think he's a Purdue kind of guy already, and from watching his highlights and hearing reading his quotes he loves being team oriented and hitting the open player as much as he does scoring.

what is a "Purdue kind of guy"? He was a M$U kind of guy just a week ago. What makes him a "Purdue kind of guy"?

 

[SIBoiler2]

So this is his first in all of his years as a head coach? Wouldn't hold a parade just yet. That's not a really good rate at landing a 5* and you even had help with his legal guardian being an old Boilermaker...

Yep iu lands lots of 5 stars but ....................... you've still got Crean!!!

 

[Dr_billy_badass]

what is a "Purdue kind of guy"? He was a M$U kind of guy just a week ago. What makes him a "Purdue kind of guy"?

Even if I explained it to you, you still wouldn't know what any of the words meant.

 

[West James]

I think what is most important here is that from everything I've read, it's not just that he finally got a 5-star, I think he got the right 5 star. We've said all along that he is a very up front recruiter and it may have cost us talent in the past but that it was probably talent with priorities that wouldn't have worked out well here anyway. I think Caleb is not only a supreme talent but I think he's a Purdue kind of guy already, and from watching his highlights and hearing reading his quotes he loves being team oriented and hitting the open player as much as he does scoring.

The 21st century Three Amigos: Hammons/Haas/Swanigan!!! The 21st century "Bruise Brothers"



"In Painter We Trust"

Go Boilers!!!

 

[SIBoiler2]

Even if I explained it to you, you still wouldn't know what any of the words meant.

Kind of difficult to explain to an IU fan when their ears and glasses are coated with grease from the fryer!!!

 

[jimmygoiu]

Kind of difficult to explain to an IU fan when their ears and glasses are coated with grease from the fryer!!!

funny. I will do my best to understand the "Purdue kind of guy", if you will explain and not avoid the explanation of what that means. Heck, he was at M$U a week ago, and many Broilees were ripping him, and saying he was "bought". Help me on this.

 

[GS Thomas]

Purdue was already going to play "grown man-ball" again, like they did last year in Ass Hall, and destroy IU's micro-assemblage of players. They are going to do so even more now. The big got BIGger.

GS

 

[Boiler Buck]

Congrats to Painter. Like I have said for years now....you got to land a top 40 guy or two to some good experienced top 150 players to be competitive @ a FF level team. Now he has done that at the right time with 2 experienced seniors & 4 frontline guys potentially whom one could say are NBA or fringe NBA type talents. Add to that Stephens who will develop, & certainly has the Reggie Miller look, will this be the year he puts it together? Questions @ pg still, but....plenty of depth ....Things look bright BOILERS.

 

[arcb102000]

funny. I will do my best to understand the "Purdue kind of guy", if you will explain and not avoid the explanation of what that means. Heck, he was at M$U a week ago, and many Broilees were ripping him, and saying he was "bought". Help me on this.

Ok jimmy, I will try to explain it to you.

The reference means that you play hard AT BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT. Unlike the "matador D" that is usually seen played by the team for whom you root.

Honestly, on your home board there are many and have been many,many posts about the lack of defense historically exhibited by TC's teams both at IU and Marquette. Are you going to tell us that you have not seen them? If so, you simply are not reading as this has been a fairly common theme.

MSU has historically been viewed as a "lunch bucket" team. Remember all of the Flint, MI references going back to the Magic days? What do you think they were about? (Here's a hint: playing hard at both ends all the time.)

Now, you could claim that 2013-14 was not that kind of team in WL. And I would agree with you. And that was commented upon by many here. It appears that there were some real Chemistry issues there with the resulting lack of focus and commitment.

There are many days and many games before IU plays Purdue next year and a lot can happen in the meanwhile: injuries (hopefully none), bad behavior, etc. so it is wise not to count one's chickens prior to hatching. However, I am amazed by IU's pre-season ranking and surprised by Purudue's lack of one- though CBS has indicated that is likely to change.

Having said all of that, I like Purdue's chances in Bloomington next season - with the recognition that a lot can happen in the time before the game. Actually, I liked Purdue's chances before Swanningan and like them even more after the commitment.

