Redmon to Boise State

[GemstateBoiler]

Just read in the local paper that Miss Redmon will be playing at BSU this year. Since she graduated she doesn't need to sit out a year. Seems there may have been more to the story now. Maybe it was going to be playing time but it's odd since she is going to be playing for a team that is just so-so in a weak WB conference.

 

[mathboy]

I thought she left was because she did not get into Purdue's graduate school program in what ever major she was looking to continue. There is more to her life than basketball, me thinks.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Originally posted by mathboy:
I thought she left was because she did not get into Purdue's graduate school program in what ever major she was looking to continue. There is more to her life than basketball, me thinks.

Me thinks, that was reported but it was also reported by GBI and other sources that:

For the second straight summer, the Boilermakers are unexpectedly losing their projected starting center.

Camille Redmon has decided not to play her senior season at Purdue following her graduation in May, per a release from the school. The 6-foot-4 center will not continue her career elsewhere.

Kids change their minds I guess and she likes to travel since this will be her 4th school either committing to or playing at. We'll easily survive without her and maybe this points some to our freshmen posts being pretty good. Who knows until we actually see it.

Basketball was obviously still a factor.You can use the "more to life than basketball" for 99% of them, me thinks

 

[illiniboiler]

This clearly does not line up with what was said, if that info was originally correct. Redmon's experience could have helped us just like the loss of Manuel did. I hope there is not a lot of disclaimers here about how she would make no difference. Like Manuel, Redmon was the projected starting center and would have played significant minutes at least until the frosh acclimated especially with Bodnar hurt. So, no, it is not the end of the world, but losing Redmon was not a good thing and it is curious that now she IS going to play BB.

 

[TC4THREE]

Originally posted by illiniboiler:
This clearly does not line up with what was said, if that info was originally correct. Redmon's experience could have helped us just like the loss of Manuel did. I hope there is not a lot of disclaimers here about how she would make no difference. Like Manuel, Redmon was the projected starting center and would have played significant minutes at least until the frosh acclimated especially with Bodnar hurt. So, no, it is not the end of the world, but losing Redmon was not a good thing and it is curious that now she IS going to play BB.

Far bigger loss than Manuel in my opinion. Not crushing but could be significant if others can't come in and provide an interior presence right away. I think we actually ended up being better off last year without Manuel. Gave some time/experience to others who proved more capable than Manuel was.

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by TC4THREE:

Originally posted by illiniboiler:
This clearly does not line up with what was said, if that info was originally correct. Redmon's experience could have helped us just like the loss of Manuel did. I hope there is not a lot of disclaimers here about how she would make no difference. Like Manuel, Redmon was the projected starting center and would have played significant minutes at least until the frosh acclimated especially with Bodnar hurt. So, no, it is not the end of the world, but losing Redmon was not a good thing and it is curious that now she IS going to play BB.

Far bigger loss than Manuel in my opinion. Not crushing but could be significant if others can't come in and provide an interior presence right away. I think we actually ended up being better off last year without Manuel. Gave some time/experience to others who proved more capable than Manuel was.

I don't necessarily disagree with your perspective. However, I recall at this time last year, Redmon was not well respected by this board, and her presence was not considered to be much of a team asset. Frankly, I still hold onto some of that opinion.

I really liked Manuel's aggressive play. She was one of the few players that played her game against the top 10 teams we played, when many of the others wilted. I don't think she really bought into the work ethic needed to be competative in the BIG while Redmon did buy in. Also, I think Redmon was a better team player than Manuel, so from that standpoint, I agree with you.

That said, I don't think Redmon's loss is that big a deal. As long as Bays and Clemons are playing, Redmon will not be missed that much. Yes, she provided extra depth on the front line, but the incoming freshmen just might be better offensive players right off the bat, and will learn defense pretty quickly.

I worry more about replacing the guard tandem of C-Mo and KK than anything along the front line. This year is about a full change in personnell in the guard position, and college is a guard's game. Worrysome. There is talent back there, but it has not been demonstrated in the games last year.

 

[oldgoldandblack]

Now that we know not quite "the Rest of the Story" as Paul Harvey used to say, but we know a little more, it seems entirely possible that Redmon's original decision may have been that she was not going to continue to play basketball UNLESS she could use basketball to pursue graduate studies. If, as I have read here or somewhere, it is true that Purdue denied her admission to the graduate program that she had sought, it was just good public relations for her and Purdue, not to state the "unless" part. It also seems quite possible that the opportunity to be admitted to a graduate program at Boise State and get a scholarship for playing her final season is a more recent (and maybe not entirely anticipated) opportunity. In other words, it is possible that, only after she found a way to combine playing basketball with a scholarship supported pursuit of a graduate degree, did she decide to continue playing basketball.

