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OK, I know that we want to win out and the odds of us pulling a 3 seed at this point are pretty slim, but here is what I figure we need to see in order to have the best chance to possibly slip into a 3 seed slot:

(using the totally outdated RPI system which will hopefully die a tragic death starting next year....)

1) Purdue wins out (duh). Preferably with wins against Michigan (top 50), Minnesota (top 20), and either Maryland / NW / Wisconsin. So hopefully 3 more top 50 wins putting our record against top 50 at 10-4.

2) Michigan beats Illinois. At this point, I think we would rather keep Michigan above top 50, because I don't think that Illinois beating Michigan and losing to us would be enough to jump them into the top 50.

3) BIG ONE --->Northwestern beats OSU, and possibly Maryland. While Maryland losing to NW might drop them out of the top 25, NW (currently 51) breaking into the top 50 gives us two more top 50 wins. The Committee theoretically receives a printout that shows Top 50 wins, not Top 25, so I might be willing to sacrifice the Maryland top 25 for two top 50's.

4) Penn State beats Nebraska. Penn State sits precariously at 98 while Nebraska sits at 92. We don't want Nebraska dropping below top 100, but I think that a loss to PSU would probably have them switch places (96/92), making sure we keep two top 100 wins and keeping all our losses in the top 100.

5) Notre Dame winning at least one, maybe two games. Good enough to keep them top 25, but not good enough to pass us. That will likely be Virginia, but could also be GT or Pitt. After that, they could beat Florida State and then lose the championship game. That would likely be ideal.

6) Butler, Florida State, Florida, West Virginia, and Duke losing their next game. The sooner they are out, the better. We are not passing Arizona and any of the 2's. Probably couldn't hurt for Virginia, Cincinnati, SMU, and Saint Mary's to lose also just to make sure they don't pass us. Would be especially helpful if Boston College knocked off Wake Forrest, Virginia Tech, and then Florida State. That would be a bad loss for FSU and somewhat weaken some of the RPI's of the rest of the ACC. Same with DePaul beating Xavier and then knocking off Butler. Texas being the one to knock off West Virginia would be ideal as well.

7) Oklahoma losing. That would remove a top 150 win from West Virginia and give them a sub-150 loss.

8) Auburn beats Missouri. Auburn sits at 95 right now and a loss to Missouri would likely knock them out of the top 100. Auburn getting hot and beating out Arkansas couldn't hurt, and if Florida is able to knock off the Vandy / aTm winner, then Auburn beating Florida would also benefit us.

9) Some weird combinations that force a few of the fringe top 100/150 teams out of the top 100/150 (or keeping them out), giving the teams ahead of us one less top 100/150 win. Something that kicks down a few spots for Iona (98), George Washington (100), St. Bonaventure (89), Mississippi State (144), Georgetown (92), Texas Tech (102), Georgia Tech? (93), and maybe Marshall (143).

The odds of even half of these items occurring are pretty low, but at this point, we could use every benefit we can get to make us look better than the competition.

So to summarize:
Root for:

Purdue (9 games)
NW (1 game, maybe 2)
Michigan (1 game)
PSU (1 game, maybe 2)
ND (1 game, maybe 2)
BC (3 games, or WF / VT to beat FSU if BC falls)
DePaul (2 games)
Texas (2 games)
TCU (1 game against OK)
Clemson (will play Duke next)
Auburn (4 games, I guess, but at least 2)
St. Johns (vs. Georgetown)

Root against:

ND (if they make the Championship game)
Illinois
OSU / Rutgers winner
Nebraska
Butler
Florida State
Duke
Oklahoma
Virginia
Cincinnati
SMU
Saint Mary's
Missouri
Mississippi State (losing to LSU might just drop them down to 151)
Texas Tech
GT
Marshall
Georgetown
 
Excellent analysis! Now just wait for the one guy to come along and tell you all we need to worry about is going 3-0 and the rest will "take care of itself".

I would add any other team on Purdue's schedule that is not also vying for a 3/4 seed. Also, when any of our conference double play opponents - IU, MSU, Iowa, NW, PSU - win that is an extra helping for RPI. Triple if we face them again in the BTT.
 
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Here's an interesting tidbit as it pertains to RPI and Purdue's path in the BTT:
If Purdue beats ILL or Michigan, then Minnesota, then Wisconsin or Maryland, it will give our individual game opponents 3 more total losses. However, if the path is beating ILL/Michigan, then MSU, then Northwestern, it would give our individual game opponents 5 more total losses.
 
Well, in fairness, item #1 on the list IS the most important. I had originally planned on putting IU in the "root against" column, because, well, they're IU. But you are probably right in that the benefit of IU beating Iowa is probably a slightly better benefit to our RPI than the opposite.
 
