saw Iowa got Daviyon Nixon
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He did not qualify to get into Purdue. There are academic concerns with this guy. Surprised Iowa could take him even, and they have easier admissions than Purdue.
so his plight is similar to the Chambers kid that decommitted from Minny and landed up at Toledo.
Hopefully it's not his name we'll remember in the coming years when we play them. Still wonder how it's so hard to get into Purdue compared to another Big Ten school such as Iowa? I'm not going to question our standards or our stance on acceptance (Myklte Williams) but it still rings back to the truth in how hard it can be to win against your competition. There's a fine line there that we've chosen to be on the limiting side, I'm sure for the better you would hope.
Four years of high school math seems to be one of the biggest hurdles.
The specter of his ND past apparently caused problems with his admission. No specifics provided, but it likely was severe. Not severe enough for Syracuse.
this is disappointing to hear. I wasn't a tremendous fan of Nixon. but I do believe in standardization. Admittedly, I believe Purdue should maintain its high academic standards for its student athletes. But as prestigious academically as the BIG 10 is, I would hope one day that the conference decides that all schools within the conference have the same entrance requirements. Other BIG 10 schools have proven their academic excellence without requiring that 4th year of high school math. I don't understand why Purdue requires it. I could see certain degree programs requiring it, but not for all enrollees.
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I believe Purdue struggles to a large degree with the same problems as Georgia Tech. You both have administrations who are unwilling to compromise your reputations as Engineering schools to accommodate athletics. Paul Johnson at Tech is sometimes allowed to take a flier on a player by convincing the admissions folks to waive some of the prerequisites if he can show the kid is likely to succeed, but they are few and far between. The administration there remembers the pain of doing so for Chan Gailey and getting burned. Purdue is a straight arrow and certainly hasn't broken any rules, but Daniels seems very committed to the traditional notion of a student athlete and probably has set a similar tone. It may be Brohm has his work cutout for him to convince the admissions staff the kids he wants are high character kids who will succeed at Purdue even if they're a bit short on prerequisites. At the same time, does anyone believe Urban Meyer has a problem getting any of the kids he wants through the OSU admissions office?
Another problem both schools face to varying degrees is... well, degrees. Georgia Tech has a much more limited offering than say... UNC. A number of very smart kids want to study in areas which are absent from Tech's catalog. While Purdue doesn't suffer from the same lack of offerings, their identity as an Engineering (and Agriculture) school can act as a shade to the perceived quality of their other programs. The kind of kid who can qualify for Purdue are often the kind of kid who really cares about the quality of their degree program. I'm not suggesting Purdue doesn't offer a quality degree in History, Psychology, etc... but that the perception may be there, while other B1G schools are seen as having more broadly based curriculums.
I agree with you, but disagree with Purdue's administration's viewpoint. I was an elementary/math education major, not an engineer. Fortunately, I had 4 years of high school math. I tested out of three required math courses education majors are required to take . I can see why Purdue would want their incoming engineering students to be prepared and have a solid base of math in high school. But the reality is Purdue is so much more than just an engineering school. More than half of Purdue's students are NOT engineers. And Purdue's other schools are gaining the same national recognition as the engineering programs. It's time Purdue started looking at its product and saying we need to re-examine our entrance requirements.
I distinctly recall a speech Kentucky basketball coach Calipari made defending his athletes. He basically said his players, like all other UK students, come to UK to further their education, train, and become ready to accept a job in their respective major. Their major is basketball. That's their future job. While I'm not a huge fan of Calipari, what he said was spot on. His players come to UK to get a job. it's time Purdue's administration realized the same is true. I doubt they read my posts, but you never know. somebody does.
I distinctly recall a speech Kentucky basketball coach Calipari made defending his athletes. He basically said his players, like all other UK students, come to UK to further their education, train, and become ready to accept a job in their respective major. Their major is basketball. That's their future job. While I'm not a huge fan of Calipari, what he said was spot on. His players come to UK to get a job. it's time Purdue's administration realized the same is true. I doubt they read my posts, but you never know. somebody does.
Outside of Pharmacy, Analytical Chemistry, Operations Management, maybe Speech Pathology, can you name anything else outside of Engineering in which Purdue is ranked in the Top10? Purdue is known as an Engineering school for good reason.
They don't do rankings in the School of Consumer and Family Sciences, but multiple majors within it, are considered some of the best in the country.