I don't blame the kid for taking the opportunity at Boise State and I wish her well. She had to make the best decision for her future and a the pursuit of the graduate degree, on an athletic scholarship, was probably a better decision than taking some miscellaneous classes, not toward a degree, at Purdue.

 

[illiniboiler]

oldgoldandblack--very much agree

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Originally posted by oldgoldandblack:
Now that we know not quite "the Rest of the Story" as Paul Harvey used to say, but we know a little more, it seems entirely possible that Redmon's original decision may have been that she was not going to continue to play basketball UNLESS she could use basketball to pursue graduate studies. If, as I have read here or somewhere, it is true that Purdue denied her admission to the graduate program that she had sought, it was just good public relations for her and Purdue, not to state the "unless" part. It also seems quite possible that the opportunity to be admitted to a graduate program at Boise State and get a scholarship for playing her final season is a more recent (and maybe not entirely anticipated) opportunity. In other words, it is possible that, only after she found a way to combine playing basketball with a scholarship supported pursuit of a graduate degree, did she decide to continue playing basketball.

I don't blame the kid for taking the opportunity at Boise State and I wish her well. She had to make the best decision for her future and a the pursuit of the graduate degree, on an athletic scholarship, was probably a better decision than taking some miscellaneous classes, not toward a degree, at Purdue.

Oh OGB,

That's too reasonable and would never be scandalous enough to make a TV show about. Then again, it's possible it's the case. BSU will let kids into Grad School (one of the worst schools in the nation of graduating kids in Grad. School) now who wouldn't get into schools like Purdue, and if you can get in for free by playing one year of basketball, even at a lower tier school, go for it. The timing of these post players two years in a row makes you question it somewhat in your mind though.

Then again, she may just like football, potatoes, and the colors blue and orange.
This post was edited on 8/28 5:39 PM by GemstateBoiler

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Oh OGB,

... The timing of these post players two years in a row makes you question it somewhat in your mind though.

This post was edited on 8/28 5:39 PM by GemstateBoiler

Gemstate,

I would not compare Manual to Redmon in any way. Your "two in a row" comment would lead me to think you see similarities where few exist.

Yes, both were centers, and both left with eligibility left. That's it. Reasons for leaving were entirely different. Manual was not doing well with classes and did not want to follow the regiment to get in shape. She was undisciplined and unprepared academically, and unwilling to commit to the actions needed to stay on the team. She stayed at Purdue a year, right?

Redmon was the polar opposite, IMHO. She came in as a weak post player and worked hard to achieve a starting position on a pretty good team. She would have played another year at Purdue if she could have gotten into the graduate program. Huge differences between the two situations, and that alone says nothing negative or positive about the program.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Oh OGB,

... The timing of these post players two years in a row makes you question it somewhat in your mind though.

This post was edited on 8/28 5:39 PM by GemstateBoiler

Gemstate,

I would not compare Manual to Redmon in any way. Your "two in a row" comment would lead me to think you see similarities where few exist.

Yes, both were centers, and both left with eligibility left. That's it. Reasons for leaving were entirely different. Manual was not doing well with classes and did not want to follow the regiment to get in shape. She was undisciplined and unprepared academically, and unwilling to commit to the actions needed to stay on the team. She stayed at Purdue a year, right?

Redmon was the polar opposite, IMHO. She came in as a weak post player and worked hard to achieve a starting position on a pretty good team. She would have played another year at Purdue if she could have gotten into the graduate program. Huge differences between the two situations, and that alone says nothing negative or positive about the program.

MB,

Okay I like a good debate. Back at ya.

You make quite a few assumptions with few facts to back them. I do see some similarities but not for the reasons you assume. They both left us with an open spot on the roster because of the timing of departure. The real reasons are not always told and now a statement has changed from original report. That happens. If one of my employees gives a one day notice because they won the lottery and another one does the same because they didn't like their co-workers, it's still the same result no matter the reasons for it. It's my own thing but I sometimes have a problem with loyalty with athletes. I think they selfishly let their school and teammates down when they leave after recruiting is done for that season. Similar situation, to me. Maybe the school knew that she was only going to stay if she got into graduate school. Who knows, maybe you do? It's a double edged sword, since they are told to think of their own future but also they must be a good team player. Kudos to the school for not giving an athlete special undeserved treatment. Schools and alumni give a lot to athletes, some going elsewhere are justified, some are not. It happens too often now but I don't have to like it. The similar timing is what I have a problem with with these two and that's what I questioned. I wish her well in Blue and Orange as I'll see the box score for every game in the paper. BSU sports is good for the city so I back it. Plus I have two daughters who graduated from there...and now one of them is in GRAD school there also. Ironic.

