Sending A Message

[Born Boiler]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

 

[Inspector100]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

My response to you is to knock it off. It is not so "public", as you call it, and frankly is none of your business.

 

[proudopete]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

Oh boy. This won't end well.
I'll start the popcorn.

 

[StateStreet123]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

Let me answer your question with a question. First, I have no idea what Hammons did. So my situation is HYPOTHETICAL.

How should coach Painter handle discipline on Hammons if he failed a drug test, for example marijuana, and athletic policy is a mandatory 3 game suspension? Should he make that information public? Or should he be vague, try to discount it without saying 'no big deal', and help AJ in every aspect possible to ensure his senior year is as good as possible?

Also, I am sure they are numerous other scenarios that may play out similar to my hypothetical. I believe it is often more respectful to keep internal matters internal. And future recruits would see and respect that. Others on the inside know what you and I dont.

 

[BoilerBulldog]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

It's not public. If it was, we would know exactly what was going on. I trust Painter to handle this.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

Oh boy. This won't end well.
I'll start the popcorn.

You can have BBG's from the Football board:

This drama is riveting

 

[SIBoiler2]

A little more reality in your post would be helpful. Painter is not humiliating AJH. He's not talking publicly about it. If AJH is humiliated it is of his making. Secondly he did not turn down NBA money twice. Two years ago he didn't get a pro sniff. Last year he would have been a 2nd round long shot so don't pretend he is only here as a big favor to Painter.

 

[BBG]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

 

[BoilerStutz]

This is a dumb post. Please do not have children of your own.

 

[FinallyABoilerFinal4]

The most successful programs are run at a military level of strictness. The human mind is to weak too be able function effectively with too much freedom. Read up on Alabama football. Remember that Duke kicked Sulaimon off the team last year in the middle of the season.

 

[purdue4sure]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

Send Painter a message of your own. Don't watch the games. After all, if you do watch, you are being penalized because AJ isn't playing -- according to you.

 

[tjreese]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

I have no idea what the issue is and so it really isn't in the public. I also know a coach has to set the same rules for a star player as a sub or he will lose the team. Aj will be fine and will play sometime in the next week I expect

 

[AZboiler]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

Some folks just want to stir the pot when it really isn't necessary yet. As of yet no one outside of the team have a clue what the "work to be done" is yet and speculation of an agenda filled fan isn't going to help either AJ meet his responsibilities.

 

[Born Boiler]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

 

[CRBoiler]

That was Painter’s choice.

Seems like that answers your question. Last I checked, Matt Painter was the coach who makes these decisions. I don't think he's going to need your advice. I don't like not seeing AJ either, but I trust the coach is doing the right thing by AJ for the situation.

 

[dumpsterFyre]

A head coach has to have a strong fortitude. I applaud his team-first stance rather than catering to Hammon's draft position and "paying customers." CMP rightfully did not go into the details of his game time omission and that's good enough for me.

The "business" aspect of it will take care of itself when we win as a team.

As you said previously, this is an internal matter and the consequences cannot be judged by you, me, or anyone not on the coaching staff.

The recruits we need to get desire a mentor/teacher/counselor, not a bro/buddy/cool uncle.

 

[tjreese]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

I truly believe that AJ is not as bothered with this as you. You could be right, but I suspect AJ knew all along in advance the particular expectation and I sincerely think AJ will be fine. If not, as you suggest then Matt will face a backlash of huge proportions for inappropriate "punishment" later, but I think it will be a non issue. Again, Matt will pay a heavy price if inappropriate and I doubt he rolls the dice that way...JMHO

 

[Professor Emeritus]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

I'd be willing to bet the significant amount of money that I setting aside toward the construction of the Morgan J. Burke Quidditch Ground that if you were able to talk to Hammons privately about this matter he would say something along the lines of "I f-ed up and Coach P is doing the right thing."

 

[BBG]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

 

[Chuchumutha]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

Yeah, I'm still pissed at the Patriots for cheating me out of my viewing pleasure of watching Aaron Hernandez play.

 

[vilehoopster]

Some of what Born Boiler said is true. It is now public, it is a serious thing (regardless of the people trying to brush it off as a nonissue; it's a issue) and it will stay with AJ all season; the first time he has a bad game people will bring this up and use it to justify a "same old unmotivated AJ" comments.

Also, he is correct that this will cost AJ, unless the is awesome this year, in NBA draft position and money, and, yes, some sleazy coach will use this when recruiting against Painter... with that said.