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

So first it was we weren't going to beat anyone nor make the tourney last season, then after that it was Painter could never get a 5* recruit let alone go head-to-head with the likes of UK or MSU.

So what is left for the haters to hate on? Time to eat some crow haters.

Although, it seems that the more you post that stuff the more it seems to happen. So on second thought .. keep posting about Painter never making it to a Final Four! The whole reverse psychology thing seems to work!

Side note: Does anyone know how to get a note to BBG?

Kessleschmuck, as long as you are around there will be hate.

Pitiful and sad is the Kessle-whatever.

Support the muzzling of freedom of expression much?

What? Do you need some kind of affirmation from the rest of us?

 

[mathboy]

Kessleschmuck, as long as you are around there will be hate.

Pitiful and sad is the Kessle-whatever.

Support the muzzling of freedom of expression much?

What? Do you need some kind of affirmation from the rest of us?

Unneeded and unnecessary. You should have let this dog have his day.

You are a fine one to talk, when most of your posts smack of mocking and troll baiting. You need to stop name calling... or maybe better yet, go back to Peegs. Your alias is little more than annoying.

 

[lbodel]

So this is his first in all of his years as a head coach? Wouldn't hold a parade just yet. That's not a really good rate at landing a 5* and you even had help with his legal guardian being an old Boilermaker...

Not even half of the Big Ten's coaches have ever landed a 5 star recruit. The Big Ten has about 2-3 a year, and IU leads the Big Ten over the last several years in bringing them in.

Also, half of recruiting is connections! You think if Sam Dekker was from North Carolina he would have gone to Wisconsin? The guy grew up a Badger fan.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Kessleschmuck, as long as you are around there will be hate.

Pitiful and sad is the Kessle-whatever.

Support the muzzling of freedom of expression much?

What? Do you need some kind of affirmation from the rest of us?

You poor little girl. You ran your mouth and now are getting called on it but yet lack the courage to step up and eat the crow you deserve.

Don't worry, I didn't expect anything less from you and the rest of the douchenozzles that think you know everything but cry and whine like little girls when called on it. You're nothing but a chump and you deserve being called out and all the crap that is due your way for giving up on the team and the coach because you hate CMP for some reason.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

Unneeded and unnecessary. You should have let this dog have his day.

You are a fine one to talk, when most of your posts smack of mocking and troll baiting. You need to stop name calling... or maybe better yet, go back to Peegs. Your alias is little more than annoying.

Exactly. I am at the point that I am just tired of these wannabe coaches filling up this forum with their garbage but then when it comes to not be true, they run and hide.

Do I go over the top sometimes? Yep, I freely admit that. But there comes a point where trying to be rational with these losers is a waste of time and as his response proves, they respond more to hostility and forum wars than any civil discussion on a topic. And I am just done trying to be nice to these twitts. They don't deserve the effort.

 

[88btfu92]

You poor little girl. You ran your mouth and now are getting called on it but yet lack the courage to step up and eat the crow you deserve.

Don't worry, I didn't expect anything less from you and the rest of the douchenozzles that think you know everything but cry and whine like little girls when called on it. You're nothing but a chump and you deserve being called out and all the crap that is due your way for giving up on the team and the coach because you hate CMP for some reason.

That's Mr. Douchenozzle to you. Show some respect.

 

[ArmyWildcat81]

1 Micky D in the last two decades and this cocky? Congrats on the commit.

 

[icewind7]

I thought you need to be dirty to get 1 5 stars in 10 years? I guess not. So, from now on, please don't give excuses.

 

[SNU0821]

Exactly. I am at the point that I am just tired of these wannabe coaches filling up this forum with their garbage but then when it comes to not be true, they run and hide.

Do I go over the top sometimes? Yep, I freely admit that. But there comes a point where trying to be rational with these losers is a waste of time and as his response proves, they respond more to hostility and forum wars than any civil discussion on a topic. And I am just done trying to be nice to these twitts. They don't deserve the effort.

I've never seen you actually try this. Your posts never do anything but bash people who don't think the way you do. Instead of resorting to name calling, why not offer up your opinion as to why their opinion or thoughts may not be right. Could be fun.