2nd, we all assume Miss Manual left because she couldn't handle the conditioning and work ethic. Not 100% fact but a logical assumption- human nature but based on hearsay. First I heard that academics were involved so maybe I missed something. Do you know that for a fact? I went back into all articles on this and can't find anything that said she had a problem with this. Do you have information to back this? She wasn't ineligible so maybe you have access to her transcripts or other private things.

3rd, Funny, I don't know where you come up with the assumption that I was bashing or questioning the program in your last sentence. I'm the first to complain when I don't like things but I also have a Purdue tatoo on my butt...Don't ask for a picture please

Happy Friday.

 

[PurdueTim14]

Redmon's loss is big, not huge, but significant. Anyone that tries to downplay it and spin it is being deceitful or doesn't know what they're talking about. She would have been the starter out of the gate and played significant minutes. She really improved last season and who knows how much more she's improved over the summer? This is very curious and goes to SV imho. This makes the center position very, very, very thin right now with Bodnar out until January. There's much more to this story than what we're being told, but since this program gets little to no media coverage, who knows what the real truth is sadly! Boiler Up!

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Oh OGB,

... The timing of these post players two years in a row makes you question it somewhat in your mind though.

This post was edited on 8/28 5:39 PM by GemstateBoiler

Gemstate,

I would not compare Manual to Redmon in any way. Your "two in a row" comment would lead me to think you see similarities where few exist.

Yes, both were centers, and both left with eligibility left. That's it. Reasons for leaving were entirely different. Manual was not doing well with classes and did not want to follow the regiment to get in shape. She was undisciplined and unprepared academically, and unwilling to commit to the actions needed to stay on the team. She stayed at Purdue a year, right?

Redmon was the polar opposite, IMHO. She came in as a weak post player and worked hard to achieve a starting position on a pretty good team. She would have played another year at Purdue if she could have gotten into the graduate program. Huge differences between the two situations, and that alone says nothing negative or positive about the program.

MB,

Okay I like a good debate. Back at ya.

You make quite a few assumptions with few facts to back them. I do see some similarities but not for the reasons you assume. They both left us with an open spot on the roster because of the timing of departure. The real reasons are not always told and now a statement has changed from original report. That happens. If one of my employees gives a one day notice because they won the lottery and another one does the same because they didn't like their co-workers, it's still the same result no matter the reasons for it. It's my own thing but I sometimes have a problem with loyalty with athletes. I think they selfishly let their school and teammates down when they leave after recruiting is done for that season. Similar situation, to me. Maybe the school knew that she was only going to stay if she got into graduate school. Who knows, maybe you do? It's a double edged sword, since they are told to think of their own future but also they must be a good team player. Kudos to the school for not giving an athlete special undeserved treatment. Schools and alumni give a lot to athletes, some going elsewhere are justified, some are not. It happens too often now but I don't have to like it. The similar timing is what I have a problem with with these two and that's what I questioned. I wish her well in Blue and Orange as I'll see the box score for every game in the paper. BSU sports is good for the city so I back it. Plus I have two daughters who graduated from there...and now one of them is in GRAD school there also. Ironic.

2nd, we all assume Miss Manual left because she couldn't handle the conditioning and work ethic. Not 100% fact but a logical assumption- human nature but based on hearsay. First I heard that academics were involved so maybe I missed something. Do you know that for a fact? I went back into all articles on this and can't find anything that said she had a problem with this. Do you have information to back this? She wasn't ineligible so maybe you have access to her transcripts or other private things.

3rd, Funny, I don't know where you come up with the assumption that I was bashing or questioning the program in your last sentence. I'm the first to complain when I don't like things but I also have a Purdue tatoo on my butt...Don't ask for a picture please

Happy Friday.

Giid stuff Gemstate. There are a lot of assumptions in my note. The worst was assuming you were criticising Versyp for the loss of redmon. You didn't, not really. I guiess I read that between the lines.