I would add agriculture, veterinary, biology, chemistry, computer science and all management schools as being nationally ranked. And let's be honest - there are 14 schools in the BIG 10 alone. Throw in the Ivy league, and some other great colleges around the country. You don't have to be in the top 10 to be a quality and respected school. Engineering students may believe that engineering is king, but if you go to the Purdue student placement center, you will find many major companies looking for our graduates. I received offers to teach math from both the Dallas and Houston school systems. The military liked me, not for my degree, but rather because it was from Purdue.
Why would the B1G ever dictate entrance requirements? Why would ever want them to? This seems really stupid.
we are part of a conference. the Conference has many rules , regulations, and requirements. I think it would be a great idea since all of the schools within the BIG 10ridthemselves in their academic excellence, that they all have the same entrance requirements. it sort of levels the playing field for all schools within the conference. I fail to understand why you don't see the logic in this idea.
Because Purdue sees some value in a specific student body profile. Not all majors have the same profile for accepted candidates they just have the same baselines.
I don't suspect entrance requirements are what is holding Purdue back vs. Iowa or Illinois. Purdue shouldn't lower their standards. If you admit athletes with lower standards it cheats the rest of the students out of some value of their degree. The value of the degree is Purdue's #1 job.
You don't seem to grasp this. Purdue doesn't have the same entrance requirements for all majors. They have MINIMUM entrance requirements, including 4 years of HS math. Schools like Engineering and Pharmacy have quite a bit more stringent requirements than the MINIMUMs.
I like the fact that you can't just have a pulse and get admitted to Purdue (you really never could in the toughest majors). Iowa will admit just about anybody who is in-state.
BTW, Illinois has some majors, including Engineering, that have stringent admissions requirements too. They are a legit Top10 Engineering school.
again, I fully grasp it. I just don't agree with it. I don't want Purdue to lower its standards just for athletes. What I want is Purdue to redefine its entrance requirements for each major. Purdue is a public state school , not a private one. Its doors should be open to all students who want to enter. Purdue does have so called weed-out courses like Chem 115, and Calc 161. If a student fails academically, they fail, and the school's reputation remains in tact. A school's reputation is built upon its graduates, not its entrants. Like another famous person has said, I just don't see the point of making regulations and standards that serve no benefit or purpose. Purdue has an excellent education program. What purpose does making an education major take 4 years of high school math serve to an education major? Rather than closing the doors, and subjecting all students to a higher minimal standard, I want to open the doors and change the standards by major to allow all worthy students to enter.
And yes, I just went to the Purdue applications academic website. All students are required 4 years of math, 4 years of English, 3 years of science and social studies and 2 years of a foreign language. the only difference is engineers must have chemistry as part of their 3 years of science, and pharmacy and nursing majors must have both biology and chemistry . To me, that sure doesn't seem more stringent as the vast majority of all high school students going to college take biology and chemistry. I'm also not in favor of all majors requiring 4 years of English either.
I went to Notre Dame's admissions' website. Notre Dame only requires 3 years of math. I doubt you will find anybody that would claim Purdue students are that much smarter than Notre Dame students
and I went to Illinois's academic website. as for math, they require 3 years, with 3.5 years for specific majors like engineering and business , and about 5 other majors.
My point is the Purdue engineering school is a great school, but so is the one at Notre Dame and Illinois. But unlike Purdue, both of those schools have tailored their entrance requirements to meet the requirements of the specific major the student is applying for.
I'm not saying Purdue should lower its academic standards. What I'm saying is Purdue should open its eyes and tailor its academic standards to meet the demands/requirements of its academic programs, rather than just have one standard applied to all students. If Notre Dame and U of Illinois ca n tailor their entrance requirements, why can't Purdue ? It would take maybe an hour for Purdue to poll its academic deans to make the appropriate changes.
And yes, I just went to the Purdue applications academic website. All students are required 4 years of math, 4 years of English, 3 years of science and social studies and 2 years of a foreign language. the only difference is engineers must have chemistry as part of their 3 years of science, and pharmacy and nursing majors must have both biology and chemistry . To me, that sure doesn't seem more stringent as the vast majority of all high school students going to college take biology and chemistry. I'm also not in favor of all majors requiring 4 years of English either.
I went to Notre Dame's admissions' website. Notre Dame only requires 3 years of math. I doubt you will find anybody that would claim Purdue students are that much smarter than Notre Dame students
and I went to Illinois's academic website. as for math, they require 3 years, with 3.5 years for specific majors like engineering and business , and about 5 other majors.