 

[SNU0821]

There are many days and many games before IU plays Purdue next year and a lot can happen in the meanwhile: injuries (hopefully none), bad behavior, etc. so it is wise not to count one's chickens prior to hatching. However, I am amazed by IU's pre-season ranking and surprised by Purudue's lack of one- though CBS has indicated that is likely to change.

Having said all of that, I like Purdue's chances in Bloomington next season - with the recognition that a lot can happen in the time before the game. Actually, I liked Purdue's chances before Swanningan and like them even more after the commitment.

Why are you surprised at IU's rankings next year? So unbiased people who follow college basketball for a living have IU ranked. What's the big deal? We have a returning 1st Team All B10 point guard. We return four guys who shoot 40%+ from 3 point land. We had one of the best offenses in the country last year and we didn't lose any major pieces. We bring in a McDonald's All American at center. There are plenty of reasons to believe IU should be ranked where they are. Now, their defense was historically bad. However, when you look back over the last five years, it's pretty clear to see that last year was an outlier, even for Crean. Two years ago he had a defense that was ranked around 50th and the two years prior to that he had solid defensive teams (Kenpom adj defense). Again, last year can easily be seen as an outlier which gives room for optimism considering all we have coming back and who we brought in. Really not hard to see IU ranked so high especially coming from several unbiased sources.

Now for Purdue, I really think it's the guard play (or lack there of). Your frontcourt is ridiculous but your backcourt is lacking a bit and needs to prove they deserve to be ranked. I think it's more of a wait and see type of scenario for Purdue meaning you guys will be ranked soon enough. I fully expect you guys to be ranked most of the year. That is what will make the game fun in Bloomington. I can't remember the last time both teams were ranked and actually had a lot riding on a game. It's gonna be awesome.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

I've never seen you actually try this. Your posts never do anything but bash people who don't think the way you do. Instead of resorting to name calling, why not offer up your opinion as to why their opinion or thoughts may not be right. Could be fun.

You've never seen it because you are not looking, nor are you worth the effort since pretty much every discussion you have on here resorts to something about iu and how they are superior in every way. There are several threads on here where I've had discussions with people that didn't have anything you listed above in it.

I only bash those that deserve it and you are on top of that list because there is no doubt you do. How about you do what the majority of us want and just go back to the pighole where you belong? It's bad enough you constantly try and police our board and it's time you just take your GED education back to where it should be.

 

[JRKinn]

Why are you surprised at IU's rankings next year? So unbiased people who follow college basketball for a living have IU ranked. What's the big deal? We have a returning 1st Team All B10 point guard. We return four guys who shoot 40%+ from 3 point land. We had one of the best offenses in the country last year and we didn't lose any major pieces. We bring in a McDonald's All American at center. There are plenty of reasons to believe IU should be ranked where they are. Now, their defense was historically bad. However, when you look back over the last five years, it's pretty clear to see that last year was an outlier, even for Crean. Two years ago he had a defense that was ranked around 50th and the two years prior to that he had solid defensive teams (Kenpom adj defense). Again, last year can easily be seen as an outlier which gives room for optimism considering all we have coming back and who we brought in. Really not hard to see IU ranked so high especially coming from several unbiased sources.

Now for Purdue, I really think it's the guard play (or lack there of). Your frontcourt is ridiculous but your backcourt is lacking a bit and needs to prove they deserve to be ranked. I think it's more of a wait and see type of scenario for Purdue meaning you guys will be ranked soon enough. I fully expect you guys to be ranked most of the year. That is what will make the game fun in Bloomington. I can't remember the last time both teams were ranked and actually had a lot riding on a game. It's gonna be awesome.

Well written response. I agree with you on your analysis about IU, the one that puzzles me is Purdue's lack of ranking. All the reasons you gave for IU's rankings could be said about Purdue but with center and forward dominant stats (boards, efficiency, etc.). IU has a ? at the 5 as Bryant is a frosh, and you have no backup. Purdue has a ? at the 1 as we have a frosh, and a 5th year transfer that hasn't played at the same level as B1G.

Too me it would seem the two teams should be ranked almost exactly the same. Maryland as one of the top rankings in the nation, and MSU, IU, and Purdue all ranking in the 12-20 area.

