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Really discouraging qoute about the football program.....I'm pissed.

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From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......
 
From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......

Get over it he played football at Purdue and gets it. Purdue is never going to be able to compete with OSU, Michigan facilities but we need to catch up to Iowa, MSU etc
 
Get over it he played football at Purdue and gets it. Purdue is never going to be able to compete with OSU, Michigan facilities but we need to catch up to Iowa, MSU etc

I understand that, and I'm ok with it, but you don't say it! You don't say you're hoping to compete in the middle.
It would have been better to say " We aspire to move up the ranks on a national basis from both a facilities and program success standpoint. There's no reason why Purdue shouldn't be ranked in the Top 25 on an annual basis and competing for Big 10 and national championship with the opportunity presents itself."
 
I understand that, and I'm ok with it, but you don't say it! You don't say you're hoping to compete in the middle.
It would have been better to say " We aspire to move up the ranks on a national basis from both a facilities and program success standpoint. There's no reason why Purdue shouldn't be ranked in the Top 25 on an annual basis and competing for Big 10 and national championship with the opportunity presents itself."

I agree 110% but this quote was only referring to facilities. I do hear you prolly not the best use of words if he had to do it all over again
 
From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......


Aspiring to be average.
Yes, that would sum it up nicely.

I guess we all kind of knew it, in the back of our minds.

What a goal for the young people attending there.
 
From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......
Simply a bad choice of words I am assuming. You have to crawl before walking and walk before running. Gotta start somewhere.
 
I understand the practicality of his position and also that there may have been as it's been put "a poor choice of words."

However, "perception" means a lot, and in this day and age of media, quotes, soundbites, etc. can be taken out of context easily. Also, I would hope the BOT President wouldn't need a primer on how to best present ideas to the public to put it in the best light, or constantly having to backtrack on choice of words.

If a few of us are seeing that (or at least questioning the intention), what do you think is happening outside the Old Gold and Black Dome?

Back to another point, Purdue absolutely should be able to compete on the same level with Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan State, and Wisconsin, including facilities. But, it's going to take some time and some better decisions.......that's straight from Captain Obvious.

Ohio State and Michigan? no

JMHO
 
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From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......
I understand your disappointment, but even being in the middle is a vast improvement over current situation. I agree aspiring to be just OK is very disappointing for a Purdue anything. I would hope Mr Berghoff would learn to keep his words better chosen. Run to win, 2nd place is still 1st loser.
 
I understand your disappointment, but even being in the middle is a vast improvement over current situation. I agree aspiring to be just OK is very disappointing for a Purdue anything. I would hope Mr Berghoff would learn to keep his words better chosen. Run to win, 2nd place is still 1st loser.


The problem is, "how did we get into this situation to begin with".

When I was in school in the early 90's, the FB was terrible. Tiller comes along and has a ton of success, puts a bunch of guys in the NFL and Purdue actually has a reputation for developing QBs and getting them to the next level.
Even when Tiller quit recruiting and the ship started to sink, the Administration still had an oppty to get someone big and get back to where Tiller was in the good days, but instead, they go for this "compete in the middle" bull$hit and look where that got them?
Now, 18 years after Tiller brought us out of the basement, we're right back in it, mainly because the administration didn't want to pay to play and create a 'program' instead, hoping for lightening in a bottle (Brees/Tiller/Orton) and getting lucky with Hope. Didn't happen.

My point being, aspiring for the middle landed us at the bottom......(damn, that was well said, even if I say so myself).
 
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I'm not sure where that was published, but that's not the entire quote and using just that much, to me, takes what he said completely out of context.
 
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I understand your disappointment, but even being in the middle is a vast improvement over current situation. I agree aspiring to be just OK is very disappointing for a Purdue anything. I would hope Mr Berghoff would learn to keep his words better chosen. Run to win, 2nd place is still 1st loser.
 
Not that any of us aspire to 2nd place but, 2nd is better than 3rd, 3rd is better than 4th.......... That said we should never be content with anything less than 1st but, satisfied we tried our best if isn't 1st.
 
From Michael Berghoff, President of the Board of Trustees when talking about the new $60M football complex addition:

"We want to be competitive in the middle, and we're fortunate enough that we've got enough other reasons to become a student-athlete at Purdue that we don't have to have the facility carry the load."

I wonder what, if any sports this guy played growing up? Apparently, he doesn't have a clue about what impact facilities have on recruiting. This quote basically tells us all we need to know about the Purdue Administrations goals for the football program. He's essentially saying that they're happy with mediocrity.
What player or new head coach worth a damn with aspirations for national championships is going to want to enter into a situation where you know the administrations goals are different than the programs goals?
Very, very discouraging.......