My point is the Purdue engineering school is a great school, but so is the one at Notre Dame and Illinois. But unlike Purdue, both of those schools have tailored their entrance requirements to meet the requirements of the specific major the student is applying for.
I'm not saying Purdue should lower its academic standards. What I'm saying is Purdue should open its eyes and tailor its academic standards to meet the demands/requirements of its academic programs, rather than just have one standard applied to all students. If Notre Dame and U of Illinois ca n tailor their entrance requirements, why can't Purdue ? It would take maybe an hour for Purdue to poll its academic deans to make the appropriate changes.
Notre Dame is not good in Engineering. Isn't now, never has been.
I don't know why you have such a hard on for this subject. No, the doors should NOT be for everyone who wants to enter - this isn't IU. What you're advocating is not going to happen, and thank God for that.
I hate arguing with people who don't use facts and just speak without researching. . I never said Notre Dame was the best Engineering school, but they do have very smart students in many subjects including engineering. And yes, Illinois is a great engineering school, as is Michigan, UW, and many other BIG 10 schools. The facts are Illinois and Michigan are tied for 6th best Engineering schools in the U.S. , and Purdue is ranked 9th by US News and World Report. Where is Notre Dame's Engineering school? It's 37th ahead of Vanderbilt, Brown, Dartmouth, Yale and many other well respected engineering schools. I believe you owe Notre Dame students an apology, or at least admit you didn't realize they had a respected engineering program. Maybe not as good as Purdue's, but it is respected nationally.
check out this site for all college program rankings.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Now check out this site. It's from the University of Michigan whose engineering school is currently ranked ahead of Purdue. Yes, you must have 4 years of math to gain admittance to their engineering school, but not their other majors. And the University of Illinois is similar. They have both tailored their admission requirements to the programs/ majors they offer. And it hasn't affected the standing of their engineering school, or the standing/respect of their other schools.
https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/freshmen-applicants/college-preparation
the following is for Northwestern - considered by many to have very high academic standards. They require engineering majors to have 3.5 years of high school math and most every other major to have 3 years.
http://admissions.northwestern.edu/faqs/high-school-courses/index.html
The facts are that Purdue is so much more than JUST an engineering school! Most students come to Purdue to study something other than Engineering ! and those of us who are not engineers are tired of having your requirements and standards imposed on us. I didn't take thermodynamics. And I don't consider myself stupid for not doing so. I can agree that those students who want to major in engineering should have stringent entrance requirements. But don't impose your requirements and standards on the rest of us. Engineering students make up less than 1/4th of the total student population at Purdue - maybe now, even less ! And many athletes have no desire to be an engineer. So why can't Purdue wake up and be like the rest of the world and tailor their entrance requirements to the majors they offer?
Purdue is not Rose Holmann!!!!! Purdue is NOT some private engineering school. Purdue is a STATE school just like Ball State and IU ! And Purdue students who are not engineers are just as smart if not more so than their engineers. Orville Reddinbacker was not an engineer and neither was Amelia Earhart . When Purdue and IU were created, they were to serve all the people of Indiana. Each school would specialize in certain areas in order to better serve the public. and they share the medical school , IUPUI. Purdue is not greater than or less than IU. They are equal. My wife graduated from Purdue and graduate degree from IU. IU students are just as smart as Purdue students.
What I'm advocating is reality and change. And I'm sorry it disturbs you and others so much. All I'm asking for is such a small change, and all you want to do is argue and defend your turf and just say NO - it ain't happening. You are not the Dean of admissions. Ask yourself , why was Tiller so successful? his recruits were never elite. He was successful, because he advocated change ! I was never an engineer ,and never wanted to be one. However, I am a Purdue alum. And I look at processes and regulations much like an industrial engineer does. and the admissions process at Purdue is antiquated, old, and needs refinement to stay In step with other well respected universities. if the academic entrance requirements at Purdue remain the same, you will continue to lose out in football as well as academic programs.
check out this site for all college program rankings.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate
Now check out this site. It's from the University of Michigan whose engineering school is currently ranked ahead of Purdue. Yes, you must have 4 years of math to gain admittance to their engineering school, but not their other majors. And the University of Illinois is similar. They have both tailored their admission requirements to the programs/ majors they offer. And it hasn't affected the standing of their engineering school, or the standing/respect of their other schools.