 

[DG10]

Why are you surprised at IU's rankings next year? So unbiased people who follow college basketball for a living have IU ranked. What's the big deal? We have a returning 1st Team All B10 point guard. We return four guys who shoot 40%+ from 3 point land. We had one of the best offenses in the country last year and we didn't lose any major pieces. We bring in a McDonald's All American at center. There are plenty of reasons to believe IU should be ranked where they are. Now, their defense was historically bad. However, when you look back over the last five years, it's pretty clear to see that last year was an outlier, even for Crean. Two years ago he had a defense that was ranked around 50th and the two years prior to that he had solid defensive teams (Kenpom adj defense). Again, last year can easily be seen as an outlier which gives room for optimism considering all we have coming back and who we brought in. Really not hard to see IU ranked so high especially coming from several unbiased sources.

Now for Purdue, I really think it's the guard play (or lack there of). Your frontcourt is ridiculous but your backcourt is lacking a bit and needs to prove they deserve to be ranked. I think it's more of a wait and see type of scenario for Purdue meaning you guys will be ranked soon enough. I fully expect you guys to be ranked most of the year. That is what will make the game fun in Bloomington. I can't remember the last time both teams were ranked and actually had a lot riding on a game. It's gonna be awesome.

So an IU team that underachieved (again), that was selfish, that is incapable of defending a chair, that lacked depth, had (and has) chemistry issues and has a coach that has failed to not only develop talent but failed as well to meet expectations when he has it are some of the "plenty of reasons" for IU to be ranked where they are? IU basketball is the equivalent of ND football...desperate for attention, constantly out of touch with reality, and living in the past while ignoring the present.

On the other hand, a Purdue team that lost one contributor from a team that overachieved, improved over the course of the year, added a seemingly solid/capable replacement at the PG position that it needed to in addition to a premier shooter and a consensus All-American, is more of a "wait and see" sort of team...that only makes sense using IU-logic (an oxmymoron if there ever was one).

Feel free to wait and see what happens, but I am more than content to call my shot now in that Purdue will have and be the better team, and, yet again, IU will fail to deliver on the myopic and unrealistic expectations.

 

[SNU0821]

Well written response. I agree with you on your analysis about IU, the one that puzzles me is Purdue's lack of ranking. All the reasons you gave for IU's rankings could be said about Purdue but with center and forward dominant stats (boards, efficiency, etc.). IU has a ? at the 5 as Bryant is a frosh, and you have no backup. Purdue has a ? at the 1 as we have a frosh, and a 5th year transfer that hasn't played at the same level as B1G.

Too me it would seem the two teams should be ranked almost exactly the same. Maryland as one of the top rankings in the nation, and MSU, IU, and Purdue all ranking in the 12-20 area.

If this actually happened, I wouldn't question it at all. But I do think your ?'s extend to the 1 and 2. I would also throw in UM into that cluster with MSU, IU and PU. I hate to say it but I think they're going to be good.

 

[TJBoiler]

So first it was we weren't going to beat anyone nor make the tourney last season, then after that it was Painter could never get a 5* recruit let alone go head-to-head with the likes of UK or MSU.

So what is left for the haters to hate on? Time to eat some crow haters.

Although, it seems that the more you post that stuff the more it seems to happen. So on second thought .. keep posting about Painter never making it to a Final Four! The whole reverse psychology thing seems to work!

Side note: Does anyone know how to get a note to BBG?

I admit I was wrong and congrats to Painter. This was an opportunity that came along very rarely for Purdue. EVERYTHING was set up perfectly as far as getting Swanigan to commit. Painter had been on him early, was from the area. The 2 centers on Purdue which I think was the final factor as Swanigan wants to play 4. Interesting to wonder if Hammons had gone pro if Swanigan would choose Purdue.

This is actually good for the entire state of Indiana Basketball. It's time these highly recruited players stop getting picked off by the likes of MSU. Louisville and Kentucky etc... I work with a guy knows Trevon Bluitt's family. I think Bluitt should have went to Purdue. Imagine him on this team now.