It shows you what losers they are and what a drag on the university those people are. They need ousted from their positions. And fortunately the students and alumni control that no matter what these people say or do. If nobody goes to those football games these people are gone, period. That is the one card every single student at Purdue holds in their hand. Don't buy anything until these people get the message loud and clear. You either win, and make a valiant effort at such, or nobody is coming back. Image is everything. This is why Stanford, Notre Dame, Michigan, and now Alabama have benefited in a major way academically and financially, while Purdue's arrogant and foolish administration utterly ran the school into the ground by comparison by every yardstick. Purdue is dead last in the Big Ten on sports revenue and there is a reason for that. And it is not all that academically superior either ranking below average in the big ten in virtually all but very few fields, including business, of which it used to be far superior to the others. It is anathema these people who are leeching onto their cushy positions while at the expense of Purdue and the demise of its students. It is time they are run off the campus and that real leadership comes in with plans to optimize the university to its fullest potential, and absolutely nothing less should be tolerable by any stakeholder of Purdue.

Purdue can easily compete with Michigan and anyone else in the Big Ten. Purdue is right between Chicago and Indy. If the school did anything at all to give alumni any resemblance of a reason to watch the football games on Saturday, you better believe they'd be there. The fact is since Purdue's athletic director is worried about diving boards and softball practices, more so than football, which Michigan makes over 150 million per year on, as a result of his utter ignorance of football, Purdue has suffered incredible opportunity cost. Squandered opportunity while every other college in the Big Ten has made enormous strides at the same time we digress. IU, Northwestern, all of them continue to grow their fan bases, and continue to remain competitive. Purdue on the other hand, cannot even put together a solid example of a football field, which is amazing. Or for that matter win a single home Big Ten football game IN THREE SEASONS. When has that ever happened before to any other Big Ten school?

Academically Purdue is suffering also and is becoming a substitute destination. The business school for example dropping like a stone while Alabama is skyrocketing up the academic rankings with nothing more that people staying on campus, and increased applications, as a sole result of football success. Sports is complimentary to academics, which is why University of North Carolina handed out FAKE DEGREES to its athletes, but the university went up in the rankings. I got a little news flash for these people, this matters and it is about time we get people in there who understand that. Run a clean program, but stop this anti-competitive stance. Notre Dame, not many people would give a care to attend the school without that football team. Go ahead and test that theory. Remove Notre Dame football and traditions and see how fast that school falls. The fact that Purdue's athletic director has neglected the largest revenue generating sport in college sports (by far) is simply amazing. If anyone needs fired at Purdue it is this athletic director and those people under his administration, and other officials there who are not pulling their weight and are an anchor on this school's potential.
 
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It shows you what losers they are and what a drag on the university those people are. They need ousted from their positions. And fortunately the students and alumni control that no matter what these people say or do. If nobody goes to those football games these people are gone, period. That is the one card every single student at Purdue holds in their hand. Don't buy anything until these people get the message loud and clear. You either win, and make a valiant effort at such, or nobody is coming back. Image is everything. This is why Stanford, Notre Dame, Michigan, and now Alabama have benefited in a major way academically and financially, while Purdue's arrogant and foolish administration utterly ran the school into the ground by comparison by every yardstick. Purdue is dead last in the Big Ten on sports revenue and there is a reason for that. And it is not all that academically superior either ranking below average in the big ten in virtually all but very few fields, including business, of which it used to be far superior to the others. It is anathema these people who are leeching onto their cushy positions while at the expense of Purdue and the demise of its students. It is time they are run off the campus and that real leadership comes in with plans to optimize the university to its fullest potential, and absolutely nothing less should be tolerable by any stakeholder of Purdue.

Purdue can easily compete with Michigan and anyone else in the Big Ten. Purdue is right between Chigago and Indy. If the school did anything at all to give alumni any resemblance of a reason to watch the football games on Saturday, you better believe they'd be there. The fact is since Purdue's athletic director is worried about diving boards and softball practices, more so than football, which Michigan makes over 150 million per year on, as a result of his utter ignorance of football, Purdue has suffered incredible opportunity cost. Squandered opportunity while every other college in the Big Ten has made enormous strides at the same time we digress. IU, Northwestern, all of them continue to grow their fan bases, and continue to remain competitive. Purdue on the other hand, cannot even put together a solid example of a football field, which is amazing. Or for that matter win a single home Big Ten football game IN THREE SEASONS. When has that ever happened before to any other Big Ten school?