https://admissions.umich.edu/apply/freshmen-applicants/college-preparation
the following is for Northwestern - considered by many to have very high academic standards. They require engineering majors to have 3.5 years of high school math and most every other major to have 3 years.
http://admissions.northwestern.edu/faqs/high-school-courses/index.html
The facts are that Purdue is so much more than JUST an engineering school! Most students come to Purdue to study something other than Engineering ! and those of us who are not engineers are tired of having your requirements and standards imposed on us. I didn't take thermodynamics. And I don't consider myself stupid for not doing so. I can agree that those students who want to major in engineering should have stringent entrance requirements. But don't impose your requirements and standards on the rest of us. Engineering students make up less than 1/4th of the total student population at Purdue - maybe now, even less ! And many athletes have no desire to be an engineer. So why can't Purdue wake up and be like the rest of the world and tailor their entrance requirements to the majors they offer?
Purdue is not Rose Holmann!!!!! Purdue is NOT some private engineering school. Purdue is a STATE school just like Ball State and IU ! And Purdue students who are not engineers are just as smart if not more so than their engineers. Orville Reddinbacker was not an engineer and neither was Amelia Earhart . When Purdue and IU were created, they were to serve all the people of Indiana. Each school would specialize in certain areas in order to better serve the public. and they share the medical school , IUPUI. Purdue is not greater than or less than IU. They are equal. My wife graduated from Purdue and graduate degree from IU. IU students are just as smart as Purdue students.
What I'm advocating is reality and change. And I'm sorry it disturbs you and others so much. All I'm asking for is such a small change, and all you want to do is argue and defend your turf and just say NO - it ain't happening. You are not the Dean of admissions. Ask yourself , why was Tiller so successful? his recruits were never elite. He was successful, because he advocated change ! I was never an engineer ,and never wanted to be one. However, I am a Purdue alum. And I look at processes and regulations much like an industrial engineer does. and the admissions process at Purdue is antiquated, old, and needs refinement to stay In step with other well respected universities. if the academic entrance requirements at Purdue remain the same, you will continue to lose out in football as well as academic programs.
So you do some of the same kind of work an IE does, but you're not an engineer. Now I understand your angry responses.
If you understood engineering at all, you'd know that Vanderbilt, Brown, Dartmouth, and Yale are not known as Engineering schools either. Vandy, Brown, and Dartmouth are more Liberal Arts schools, just like IU, but only better. If you had said Cornell or Princeton it might seem like you actually knew what you're talking about.
As for ND. I'm not apologizing to you, ND students, anyone. When I was in college, a friend of mine in the dormitory FR year was from South Bend. His father was an Engineering Professor at Notre Dame. He could have gone to ND free, but he and his parents decided to send him to Purdue because Purdue was far superior in Engineering than ND. He ended up going to Cal-Berkeley on a National Science Foundation grant (basically full-ride) for graduate school and earned a PhD in Electrical and Computer Engineering. He literally was a genius. Don't lecture me about a topic on which you literally know nothing.
If you went to Purdue and you claim IU is equal to Purdue academically, you are clueless. Each school has its place and specialties, but Purdue is more prestigious academically than IU (and has been for many years). IU has few, if any, offerings in the STEM areas where they are considered top-tier. That is the truth.
Even better is this nugget he dropped when someone said he didnt research his points
I was on same floor in Shreve Hall as Agase's son, I remember him making the commit about Purdue's record that year in football. Saying he couldn't understand why people thought it wasn't good enough. just brought back a memory with your commit
School of Ag is a top dog. I was in Quant Ag Econ. Little of column A, little of column B. Served me well thus far. Maybe we should all just be Western Illinois...
Wisconsin is not an engineering school, still requires 4 years of math, and they do just fine. There are a lot of legitimate reasons Purdue is bad at football. This isn't one of them.
As I recall, I think the son that attended Purdue was Mike Agase and he was later chapter pres of Sigma Phi Epsilon-Purdue's version of "Animal House" in the 1960's and 70's. I note Sig Ep has been suspended again until 2020 for hazing, alcohol violations, other infractions-maintaining its steller reputation on campus over many years
I can't remember his first name, but he wasn't a big , burly guy like his dad. He was a good guy . Probably was hard on the guy, with his dad as coach and not doing so well in the win/loss area.
that reminds me of the play when I was at Purdue during those years where Dierking threw a throwback halfback option pass to Vitale on the 1 or 2 yd line of nd, and their all american DB intercepted it and ran it back for a long TD.
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