So if every adult is vaccinated by May, why do we need a $1.9T COVID relief package
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As I understand it, less than 10% of the $1.9 Trillion is being used for Covid Relief. The other 90% is pork or money to help Dem controlled states supplement underfunded pension plans and overspent state budgets. Why exercise any fiscal responsibility, when you can have the Federal Government cover up your incompetence. This is a Primary Example of the Dems Credo, "Never let a Crisis go to Waste". The Dems are getting fat on the Pandemic.
$400 a week in unemployment aid, instead of just recommending states to let people go back to work which costs us nothing...
I am not clear on what you mean? I thought the "relief package" was to help people who are having trouble paying their rent, buying food, going to the doctor, etc because of losses in income from losing their jobs, less work, et al.
Check the current bill bill. Less than 30% is going to indivduals, between unemployment and outright $$$. Lot's of pork helping overspent states like Illinois. There is still lot's of time to change parts of the bill before the final passage. Here is what the original bill last summer did ( just few millio here and a few there).
Curious about where the covid relief went to? Look it up on the Congressional website for HR 748 from 116th Congress. Here’s the direct link:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/ 116th-congress/house-bill/748
American population: 330,483,530
Stimulus bill: $2,000,000,000,000 ($2 Trillion)
Dividing the cost by every American is $6,051.74 The government could have given every person over $6,000, but instead will give $1,200 to each adult under a certain income. Want to know where the missing 96% of your tax dollars went? Here you go:
1. $300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg.. 147.
2. $10,000 per person for student loan bailout.
3. $100,000,000 to NASA, because - who knows
4. $20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why the hell not.
5. $300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts - because ??
6. $300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing.
7. $15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn't enough.
8. $435,000,000 for mental health support.
9. $30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed (all those zeros can be confusing, that’s $30 BILLION).
10. $200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program.
11. $300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the Democrats.
12. $500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who the hell knows how we are going to use it.
13. $720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs.
14. $25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I kid you not it's on page 136.
15. $7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries.
16. $35,000,000 to the JFK Center for Performing Arts.
17. $25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives.
18. $3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA.
19. $315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs.
20. $95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development.
21. $300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance.
22. $90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg. 148.
23. $13,000,000 to Howard University pg. 121.
24. $9,000,000 Misc. Senate Expenses pg. 134.
25. $100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg. 162. This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat ($100,000,000 is chump change.)
26. $40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act This sounds like it's direct payments for workers pg. 164.
27. $1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg. 163
28. $25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg. 165
29. $492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg. 167
30. $526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg. 168 (what are the odds that doesn't go unused) Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress.
31. $25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg. 169
32. $3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg. 172
33. $5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg. 172
34. $2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg. 175
35. $5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg. 175
36. $2,500,000 Office of Housing
What DID ALL of this have to do with the Virus? Where's it going to come from?
Curious about where the covid relief went to? Look it up on the Congressional website for HR 748 from 116th Congress. Here’s the direct link:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/ 116th-congress/house-bill/748
American population: 330,483,530
Stimulus bill: $2,000,000,000,000 ($2 Trillion)
Dividing the cost by every American is $6,051.74 The government could have given every person over $6,000, but instead will give $1,200 to each adult under a certain income. Want to know where the missing 96% of your tax dollars went? Here you go:
1. $300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg.. 147.
2. $10,000 per person for student loan bailout.
3. $100,000,000 to NASA, because - who knows
4. $20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why the hell not.
5. $300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts - because ??
6. $300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing.
7. $15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn't enough.
8. $435,000,000 for mental health support.
9. $30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed (all those zeros can be confusing, that’s $30 BILLION).
10. $200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program.
11. $300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the Democrats.
12. $500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who the hell knows how we are going to use it.
13. $720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs.
14. $25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I kid you not it's on page 136.
15. $7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries.
16. $35,000,000 to the JFK Center for Performing Arts.
17. $25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives.
18. $3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA.
19. $315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs.
20. $95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development.
21. $300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance.
22. $90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg. 148.
23. $13,000,000 to Howard University pg. 121.
24. $9,000,000 Misc. Senate Expenses pg. 134.
25. $100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg. 162. This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat ($100,000,000 is chump change.)
26. $40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act This sounds like it's direct payments for workers pg. 164.
27. $1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg. 163
28. $25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg. 165
29. $492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg. 167
30. $526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg. 168 (what are the odds that doesn't go unused) Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress.
31. $25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg. 169
32. $3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg. 172
33. $5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg. 172
34. $2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg. 175
35. $5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg. 175
36. $2,500,000 Office of Housing
What DID ALL of this have to do with the Virus? Where's it going to come from?
According to the Cato Institute, $1.1T from previous stimulus packages remains unspent. It seems to me $1.1T should be enough to bridge the 2 months until all adults are vaccinated.
How long do you think $1.1T should last?