Academically Purdue is suffering also and is becoming a substitute destination. The business school for example dropping like a stone while Alabama is skyrocketing up the academic rankings with nothing more that people staying on campus, and increased applications, as a sole result of football success. Sports is complimentary to academics, which is why University of North Carolina handed out FAKE DEGREES to its athletes, but the university went up in the rankings. I got a little news flash for these people, this matters and it is about time we get people in there who understand that. Run a clean program, but stop this anti-competitive stance. Notre Dame, not many people would give a care to attend the school without that football team. Go ahead and test that theory. Remove Notre Dame football and traditions and see how fast that school falls. The fact that Purdue's athletic director has neglected the largest revenue generating sport in college sports (by far) is simply amazing. If anyone needs fired at Purdue it is this athletic director and those people under his administration, and other officials there who are not pulling their weight and are an anchor on this school's potential.

I totally agree. It has been a while since Purdue has had a great president, someone with a growth mindset. With the right leadership Purdue could soar. Morgan has a very fixed mindset and he will never believe he is the reason we are in this situation with football. If Daniels figures it out he'll start by replacing Burke.
 
I totally agree. It has been a while since Purdue has had a great president, someone with a growth mindset. With the right leadership Purdue could soar. Morgan has a very fixed mindset and he will never believe he is the reason we are in this situation with football. If Daniels figures it out he'll start by replacing Burke.
I also agree. The previous administration drove recruiting in all our major sports into the ground. No wonder Tiller quit in frustration. It's time we recognize the damage to the university our past president mangled to do. Both academically. And athletically. No excuse for it. The BOD should have stepped up sooner.
 
I also agree. The previous administration drove recruiting in all our major sports into the ground. No wonder Tiller quit in frustration. It's time we recognize the damage to the university our past president mangled to do. Both academically. And athletically. No excuse for it. The BOD should have stepped up sooner.

Tiller was only coach one year with Cordova at the helm before that ill conceived transition was put in place. There is no way she impacted recruited at that time.

If you want to say she impacted the successor, fine. But tillers recruiting suffered because of tiller getting old and tired of dealing with it as much as the president or Burke
 
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Tiller was only coach one year with Cordova at the helm before that ill conceived transition was put in place. There is no way she impacted recruited at that time.

If you want to say she impacted the successor, fine. But tillers recruiting suffered because of tiller getting old and tired of dealing with it as much as the president or Burke
Tiller quit in disgust at the constraints he was put under. He was bright enough to see where this was going under Cordova, and he was old enough not to put up with the bull sh-t.
 
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Tiller quit in disgust at the constraints he was put under. He was bright enough to see where this was going under Cordova, and he was old enough not to put up with the bull sh-t.

You base that comment on?

His recruiting declined well before she was hired. The loss of the use of the private plane in 2003 was a far bigger hit
 
You base that comment on?

His recruiting declined well before she was hired. The loss of the use of the private plane in 2003 was a far bigger hit
I agree with you about the plane. That was a major blow to all the sports. As for my perspective on Tiller, I base it on Tiller's snarky comments about retiring from Purdue. I don't know if I can find the direct quotes, so give me some slack on that. I just recall the impression that the parting was not as pleasant as it should have been for the success he brought the program.

I also agree that his recruiting seemed to be slipping, but not to the degree that occurred at the very end of his tenure and through Hope's. ...but hey, it's just my opinion.

:cool:
 
I agree 110% but this quote was only referring to facilities. I do hear you prolly not the best use of words if he had to do it all over again

Not that the Chair of the BOT ought to engage brain before he opens mouth ...

Where ya been NYC? Weren't you tellin' us all, 3 years back, how everything would be comin' up roses after DH1 was gone!
 
Not that the Chair of the BOT ought to engage brain before he opens mouth ...

Where ya been NYC? Weren't you tellin' us all, 3 years back, how everything would be comin' up roses after DH1 was gone!
I do remember a poster saying DH is the 2nd coming of Turner Gill.
 
I agree with you about the plane. That was a major blow to all the sports. As for my perspective on Tiller, I base it on Tiller's snarky comments about retiring from Purdue. I don't know if I can find the direct quotes, so give me some slack on that. I just recall the impression that the parting was not as pleasant as it should have been for the success he brought the program.

I also agree that his recruiting seemed to be slipping, but not to the degree that occurred at the very end of his tenure and through Hope's. ...but hey, it's just my opinion.

:cool:

Hope's got better the longer he was at Purdue.