I believe 100% Hammons brought this on himself, and Painter is doing everything he can to be fair and do what's best for this year's team and the future of the program. My one problem with Born Boiler's post is that it has a tone to it that Painter is being mean and spiteful and personally going after Hammons. That is absolutely ridiculous. No one in the world wants AJ playing and working hard as much as Painter does. In fact, as a former coach, I know that this is possible: that Painter wants Hammons to be successful more than Hammons wants himself to be successful, in the NBA and beyond in life. That sounds crazy, but if you've ever coached you know it's possible and happens, more than you think.

One of my problems with Tiller is that I always felt he was really tough on the lesser important players and he would give star players break after break and not really punish the star. You're a redshirt 3rd-stringer with Tiller and out drinking and breaking curfew, you're suspended for several games or off the team. If you're a starter for Tiller and do the same offense, we'll handle it internally, and you're on the field starting next Saturday. That always bothered me with Tiller, but with Painter, the rules are the rules, and the fact that Hammons has been sitting out makes that clear to everyone on the team. If some sleaze coach uses that to recruit against us, good, I don't want someone who thinks he's above the rules wasting our time and coming here to start with.

 

[tjreese]

I'd be willing to bet the significant amount of money that I setting aside toward the construction of the Morgan J. Burke Quidditch Ground that if you were able to talk to Hammons privately about this matter he would say something along the lines of "I f-ed up and Coach P is doing the right thing."

I agree..over and over again players say Matt is honest, up front and fair.

 

[ibew481]

You know I did pay to go to the game. I was there to support the TEAM not an individual player, Hammons not playing, yeah it sucked, but wow didn't I see what this TEAM can do without Hammons? YES.... Whatever the reason, I trust the coach. Hammons will be fine as long as he gets his crap together. I don't feel screwed about paying for a game and he's not playing, I'm a boiler FAN 100% no matter whos playing. Born Boiler support your team or move on there is no I in TEAM. BTFU

 

[punaj]

Born Boiler support your team or move on there is no I in TEAM. BTFU

Actually there is an i in team...

 

[BoilerGal74]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

Couldn't

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

I could not help but notice that you quickly point out that you and others are "entitled" to see what and who you want because you are "paying customers". Telling my age when I say I am from an era where ones money for tickets reflected supporting Purdue and its programs as alumni or fans, and left deciding who had earned the right to play to the Coaches. As for your comments these suspensions will most likely cost Hammons draft positions and money, that seems to be an issue caused by A.J. and his decisions/choices rather than Painter's. Not trying to dump on A.J. for whatever his issues might be.....Just not ready to blame Painter for Hammon's issues...It's called personal responsibility for a reason....

 

[mathboy]

Couldn't


I could not help but notice that you quickly point out that you and others are "entitled" to see what and who you want because you are "paying customers". Telling my age when I say I am from an era where ones money for tickets reflected supporting Purdue and its programs as alumni or fans, and left deciding who had earned the right to play to the Coaches. As for your comments these suspensions will most likely cost Hammons draft positions and money, that seems to be an issue caused by A.J. and his decisions/choices rather than Painter's. Not trying to dump on A.J. for whatever his issues might be.....Just not ready to blame Painter for Hammon's issues...It's called personal responsibility for a reason....

Agreed. This is along the lines of blaming the court system and the police for putting a criminal in jail. Victimizing the person who broke the rules, made the poor choice, and then blaming those who enforce the consequences for the outcome. Sadly it is the twisted way many think these days. Born Boiler has provided us with a great example of such backward thinking.

 

[Frankie611]

We’ve seen virtual applause on this forum for Painter’s benching of Hammons through both preseason games. People have shaken their fingers at A.J. despite having no idea of why he’s been forced to sit -- yet again -- aside from Painter’s purposely vague pronouncements that Hammons has not taken care of Painter’s own definition of “business.”

There’s been no report of an arrest or an incident or academic eligibility issues. Not even a wild rumor of some kind of happening.

So, then, just what message is being sent? For the world outside of the coach’s office -- including potential recruits -- one big message now out there is that Painter is willing to repeatedly humiliate a senior player who twice passed on NBA money to stay in his program, a senior player who has led his team in scoring, rebounding and defense and a senior player who represents his program’s best pro prospect in a decade. It reinforces the indication that Painter struggles to relate to his players, particularly in view of 20 transfers in 10 years. It also shows a total lack of consideration for helping a prominent player maximize his potential -- pro and otherwise -- instead only raising more questions and creating and reinforcing perceptions nationwide that he is lacking … somehow, someway … just can’t say.