You know, my wife would still be out of work because the business she was in hasn’t opened back up yet. Not everyone is just sitting on their asses by choice.
Her job at her old place will never return since they furloughed her for nine months before finally telling her in January they planned to eliminate the program altogether. So, she could've sat around collecting unemployment and waiting for her job to come back, only to find out it never would... or she could've taken another job which would've required her to notify her other employer and she would've lost her position (if it ever returned). What would you have done? Turn down unemployment? Go get a different job you don't like out of principle?
If you care what happened, we started our own business in July because we're fortunate enough to have enough wealth to bootstrap our own business, capitalizing on the situation. So yeah, we went and "got another job". Now, do you care to guess how many people are in a position to do that?
There are a lot of people still out of work in travel, hospitality, fitness, child care, etc., and while many have and are going to find other work in the near term, there's only so many jobs out there. Some people are still in need of unemployment benefits.
Finally, I found that at my bus company, any time I called a driver with work where they would actually make more money staying home and collecting the benefits than they would if they claimed income, 100% of them took the work. And that's here in California where brown-skinned lazy people vote for Communist policies. I imagine that in Texas, everyone would just work for free and turn down unemployment because Republicans are soooooooo hard working, right?
Point being, a whole bunch of middle-class white males sitting around telling everyone else they don't need anymore COVID relief is yet another screaming example of privilege that seems to be to complex for you to grasp.
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Hope you all refinanced. Get ready for a huge inflationary period. Bond market reacted negatively to this package announcement. Thank god we go into debt for the post office...Also I gotta get in on that VA contract. 3 billion for IT?????? yeehaw
Wow! Didn’t mean to hit a nerve. Just wondering how the job market in California was like. Excuse me for asking!
Sorry, I'll fade back into the shrubbery...
I was laid off and my wife furloughed on the same Friday last May. An hour looking at our financials and I knew we'd be fine if she got her job back. I'd been pretty clairvoyant on the pandemic to that point, so I thought she'd be back running her gymnastics center within a month or two, and with that income, plus my pension and side income from coaching, I didn't need to find a job.
A DOD contracting job fell into my lap in June, and that's been awesome. Thankfully it did, because the Y decided to shut down the facility she worked at and disband her program in January.
Not a whole bunch of sports and recreation program director jobs out there these days, but she has an MBA so she probably could've found something.
Instead, we're filling the void left by the Y with our own private gymnastics center, and partially opened in January. It will be way more lucrative than her old job, but as I said - we're very fortunate.
The job market out here otherwise is not great. A lot of people still out of work in SD county because we rely heavily on tourism, travel, recreation, dining/hospitality, etc., all of which just isn't happening. Amazon warehouses were hiring quite a few people, but those jobs went quickly.
Like me, you may be a blameless victim of White Male Privilege (wmp). We have to be careful about what we say, and should thank those who reprimand us as a reminder -- lest we end up muttering obsessively like Bob, or saying things like "he is the first clean and articulate mainstream AA" like Joe.
If your pension is from serving in the military, thank you for your service.
I don't care if you're a white middle-class male - I am. What I care about is that you (we all) realize that our perspective on things doesn't match a lot of other people's reality, and that more often than not, we'd be a lot better off just keeping our ****ing mouths shut instead of telling everyone "how it is." The only time I get really pissed about this is when I know I'm talking to someone who's never gone more than 200 miles from Attica, IN in their entire lives save for their senior spring break to Myrtle Beach, and then they're running around bemoaning continued unemployment benefits for black people in Mobile, AL or brown people in San Ysidro, CA.
Unfortunately, that represents about 50% of the users on this message board.
My service - my exposure to the "others" around the world - is the principle reason I can't avow Trumpism. Perhaps you don't want to thank me for that?
Don't follow your comment, but regardless -- if you served honorably in the US military, thank you and Boiler UP.
I think the bemoaning may have more to do with concern that the benefits are such that some people in some states find it more profitable to stay home and collect rather than to work. That, and the obvious fact that the 'covid relief' bill is really about more pork for the usual establishment suspects.
Your comment about the bus drivers coming in to work is interesting and hopeful.
Votes. Dem's buying more folks. Just as they've done for ever.
Wouldn't expect you to.
Right, that thought completely underestimates personal pride that MOST people take in their work. Nevermind their paychecks contribute to UI so it’s there when they need it.
For a group of people that bemoan taking actions for minorities like transgenders, a lot of you guys get awfully pissed off about the very small group of people who abuse unemployment. For MOST people, like my wife, being on unemployment or COBRA health care isn’t a desirable thing they’re proud of. Quite the opposite.
Right, because I have no way to know what you mean by exposure to others around the world. Care to provide a few details, and what you believe you learned?
Another good one, along with your fake couch man prank. You're on a couch roll.