Miss Manual was a heck of a player, but you are correct, she never bought into the conditioning and such. I had also thought I read (On here) that grades were barely making the grade. I could be wrong, but I thought someone said she had such poor high school preparation that she struggled at Purdue academically.

Pretty sure we lost the last year of Redmon because she didn't get into the grad school she wanted at Purdue. Had she gotten into the program at Purdue, she would be our starting center this year. Maybe the school has more integrity than some of the others around the NCAA. The decision was made based on her academis standing and the availablility of spots in the program, and not because she played basketball for the school.

Keep those Tarheels in line!

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by PurdueTim14:
Redmon's loss is big, not huge, but significant. Anyone that tries to downplay it and spin it is being deceitful or doesn't know what they're talking about. She would have been the starter out of the gate and played significant minutes. She really improved last season and who knows how much more she's improved over the summer? This is very curious and goes to SV imho. This makes the center position very, very, very thin right now with Bodnar out until January. There's much more to this story than what we're being told, but since this program gets little to no media coverage, who knows what the real truth is sadly! Boiler Up!

I think we all agree that Redmon's loss is significant. My concern is that you seem to think this is a problem that SV created, or perhaps, could have solved. Redmon did not get into the graduate program she wanted at Purdue. She chose not to waste a year of her life taking non-degree-applicable classes at Purdue, just to play a game for one more year. You or I would have made the same choice.

Could Sharon have begged her to stay and waste a year of her life, and lose the opportunity to get the first year of a real graduate program, paid for through an athletic scholarship at another school? I doubt it. It would have been in the best interest of the Purdue Womens program, but obviously not for the kid involved. Redmon didn't know if she could get into a graduate program at a school with a basketball program, so the opportunity to play one more year wasn't a sure thing. SV made the correct choice here.

Could SV have lobbied the academic department at Purdue that determined who got into the graduate program? Maybe, but that is a slipppery slope. I doubt that SV felt the need to attempt to influence the academic department to which Redmon was applying. Furthermore, I doubt she could have influenced them much beyond providing a charater reference. Had Camille asked, I am certain Sharon would have provided a character reference, but that would have only a minor influence over getting into the program.

This does not "go to SV" IMHO.

 

[WaltV]

If you think Redmon would have been the starting center, do you think that Purdue would have started three bigs----with Bays and Clemons? I hope they wouldn't have. I think Bays will be the best player on Purdue's team this year---may have been last year---and might be as good as anyone in the Big Ten. I think Clemons would have started ahead of Redmon, and I hope the freshmen will be able to do what Redmon could do. She was a marginal offensive player whose big contribution was interior defense, I think. I agree that SV should not be criticized for Redmon's leaving, but I am not sure the loss is significant.

 

[GemstateBoiler]

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Originally posted by mathboy:

Originally posted by GemstateBoiler:

Oh OGB,

... The timing of these post players two years in a row makes you question it somewhat in your mind though.

This post was edited on 8/28 5:39 PM by GemstateBoiler

Gemstate,

I would not compare Manual to Redmon in any way. Your "two in a row" comment would lead me to think you see similarities where few exist.

Yes, both were centers, and both left with eligibility left. That's it. Reasons for leaving were entirely different. Manual was not doing well with classes and did not want to follow the regiment to get in shape. She was undisciplined and unprepared academically, and unwilling to commit to the actions needed to stay on the team. She stayed at Purdue a year, right?

Redmon was the polar opposite, IMHO. She came in as a weak post player and worked hard to achieve a starting position on a pretty good team. She would have played another year at Purdue if she could have gotten into the graduate program. Huge differences between the two situations, and that alone says nothing negative or positive about the program.

MB,

Okay I like a good debate. Back at ya.

You make quite a few assumptions with few facts to back them. I do see some similarities but not for the reasons you assume. They both left us with an open spot on the roster because of the timing of departure. The real reasons are not always told and now a statement has changed from original report. That happens. If one of my employees gives a one day notice because they won the lottery and another one does the same because they didn't like their co-workers, it's still the same result no matter the reasons for it. It's my own thing but I sometimes have a problem with loyalty with athletes. I think they selfishly let their school and teammates down when they leave after recruiting is done for that season. Similar situation, to me. Maybe the school knew that she was only going to stay if she got into graduate school. Who knows, maybe you do? It's a double edged sword, since they are told to think of their own future but also they must be a good team player. Kudos to the school for not giving an athlete special undeserved treatment. Schools and alumni give a lot to athletes, some going elsewhere are justified, some are not. It happens too often now but I don't have to like it. The similar timing is what I have a problem with with these two and that's what I questioned. I wish her well in Blue and Orange as I'll see the box score for every game in the paper. BSU sports is good for the city so I back it. Plus I have two daughters who graduated from there...and now one of them is in GRAD school there also. Ironic.