Tillers recruiting had been mediocre since the massive staff turnover in 2005
 
Tiller quit in disgust at the constraints he was put under. He was bright enough to see where this was going under Cordova, and he was old enough not to put up with the bull sh-t.

Totally agree with you. He saw the writing on the wall.

Cordova was not even born in the US. Her initiatives were horribly one dimensional to strictly engineering. And obviously Purdue needs to remain top level at engineering, but someone who only wants that to be the only thing Purdue has is clearly not president material. How about expand the university into law or medical (if not medicine certainly a law school is attainable); or bare minimum make current fields at Purdue the equal to engineering as an initiative. Lets get these kind of people as president rather than people born in France.

We need people in there who want to make all schools at Purdue as good as engineering. And one who clearly understands football is the number 1 advertising mechanism the school has to prospective students. A constantly last place football team year after year after year after year after year after year clearly hurts the university image. More so, what is an empty football stadium on national TV for an advertising campaign? Imagine each week the other big ten schools (who are also academic) totally packed stadiums with good looking fans and ladies cheering. Then Purdue has an empty eye soar of completely depressed fans. It simply has to change. Purdue could be the apple of the big ten's eye with just small things. Purdue needs better hotels, better involvement in lafayette, better tailgates, and programs to draw in alumni involvement into this at a higher level. A program that compliments and rewards the fans rather than this very shallow narrow loser approach they are currently subjecting Purdue's stakeholders to. Purdue starts winning at a high level in football and alumni will unload their wallets to give to the university. I'd quadruple my giving. As of right now I give absolutely nothing until I am convinced this school intends to compete at the same level, or at least to strive towards Michigan level. When that happens I'll unload my wallet and give meaningful contributions. Because I am not giving my money to losers who have their hat out like a bum on the street. Cool uniforms, some attitude, some winning, some pride, now that's something I'll pay for. And that is how recruiting becomes easy. It all starts with the athletic director. We need a cool looking creative unique theme put into that football stadium that separates us from other schools. Our own thing style. Something that is cool and happening. That is how support grows. At least the university needs to show they care and are intent on making Purdue world class in all areas. Do it right or don't do it at all. That is my message to this loser administration.
 
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Totally agree with you. He saw the writing on the wall.

Cordova was not even born in the US. Her initiatives were horribly one dimensional to strictly engineering. And obviously Purdue needs to remain top level at engineering, but someone who only wants that to be the only thing Purdue has is clearly not president material. How about expand the university into law or medical (if not medicine certainly a law school is attainable); or bare minimum make current fields at Purdue the equal to engineering as an initiative. Lets get these kind of people as president rather than people born in France.

We need people in there who want to make all schools at Purdue as good as engineering. And one who clearly understands football is the number 1 advertising mechanism the school has to prospective students. A constantly last place football team year after year after year after year after year after year clearly hurts the university image. More so, what is an empty football stadium on national TV for an advertising campaign? Imagine each week the other big ten schools (who are also academic) totally packed stadiums with good looking fans and ladies cheering. Then Purdue has an empty eye soar of completely depressed fans. It simply has to change. Purdue could be the apple of the big ten's eye with just small things. Purdue needs better hotels, better involvement in lafayette, better tailgates, and programs to draw in alumni involvement into this at a higher level. A program that compliments and rewards the fans rather than this very shallow narrow loser approach they are currently subjecting Purdue's stakeholders to. Purdue starts winning at a high level in football and alumni will unload their wallets to give to the university. I'd quadruple my giving. As of right now I give absolutely nothing until I am convinced this school intends to compete at the same level, or at least to strive towards Michigan level. When that happens I'll unload my wallet and give meaningful contributions. Because I am not giving my money to losers who have their hat out like a bum on the street. Cool uniforms, some attitude, some winning, some pride, now that's something I'll pay for. And that is how recruiting becomes easy. It all starts with the athletic director. We need a cool looking creative unique theme put into that football stadium that separates us from other schools. Our own thing style. Something that is cool and happening. That is how support grows. At least the university needs to show they care and are intent on making Purdue world class in all areas. Do it right or don't do it at all. That is my message to this loser administration.
I really think you are misguided if you think that IU is going to allow Purdue to develop a medical or Law school as competition for them.
 