Here's an interesting tidbit as it pertains to RPI and Purdue's path in the BTT:
If Purdue beats ILL or Michigan, then Minnesota, then Wisconsin or Maryland, it will give our individual game opponents 3 more total losses. However, if the path is beating ILL/Michigan, then MSU, then Northwestern, it would give our individual game opponents 5 more total losses.

Each day, RPI is tarnished just a little more...mission accomplished.

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Excellent analysis! Now just wait for the one guy to come along and tell you all we need to worry about is going 3-0 and the rest will "take care of itself".

I would add any other team on Purdue's schedule that is not also vying for a 3/4 seed. Also, when any of our conference double play opponents - IU, MSU, Iowa, NW, PSU - win that is an extra helping for RPI. Triple if we face them again in the BTT.
3-0???!!

You're getting way ahead of yourself! We message boarders need to have a singular focus on the winner of the Michigan/Illinois game! You're letting the whole program down!!!
 
OK, I know that we want to win out and the odds of us pulling a 3 seed at this point are pretty slim, but here is what I figure we need to see in order to have the best chance to possibly slip into a 3 seed slot:

(using the totally outdated RPI system which will hopefully die a tragic death starting next year....)

1) Purdue wins out (duh). Preferably with wins against Michigan (top 50), Minnesota (top 20), and either Maryland / NW / Wisconsin. So hopefully 3 more top 50 wins putting our record against top 50 at 10-4.

2) Michigan beats Illinois. At this point, I think we would rather keep Michigan above top 50, because I don't think that Illinois beating Michigan and losing to us would be enough to jump them into the top 50.

3) BIG ONE --->Northwestern beats OSU, and possibly Maryland. While Maryland losing to NW might drop them out of the top 25, NW (currently 51) breaking into the top 50 gives us two more top 50 wins. The Committee theoretically receives a printout that shows Top 50 wins, not Top 25, so I might be willing to sacrifice the Maryland top 25 for two top 50's.

4) Penn State beats Nebraska. Penn State sits precariously at 98 while Nebraska sits at 92. We don't want Nebraska dropping below top 100, but I think that a loss to PSU would probably have them switch places (96/92), making sure we keep two top 100 wins and keeping all our losses in the top 100.

5) Notre Dame winning at least one, maybe two games. Good enough to keep them top 25, but not good enough to pass us. That will likely be Virginia, but could also be GT or Pitt. After that, they could beat Florida State and then lose the championship game. That would likely be ideal.

6) Butler, Florida State, Florida, West Virginia, and Duke losing their next game. The sooner they are out, the better. We are not passing Arizona and any of the 2's. Probably couldn't hurt for Virginia, Cincinnati, SMU, and Saint Mary's to lose also just to make sure they don't pass us. Would be especially helpful if Boston College knocked off Wake Forrest, Virginia Tech, and then Florida State. That would be a bad loss for FSU and somewhat weaken some of the RPI's of the rest of the ACC. Same with DePaul beating Xavier and then knocking off Butler. Texas being the one to knock off West Virginia would be ideal as well.

7) Oklahoma losing. That would remove a top 150 win from West Virginia and give them a sub-150 loss.

8) Auburn beats Missouri. Auburn sits at 95 right now and a loss to Missouri would likely knock them out of the top 100. Auburn getting hot and beating out Arkansas couldn't hurt, and if Florida is able to knock off the Vandy / aTm winner, then Auburn beating Florida would also benefit us.

9) Some weird combinations that force a few of the fringe top 100/150 teams out of the top 100/150 (or keeping them out), giving the teams ahead of us one less top 100/150 win. Something that kicks down a few spots for Iona (98), George Washington (100), St. Bonaventure (89), Mississippi State (144), Georgetown (92), Texas Tech (102), Georgia Tech? (93), and maybe Marshall (143).

The odds of even half of these items occurring are pretty low, but at this point, we could use every benefit we can get to make us look better than the competition.

So to summarize:
Root for:

Purdue (9 games)
NW (1 game, maybe 2)
Michigan (1 game)
PSU (1 game, maybe 2)
ND (1 game, maybe 2)
BC (3 games, or WF / VT to beat FSU if BC falls)
DePaul (2 games)
Texas (2 games)
TCU (1 game against OK)
Clemson (will play Duke next)
Auburn (4 games, I guess, but at least 2)
St. Johns (vs. Georgetown)

Root against:

ND (if they make the Championship game)
Illinois
OSU / Rutgers winner
Nebraska
Butler
Florida State
Duke
Oklahoma
Virginia
Cincinnati
SMU
Saint Mary's
Missouri
Mississippi State (losing to LSU might just drop them down to 151)
Texas Tech
GT
Marshall
Georgetown
Squeak,
That's nice work, and a lot of it, but in the end it just means that you are nuts!:D
 
Today (3/8):
Utah St over San Jose St
Arizona St over Stanford
Penn St
over Nebraska
Auburn over Missouri
Clemson over Duke
Pitt over Virginia

favorites in bold
 
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Utah State plays San Jose State.