Painter has a really nice roster now and it will be interesting to see how he uses the pieces. Mixing and matching. He has depth, players off the bench who have played valuable minutes and have contributed. Rather then some scrubs like Duke has at end of it's bench every year. If Painter can fix the lousy 3 pt shooting from last year and get at the very least solid PG play, Sky is limit how good this team could be this coming season and beyond.

 

[SNU0821]

I admit I was wrong and congrats to Painter. This was an opportunity that came along very rarely for Purdue. EVERYTHING was set up perfectly as far as getting Swanigan to commit. Painter had been on him early, was from the area. The 2 centers on Purdue which I think was the final factor as Swanigan wants to play 4. Interesting to wonder if Hammons had gone pro if Swanigan would choose Purdue.

This is actually good for the entire state of Indiana Basketball. It's time these highly recruited players stop getting picked off by the likes of MSU. Louisville and Kentucky etc... I work with a guy knows Trevon Bluitt's family. I think Bluitt should have went to Purdue. Imagine him on this team now.

Painter has a really nice roster now and it will be interesting to see how he uses the pieces. Mixing and matching. He has depth, players off the bench who have played valuable minutes and have contributed. Rather then some scrubs like Duke has at end of it's bench every year. If Painter can fix the lousy 3 pt shooting from last year and get at the very least solid PG play, Sky is limit how good this team could be this coming season and beyond.

Completely agree with this even if he did go to Purdue. I would much rather have us fight over in state talent and both of us be really good then see kids leave for out of state programs.

 

[Kesselschmiede]

I admit I was wrong and congrats to Painter. This was an opportunity that came along very rarely for Purdue. EVERYTHING was set up perfectly as far as getting Swanigan to commit. Painter had been on him early, was from the area. The 2 centers on Purdue which I think was the final factor as Swanigan wants to play 4. Interesting to wonder if Hammons had gone pro if Swanigan would choose Purdue.

This is actually good for the entire state of Indiana Basketball. It's time these highly recruited players stop getting picked off by the likes of MSU. Louisville and Kentucky etc... I work with a guy knows Trevon Bluitt's family. I think Bluitt should have went to Purdue. Imagine him on this team now.

Painter has a really nice roster now and it will be interesting to see how he uses the pieces. Mixing and matching. He has depth, players off the bench who have played valuable minutes and have contributed. Rather then some scrubs like Duke has at end of it's bench every year. If Painter can fix the lousy 3 pt shooting from last year and get at the very least solid PG play, Sky is limit how good this team could be this coming season and beyond.

Bravo for the post. I salute you.

 

[boiler17]

who cares about IU?

Very pleased Matt has given cause for this thread.

Seems reasonable to me to still question him as a coach. His tourney appearances are always so flat.

That said, I am enjoying the cool aid. I think we could be scary good.

 

[Bigohh]

So first it was we weren't going to beat anyone nor make the tourney last season, then after that it was Painter could never get a 5* recruit let alone go head-to-head with the likes of UK or MSU.

So what is left for the haters to hate on? Time to eat some crow haters.

Although, it seems that the more you post that stuff the more it seems to happen. So on second thought .. keep posting about Painter never making it to a Final Four! The whole reverse psychology thing seems to work!

Side note: Does anyone know how to get a note to BBG?

I am the happiest guy in NW IN. Glad MP FINALLY got a top tier recruit after a LONG hiatus. He is finally looking to earn the big bucks we are paying him and his assts. Now he needs to coach what he has to a successful run in March.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I am the happiest guy in NW IN. Glad MP FINALLY got a top tier recruit after a LONG hiatus. He is finally looking to earn the big bucks we are paying him and his assts. Now he needs to coach what he has to a successful run in March.

Let's argue on who's happier. I live in a bigger state with less people so I'm happier On this board this argument could go back and forth for days.

 

[dwhitebash11]

Let's argue on who's happier. I live in a bigger state with less people so I'm happier On this board this argument could go back and forth for days.

I live in NY, a small city, not NYC, therefore, I live in a bigger state with more people. So, go ahead and give me the trophy of who's happiest, thank you for participating all.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

I live in NY, a small city, not NYC, therefore, I live in a bigger state with more people. So, go ahead and give me the trophy of who's happiest, thank you for participating all.

I'm so happy that It makes me easy...it's a three way tie.