It shows you what losers they are and what a drag on the university those people are. They need ousted from their positions. And fortunately the students and alumni control that no matter what these people say or do. If nobody goes to those football games these people are gone, period. That is the one card every single student at Purdue holds in their hand. Don't buy anything until these people get the message loud and clear. You either win, and make a valiant effort at such, or nobody is coming back. Image is everything. This is why Stanford, Notre Dame, Michigan, and now Alabama have benefited in a major way academically and financially, while Purdue's arrogant and foolish administration utterly ran the school into the ground by comparison by every yardstick. Purdue is dead last in the Big Ten on sports revenue and there is a reason for that. And it is not all that academically superior either ranking below average in the big ten in virtually all but very few fields, including business, of which it used to be far superior to the others. It is anathema these people who are leeching onto their cushy positions while at the expense of Purdue and the demise of its students. It is time they are run off the campus and that real leadership comes in with plans to optimize the university to its fullest potential, and absolutely nothing less should be tolerable by any stakeholder of Purdue.

Purdue can easily compete with Michigan and anyone else in the Big Ten. Purdue is right between Chicago and Indy. If the school did anything at all to give alumni any resemblance of a reason to watch the football games on Saturday, you better believe they'd be there. The fact is since Purdue's athletic director is worried about diving boards and softball practices, more so than football, which Michigan makes over 150 million per year on, as a result of his utter ignorance of football, Purdue has suffered incredible opportunity cost. Squandered opportunity while every other college in the Big Ten has made enormous strides at the same time we digress. IU, Northwestern, all of them continue to grow their fan bases, and continue to remain competitive. Purdue on the other hand, cannot even put together a solid example of a football field, which is amazing. Or for that matter win a single home Big Ten football game IN THREE SEASONS. When has that ever happened before to any other Big Ten school?

Academically Purdue is suffering also and is becoming a substitute destination. The business school for example dropping like a stone while Alabama is skyrocketing up the academic rankings with nothing more that people staying on campus, and increased applications, as a sole result of football success. Sports is complimentary to academics, which is why University of North Carolina handed out FAKE DEGREES to its athletes, but the university went up in the rankings. I got a little news flash for these people, this matters and it is about time we get people in there who understand that. Run a clean program, but stop this anti-competitive stance. Notre Dame, not many people would give a care to attend the school without that football team. Go ahead and test that theory. Remove Notre Dame football and traditions and see how fast that school falls. The fact that Purdue's athletic director has neglected the largest revenue generating sport in college sports (by far) is simply amazing. If anyone needs fired at Purdue it is this athletic director and those people under his administration, and other officials there who are not pulling their weight and are an anchor on this school's potential.

Great thing an employer will say: Oh you went to Purdue where they strive for mediocrity, sorry not going to hire you I want a winner and a go getter!
 
Great thing an employer will say: Oh you went to Purdue where they strive for mediocrity, sorry not going to hire you I want a winner and a go getter!

There's not a single negative to having a solid football program, not one. I'm all for dipping into the endowment fund to help athletics because like or not, the athletics programs are usually the face of the university to the general public.
Solid athletics drives applications, it creates more interest from alumni and is correlated with the level of alumni financial support.
 
There's not a single negative to having a solid football program, not one. I'm all for dipping into the endowment fund to help athletics because like or not, the athletics programs are usually the face of the university to the general public.
Solid athletics drives applications, it creates more interest from alumni and is correlated with the level of alumni financial support.

I agree with you regarding the PR from a good football program. However, it is not possible, or legal, to dip into the endowment fund. Endowments have specific contractual guidelines. You cannot take funds from an endowment earmarked for student scholarships and spend it on football. You have to raise the funds specifically for football.
 
I agree with you regarding the PR from a good football program. However, it is not possible, or legal, to dip into the endowment fund. Endowments have specific contractual guidelines. You cannot take funds from an endowment earmarked for student scholarships and spend it on football. You have to raise the funds specifically for football.

As '75 says, you can't touch the endowment for football -- and we don't need to -- football will be successful if Purdue admin just stops with over taxing the the Athletic Dept. The "overhead" tax has "temporarily" been reduced to $2M per year but that's still to much -- it was $600K prior to Cordova. One could argue the Athletic Dept should pay for what it uses -- okay fine, but then don't expect football and basketball to cover the cost of all the non-revenue sports, which they are currently required to do. When Purdue brags its Athletic Dept is"self-sufficient," it means football and basketball are required to subsidize non-revenue sports -- plus pay a still inflated overhead charge to the university.

This is why the BOT needs to go -- they just flat lie -- they say they're supportive of football but then they went along with Cordova on her scheme to gut football and basketball. Painter called 'em on it -- but there was no one to save football until it was an obvious dumpster fire to all involved. It never would have come to this had the BOT done its job!
 
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