If it’s truly an internal issue, why must the penalty be paid in public? Is public humiliation fitting for whatever happens behind closed doors?

And why are the fans being penalized? Most fans would prefer to see their team always putting its best foot forward, putting its best players on the floor. Should fans be asked to pay regular prices to watch backups? Or is that Painter’s way of taking care of “business?”

Maybe he should consider “giving back.”

This is an excellent post. I am very worried about how this affects recruiting. Well said.

 

[the spec]

I have no idea what the issue is and so it really isn't in the public. I also know a coach has to set the same rules for a star player as a sub or he will lose the team. Aj will be fine and will play sometime in the next week I expect

A head coach has to have a strong fortitude. I applaud his team-first stance rather than catering to Hammon's draft position and "paying customers." CMP rightfully did not go into the details of his game time omission and that's good enough for me.

The "business" aspect of it will take care of itself when we win as a team.

As you said previously, this is an internal matter and the consequences cannot be judged by you, me, or anyone not on the coaching staff.

The recruits we need to get desire a mentor/teacher/counselor, not a bro/buddy/cool uncle.

I watched the special on John Wooden the other night. He kicked Bill Walton out of practice for not having his haircut.

 

[Born Boiler]

Agreed. This is along the lines of blaming the court system and the police for putting a criminal in jail. Victimizing the person who broke the rules, made the poor choice, and then blaming those who enforce the consequences for the outcome. Sadly it is the twisted way many think these days. Born Boiler has provided us with a great example of such backward thinking.

Learn to read again, folks.

What I've said, repeatedly, is what happened behind closed doors should have been kept behind closed doors. Internal matters should be handled internally.

He wasn't arrested. He hasn't flunked off. Whatever he's done offended Painter in private. Yet he's being punished in public.

Plus, his future will be directly and negatively impacted. Most likely, in many key instances, so will our program's.

Fans of any era don't pay today's big bucks to sit and watch punishment ... (except lately in Ross-Ade).

And 98 percent of this thread shows the new-age thinking of "guilty until proven innocent."

Of that, you are most truly guilty.

 

[BBG]

Learn to read again, folks.

What I've said, repeatedly, is what happened behind closed doors should have been kept behind closed doors. Internal matters should be handled internally.

He wasn't arrested. He hasn't flunked off. Whatever he's done offended Painter in private. Yet he's being punished in public.

Plus, his future will be directly and negatively impacted. Most likely, in many key instances, so will our program's.

Fans of any era don't pay today's big bucks to sit and watch punishment ... (except lately in Ross-Ade).

And 98 percent of this thread shows the new-age thinking of "guilty until proven innocent."

Of that, you are most truly guilty.

So you complain about people here acting "guilty until proven innocent" yet since you have no idea what happened, you are doing the same thing in regards to CMP.

Hypocrite much?

 

[Born Boiler]

So you complain about people here acting "guilty until proven innocent" yet since you have no idea what happened, you are doing the same thing in regards to CMP.

Hypocrite much?

What I saw was a team MVP forced to sit out for no official reason or specific length of time, all determined internally by Painter, who could have instead handled the internal matter internally.

Case closed.

 

[AZboiler]

What I saw was a team MVP forced to sit out for no official reason or specific length of time, all determined internally by Painter, who could have instead handled the internal matter internally.

Case closed.

It appears you have an ax to grind with Painter.

 

[BBG]

What I saw was a team MVP forced to sit out for no official reason or specific length of time, all determined internally by Painter, who could have instead handled the internal matter internally.

Case closed.

What you saw is what you wanted to see for your own agenda. Your hypocritical claims are baseless and unfounded since you have zero first hand knowledge of why AJH didn't play.

Case closed. No chance for appeal.

 

[tjreese]

This is an excellent post. I am very worried about how this affects recruiting. Well said.

since I don't think AJ thinks much about it and was not surprised I doubt it affects anything. Now, if AJ goes out publicly against Matt it could. Players time and time again say Matt is great to play for...up front, honest as can be and treats "ALL" fair

 

[tjreese]

I watched the special on John Wooden the other night. He kicked Bill Walton out of practice for not having his haircut.

You cut that a little short! Bill loved Coach, respected Wooden AND cut his hair or was it beard?