And as much as I would love for Arizona State to go on a run and win the Pac-10 Tourney, I doubt that would be enough to kick them into the top 100.....but yeah, I guess at this point, every little boost to the RPI we can get should be rooted for.
 
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BTW, Miami / Syracuse just started. (Edit) We want Syracuse to win. Duke lost to Syracuse in their one meeting, but they split with Miami. Miami losing knocks down both a win and a loss for them, so slightly better result for us for Miami to lose. Granted, Syracuse losing probably knocks them out of the tourney and leaves more room for a Big Ten team, but again, this whole thread is about the RPI and the miniscule ways that the RPI can be affected to help Purdue get to a 3 seed.
 
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Nebraska has been getting throttled the last couple weeks. Not sure if they've thrown in the towel or what.

Yes....Michigan just took them to the woodshed last Sunday. Could you have a bigger disparity between the start and finish to the conference season?
 
OK, I know that we want to win out and the odds of us pulling a 3 seed at this point are pretty slim, but here is what I figure we need to see in order to have the best chance to possibly slip into a 3 seed slot:

(using the totally outdated RPI system which will hopefully die a tragic death starting next year....)

1) Purdue wins out (duh). Preferably with wins against Michigan (top 50), Minnesota (top 20), and either Maryland / NW / Wisconsin. So hopefully 3 more top 50 wins putting our record against top 50 at 10-4.

2) Michigan beats Illinois. At this point, I think we would rather keep Michigan above top 50, because I don't think that Illinois beating Michigan and losing to us would be enough to jump them into the top 50.

3) BIG ONE --->Northwestern beats OSU, and possibly Maryland. While Maryland losing to NW might drop them out of the top 25, NW (currently 51) breaking into the top 50 gives us two more top 50 wins. The Committee theoretically receives a printout that shows Top 50 wins, not Top 25, so I might be willing to sacrifice the Maryland top 25 for two top 50's.

4) Penn State beats Nebraska. Penn State sits precariously at 98 while Nebraska sits at 92. We don't want Nebraska dropping below top 100, but I think that a loss to PSU would probably have them switch places (96/92), making sure we keep two top 100 wins and keeping all our losses in the top 100.

5) Notre Dame winning at least one, maybe two games. Good enough to keep them top 25, but not good enough to pass us. That will likely be Virginia, but could also be GT or Pitt. After that, they could beat Florida State and then lose the championship game. That would likely be ideal.

6) Butler, Florida State, Florida, West Virginia, and Duke losing their next game. The sooner they are out, the better. We are not passing Arizona and any of the 2's. Probably couldn't hurt for Virginia, Cincinnati, SMU, and Saint Mary's to lose also just to make sure they don't pass us. Would be especially helpful if Boston College knocked off Wake Forrest, Virginia Tech, and then Florida State. That would be a bad loss for FSU and somewhat weaken some of the RPI's of the rest of the ACC. Same with DePaul beating Xavier and then knocking off Butler. Texas being the one to knock off West Virginia would be ideal as well.

7) Oklahoma losing. That would remove a top 150 win from West Virginia and give them a sub-150 loss.

8) Auburn beats Missouri. Auburn sits at 95 right now and a loss to Missouri would likely knock them out of the top 100. Auburn getting hot and beating out Arkansas couldn't hurt, and if Florida is able to knock off the Vandy / aTm winner, then Auburn beating Florida would also benefit us.

9) Some weird combinations that force a few of the fringe top 100/150 teams out of the top 100/150 (or keeping them out), giving the teams ahead of us one less top 100/150 win. Something that kicks down a few spots for Iona (98), George Washington (100), St. Bonaventure (89), Mississippi State (144), Georgetown (92), Texas Tech (102), Georgia Tech? (93), and maybe Marshall (143).

The odds of even half of these items occurring are pretty low, but at this point, we could use every benefit we can get to make us look better than the competition.


From your post to the Basketball Gods ears and thanks for all the work...But for Purdue's part in all this will feel much better taking it one game at a time....:cool:
 
From Jerry Palm's 'Palm Reader:'

How Purdue can boost their RPI today:

Utah State needs to beat San Jose State (game at 2pm)
Arizona State needs to beat Stanford (game at 3pm)
Penn State needs to beat Nebraska (game at 4:30pm)
Auburn needs to beat Missouri (game at 9:25pm)

Also, when looking at the most likely of 3 seeds to fall out of that place (Florida State and Butler), Purdue's resume is really very close to both. The thing helping Purdue in both instances is that Purdue does not have a sub 100 RPI loss at this point, where as Florida State (1-Temple [121] and Butler (2-St. Johns [139] and Indiana State [237]).