Under 10 % of the $1.9 Trillion covers those things and I have no problem with that. It's the other 90% of our tax dollars being wasted and adding to our deficit for pork & covering up fiscal incompetence in Dem run states that bothers me.
Says the white privileged guy, making snarky comments about brown-skinned people being lazy & voting for Communists. Is that projection on your part?
You live in a state that's almost solely run by Dems and is being mismanaged badly and you still can't connect the dots. Industry & wealth are fleeing California, due to the political incompetence, yet you feel compelled to rationalize it away and take cheap shots at Republicans.
I think you deluded Dems and the country as a whole would be much better off, if you would WAKE UP, rather than being WOKE.
Show some examples of this, or are you just talking out your ass again.
You must be clairvoyant to know ALL the background on everyone on an anonymous msg board.
Of course, you always think you know a lot more than you do. Show us some examples of these racist Hoosiers you're defaming.
LOL at the thread. Most of us believe we are either more important or smarter than the others on this board (myself included). I read most of this board and the sports board for entertainment!
Not bad.
$1.9T and the Republicans can find about $0.4T that will be distributed direct to the COVID impact.
the other $1.5T....Chuck and Nancy’s wish list
What's your definition of Covid impact?
You're lying. Just keep repeating it. Must be true.
Is relief to the restaurant industry considered Covid impact?
How were the blue state pensions impacted by COVID....keep repeating that all $1.9T is for COVID relief and “will crush the virus”.
what lives are going to be “saved” after May?? Oh $hit, I forgot about all of the virus coming in with the “legal” immigrants.
Pelosi: Rescue plan is to crush virus, save lives
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says although we are marking one year into the pandemic, the $1.9 trillion dollar rescue plan is something to celebrate because it will "crush the virus" and save lives. (March 11)
www.usatoday.com
I never said it all was for Covid, Ive talked about the BS pork many times. Yeah, the pensions are for union workers, not all of which are blue states.How were the blue state pensions impacted by COVID....keep repeating that all $1.9T is for COVID relief and “will crush the virus”.
what lives are going to be “saved” after May?? Oh $hit, I forgot about all of the virus coming in with the “legal” immigrants.
Pelosi: Rescue plan is to crush virus, save lives
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says although we are marking one year into the pandemic, the $1.9 trillion dollar rescue plan is something to celebrate because it will "crush the virus" and save lives. (March 11)www.usatoday.com
If you have an argument with Pelosi take it up with her. Don't attribute that bullshit to me.
Despite the pork, I support this legislation. You people rant all the time about wanting to open the economy, wanting to open the schools, get back to normal. But you don't want to spend any money to do it.
We're going to have to spend money on the schools if we want the governors and teachers to support reopening. Gonna have to spend money to help businesses reopen. Gonna have to help with childcare so parents that are behind on their rent and mortgages can go back to work.
I'm sick of all this "just reopen" crap when you don't stop to consider what is involved.
If only they had included a few billion to continue the construction of a wall that is currently falling into the Rio Grande in many places because it was built by a completely unqualified company because its owner went on Fox News and said nice things about Trump and Jared made sure they got a contract as a thank you, I bet a few republicans would have voted for the relief bill.
Back to my original premise. They are almost entirely unqualified clowns. Look how many on both sides were squarely middle class when elected and are now multi-millionaires all while working a job that has never paid more than $175k a year. . . The bulk of them don't give a darn about the people they represent. They either want to get rich off the job or get on Fox News/MSNBC and pretend they are a Kardashian. I don't agree with Nancy often, but when she said that most of them are terrified to take a hard vote because they could not find another job if they lost reelection, I think she was right when you expand its application to both parties.
how are the conditions different where unions have reopened versus those that haven’t. This is just unions holding governors, mayors and parents captive. If not, provide specifics. There was a union set to reopen Monday, then balked.
The $1.9T package does nothing to assist this other than providing future funding. It will take at least three months to spend this money and implement any changes, and by that time, all adults will be vaccinated who want vaccinated, except the union teachers who elect not to get vaccinated because “the vaccine is too dangerous”
it’s impossible to help those who don’t want help. But Nancy’s package is going to crunch the virus. Note: the virus will be crushed when everyone gets vaccinated who are susceptible.
LA schools might reopen...but nope.
Los Angeles Schools Remain Closed and Families Wonder: How Much Longer? (Published 2021)
Even amid signs of a deal with the teachers’ union, the district is still probably a month or more from resuming in-person learning.
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How were the blue state pensions impacted by COVID....keep repeating that all $1.9T is for COVID relief and “will crush the virus”.
what lives are going to be “saved” after May?? Oh $hit, I forgot about all of the virus coming in with the “legal” immigrants.
Pelosi: Rescue plan is to crush virus, save lives
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says although we are marking one year into the pandemic, the $1.9 trillion dollar rescue plan is something to celebrate because it will "crush the virus" and save lives. (March 11)www.usatoday.com