 

[BBG]

since I don't think AJ thinks much about it and was not surprised I doubt it affects anything. Now, if AJ goes out publicly against Matt it could. Players time and time again say Matt is great to play for...up front, honest as can be and treats "ALL" fair

This. Some on here with an ax to grind are reading entirely too much in to something they have zero first hand knowledge of.

Painter not being consistent when dealing with people is what led to the personnel issues we had in the past.

 

[septimusharding]

Learn to read again, folks.

What I've said, repeatedly, is what happened behind closed doors should have been kept behind closed doors. Internal matters should be handled internally.

He wasn't arrested. He hasn't flunked off. Whatever he's done offended Painter in private. Yet he's being punished in public.

Plus, his future will be directly and negatively impacted. Most likely, in many key instances, so will our program's.

Fans of any era don't pay today's big bucks to sit and watch punishment ... (except lately in Ross-Ade).

And 98 percent of this thread shows the new-age thinking of "guilty until proven innocent."

Of that, you are most truly guilty.

I think you are right that we don't really know enough about the specific situation to say whether Painter is merely enforcing team rules or whether he's being a despot. But that cuts both ways. Other posters assume the former. You assume the latter. But both sides are making assumptions.

I disagree with some other things you say as well. You seem to imply that aside from academic ineligibility or legal problems, other player misbehavior is "internal" and thus should be handled internally (i.e., no suspension from games). But that doesn't seem like a reasonable principle. Players are suspended all the time for failures to live up to team rules. As long as those rules are made clear to the players in advance, I don't see what the problem is. I do think it is odd that Painter is being vague about the reason for this suspension, but again, we have no way to know why he's being vague, and any conclusions you (or your opponents) draw are again based on assumptions.

You also appear to claim that fans are entitled to see the star players and that Painter suspending AJ is unfair to fans. But again, it's unfair only if Painter is holding AJ out for some petty reason. But if it's because AJ failed to meet some expectation, then it's entirely reasonable. The need to enforce team rules obviously trumps the fans' "right" to see Johnny Starplayer. Once again, we can't really draw a fair conclusion unless we know why AJ hasn't played yet. And the fact is, we don't know.

You stated your opinion and I've tried to explain why I disagree. My reply is meant in a spirit of honest, non-hostile criticism, and I hope it is received in the same spirit.

 

[StateStreet123]

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons,.

You have to be kidding, right? You don't think an NBA GM would know the EXACT reason why Hammons was suspended if they have the least amount of interest in drafting him? A phone call to Painter, and interview with AJ himself, discussion with MANY folks internal to the Purdue program. C'mon man. You really dont think they do any due diligence on players of interest prior to draft day?

Also, you never answered my question on how Painter should handle a situation like I described in a post toward the top of this page. Am genuinely interested in your reply.

Boiler up!

 

[meenie]

Lighten up Francis. Blow it out your ass. I promise there is a very good reason for what Painter is doing. AJ pulls something like this every year. This isn't the first time this has happened. AJ has no fire. He will never be an NBA player.

 

[Dandelion1972]

This became “public” when Painter benched Hammons for a game that involved nearly 12,000 paying customers. This became the “business” of each and every one who purchased tickets to that game. The paying customers are entitled to see what they’ve paid for -- the team’s top lineup fully intact -- as it has been long anticipated, promoted and advertised.

Any suspensions should be defined. The lengths should be specified. “Maybe” and “it depends” is merely a coach playing games. Few pay to see him, particularly compared to an All-Big Ten first-team preseason pick who’s also on the national Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Watch List.

If the alleged offense is an “internal” issue that will not be made public -- unlike an arrest or eligibility matter -- then the punishment also must be internal. There’s extra work, community service, etc. Hammons should not have been subjected to the embarrassment of having to sit throughout the team’s first official public exhibition game for a purported private matter. That was Painter’s choice.

Above all, Painter has done a huge disservice to Hammons, who now, again, will be forced to hear season-long comments and questions about everything from his attitude to his zest for life. Purdue fans will have to endure yet another full season of media speculation on the internal makeup of the team’s leading scorer and rebounder and defender and best pro prospect in a decade. Hammons’ value as a pro pick had been diminished as an underclassman with benchings, and Painter’s latest “internal” punishment has only done further harm to a player who other coaches would be trying to promote as a senior product of their program.

This “internal matter” will likely cost draft position and money for Hammons, and, like it or not, recruits will take note, and we’ll again pay the price.

I agree with the poster who said, "please don't have any children of your own!"

Having coached for 17 years, there are things you do to discipline, that will help the player (and team) in the long run.