2nd, we all assume Miss Manual left because she couldn't handle the conditioning and work ethic. Not 100% fact but a logical assumption- human nature but based on hearsay. First I heard that academics were involved so maybe I missed something. Do you know that for a fact? I went back into all articles on this and can't find anything that said she had a problem with this. Do you have information to back this? She wasn't ineligible so maybe you have access to her transcripts or other private things.

3rd, Funny, I don't know where you come up with the assumption that I was bashing or questioning the program in your last sentence. I'm the first to complain when I don't like things but I also have a Purdue tatoo on my butt...Don't ask for a picture please

Happy Friday.

Giid stuff Gemstate. There are a lot of assumptions in my note. The worst was assuming you were criticising Versyp for the loss of redmon. You didn't, not really. I guiess I read that between the lines.

Miss Manual was a heck of a player, but you are correct, she never bought into the conditioning and such. I had also thought I read (On here) that grades were barely making the grade. I could be wrong, but I thought someone said she had such poor high school preparation that she struggled at Purdue academically.

Pretty sure we lost the last year of Redmon because she didn't get into the grad school she wanted at Purdue. Had she gotten into the program at Purdue, she would be our starting center this year. Maybe the school has more integrity than some of the others around the NCAA. The decision was made based on her academis standing and the availablility of spots in the program, and not because she played basketball for the school.

Keep those Tarheels in line!

Fair response. You're forgiven

Thanks for helping knock down the spider webs on this board. We needed some new activity here!

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by WaltV:

If you think Redmon would have been the starting center, do you think that Purdue would have started three bigs----with Bays and Clemons? I hope they wouldn't have. I think Bays will be the best player on Purdue's team this year---may have been last year---and might be as good as anyone in the Big Ten. I think Clemons would have started ahead of Redmon, and I hope the freshmen will be able to do what Redmon could do. She was a marginal offensive player whose big contribution was interior defense, I think. I agree that SV should not be criticized for Redmon's leaving, but I am not sure the loss is significant.

I can't find much in your post to disagree with. It was only my speculation that Redmon would start ahead of Clemons. She has the height advantage, and is a reaosnable defensive player. I agree that Clemons may be more balanced as far as both defense and offense. We will never know now.

 

[mathboy]

You bet. Too many spider webs. We are one of the few schools with a separate board just for WBB. I think that is pretty cool. We need to keep it active and interesting.

This year is one of those transition years. Our starting guard combo for the last 3-4 years is now gone. The hot shooting, ultra quick, turn over prone team that we saw for the last few years has been replaced... by what? I find these periods to be very interesting. We don't know what Hanby and company will bring to the back court. We don't know what we have in this freshman class, and they will need to be on track fast.

Some of the fixtures at our competing schools are also gone. PSU may have a new look this year, and we have Maryland in the legue now. Needless to say, this will be an interesting year.

 

[PurdueTim14]

I think SV would have started Clemons, Bays and Redmon on the same front line. Clemons isn't a "true post player", let's agree with that premise, she never played Center until last season. Ideally Clemons to me is a PF or Center in a pinch if no one else can play the position. I think Redmon would have been the true post starter, and Bays and Clemons the SF and PF's respectively. I'm not a fan of Clemons in the post. I would rather see a legit Center and Clemons at PF, jmho. Boiler Up!

 

[mathboy]

Originally posted by PurdueTim14:

I think SV would have started Clemons, Bays and Redmon on the same front line. Clemons isn't a "true post player", let's agree with that premise, she never played Center until last season. Ideally Clemons to me is a PF or Center in a pinch if no one else can play the position. I think Redmon would have been the true post starter, and Bays and Clemons the SF and PF's respectively. I'm not a fan of Clemons in the post. I would rather see a legit Center and Clemons at PF, jmho. Boiler Up!

I agree. I think Redmon would have started at center. Last year, Bays seemed to prefer to come off the bench. No doubt she would have started this year. I could see a line of the three bigs as you suggest. I could also see 2 bigs and a group of 3 guards as a good combination. With the 2 big line up, I could see it as Redmon and Bays.