Butler & Purdue Comparison: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/BUTLER/PURDUE

Florida State & Purdue Comparison: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology/team-comparison/FSU/PURDUE

There is VERY little that separates these three teams so I truly believe what happens in the games leading up to Sunday will make a huge difference in the eyes of the committee. Purdue has a legitimate chance to play 3 straight games against tourney teams in Michigan, Minnesota/Michigan State, and Whisky/Maryland. If that happens, I truly believe Purdue jumps in to a 3 seed no matter what...if some teams drop a bad game ahead of them, the lowest 2 seed truly isn't out of the realm of possibility.
 
Today (3/8):
Utah St over San Jose St
Arizona St over Stanford
Penn St
over Nebraska
Auburn over Missouri
Clemson over Duke
Pitt over Virginia

favorites in bold
Not too bad so far today.
Bad:
Duke beat Clemson

Good:
Utah State beats SJSt
ASU will beat Stanford (after a scare and going to OT)
PSU is up 5 on Nebraska currently, knock on wood.

Neutral:
Miami beats Syracuse. Might have been better if flipped, but it increases the odds of another Big Ten team getting in
 
Help please....Where're you getting all these scores?? My ESPN Banner has disappeared- old person here...lol!
 
Not much changed yesterday as Duke and Virginia avoided upset losses.

Today (3/9), quite a bit going on. Rooting for:
Notre Dame over Virginia
Louisville over Duke
Texas over West Virginia
Xavier over Butler
Virginia Tech over FSU
Villanova over St. John's
Utah St over Nevada
Arizona St over Oregon (we can dream)
Northwestern over Rutgers (although NW RPI may still drop by playing RU now instead of OSU)
Michigan over Illinois???
 
Yeah. Kinda a mixed day yesterday. Duke and Virginia winning was disappointing, but not particularly unexpected. The only particularly bad result yesterday was Auburn losing to Missouri. That loss dropped them out of the top 100. While that stings a little for us to lose a top 100 win, gotta remember that it steals away one of Florida and Kentucky's top 100 wins as well.

Also of note from yesterday:

Good:
Georgetown lost and it took them down to 101, removing a top 100 win from Butler.
Oklahoma also lost, knocking them down to 154 and giving West Virginia a sub-150 loss.
Texas beating TT pretty well guarantees that they will stay out of the top 100, keeping that a sub-100 loss for West Virginia and eliminating a top 100 win.

Bad:
Mississippi State beat LSU, which will keep them in the top 150 (helps Florida / Kentucky). Doesn't change anything really, but I was hoping they would drop that one and drop under 150.

In addition to the games listed in the post above, we also want:

Seton Hall to beat Marquette. Marquette sits at 55 to Seton Hall's 44. Butler lost to Seton Hall once but beat Marquette twice. While Seton Hall losing could possibly drop them out of the top 50, we do not want the Marquette win to become two top 50 wins for Butler.

MSU over Alabama? I know I was rooting against them yesterday, but now that they are pretty much guaranteed to staying in the top 150 if they lose today, might as well hope they win and see if they can somehow knock Alabama (87) out of the top 100 (which considering the tumble that Auburn took losing to Missouri, I suppose it's possible). Even if it doesn't knock them all the way out of the top 100, it might drop them below Nebraska (98) and PSU (91), which helps us.

East Carolina over Temple. Temple sits at 115 and is a loss for West Virginia. Need to keep that as a sub-100 loss for WVU.

Texas A&M over Vandy. This pains me to write this, as I am a minor Vanderbilt fan also, but in this case, them losing this game may drop them down from 45 to below 50. That would A) Free up a spot for NW to climb and B) Knock two of Florida's losses to sub-top 50 losses (and eliminate two top-50 wins for Kentucky).

Tennessee over Georgia. Same as Vandy above, Georgia sits at 49. A loss today knocks them out of the top 50 which is good for NW.

Baylor over KSU, I guess. KSU sits at 60, but beating a top 10 team might vault them into the top 50.

Old Dominion over Marshall. Marshall sits at 143 and is a win for Cincinnati. A loss might drop them below 150.
 
I know it's a little early (11 minutes left to go in the second half), but I think we can call the Villanova / St Johns game as a Villanova victory. :)
 
I just want them to win 3 games in DC. The rest will sort itself out. We're in the NCAA tournament and will have an opportunity to take care of business once we get there no matter what seed we get.
 
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Well, if a higher seed was available, Duke just snagged it. Utah State and Arizona State as likely losses wont help either.
 
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