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Ray Epps said he 'orchestrated' Jan. 6

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But still no arrest despite the video evidence.

How can that be explained, Police State fans? @HoosierfanJM @BuilderBob6

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Ray Epps Told Nephew He ‘Orchestrated’ January 6

Ray Epps, a mysterious January 6 figure some theorized to be a federal informant, told his nephew that he “orchestrated” what transpired that day in 2021. The bombastic assertion was revealed in a lightly redacted transcript released Thursday by the House January 6 Committee. Claiming he made a...
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But still no arrest despite the video evidence.

How can that be explained, Police State fans? @HoosierfanJM @BuilderBob6

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Ray Epps Told Nephew He ‘Orchestrated’ January 6

Ray Epps, a mysterious January 6 figure some theorized to be a federal informant, told his nephew that he “orchestrated” what transpired that day in 2021. The bombastic assertion was revealed in a lightly redacted transcript released Thursday by the House January 6 Committee. Claiming he made a...
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Oooh goody; @Riveting- is playing Jeopardy again. Answering in the form of a question.

Please drop your middle school third period class for a minute and speak in a statement of what you believe, instead of playing "RivetJeopardy."
 
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Oooh goody; @Riveting- is playing Jeopardy again. Answering in the form of a question.

Please drop your middle school third period class for a minute and speak in a statement of what you believe, instead of playing "RivetJeopardy."
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Can you explain this? Why is he getting off scott free?

What about the texts from Pelosi's office cutting security for Jan 6 and telling the sergeant in arms to act surprised?
 
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Oooh goody; @Riveting- is playing Jeopardy again. Answering in the form of a question.

Please drop your middle school third period class for a minute and speak in a statement of what you believe, instead of playing "RivetJeopardy."
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You know I have said I believe the FBI is sitting on 15,000 hours of Jan. 6 video and who knows what else because they are engaged in a coverup. I fully expect more evidence to come forward in the coming months from whistleblowers and others now that corrupt dem hacks are not in charge of the House.

Same reason they leaked in 2021 they could find no evidence of a "conspiracy", instead of remaining silent like they usually do.

Any of your beloved fictional FBI shows deal with FBI corruption at the highest levels?
 
Ray Epps Full 60 Minutes Interview

So now it all comes out. Cable news and internet conspiracies take advantage of the extremely naïve in an effort to convince them to pin part of the blame for January 6th, 2021 on a retired Marine that never went into the Capitol and never committed violence. He basically echoed exactly what Trump said, loudly, and got cold feet when people started attacking the police.

The "evidence" against him? Well, basically there is none, other than he was a fired up Trump acolyte who looked liked a movie version of a big, strong Fed.

Now? The guy had to sell his farm and now lives in an RV in an undisclosed location to avoid the conspiracy theory whacko death threats, as now promoted by Fox News cable hosts, actual US Congress members, and of course Trump himself. As one of the interviewees in this piece says, the entirety of the theories about this guy are ad hoc, which means evidence-free and completely speculative. Once a deeper dive is taken, there is? Nothing. Nothing at all.

What a shit show. Here is the actual guy in an extensive interview. I don't really blame the incredibly naïve that buy into this horror show-level nonsense; but I do find it disgusting that people with a public forum that absolutely know it's bullshit promote it for their own personal enrichment.
 
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Ray Epps Full 60 Minutes Interview

So now it all comes out. Cable news and internet conspiracies take advantage of the extremely naïve in an effort to convince them to pin part of the blame for January 6th, 2021 on a retired Marine that never went into the Capitol and never committed violence. He basically echoed exactly what Trump said, loudly, and got cold feet when people started attacking the police.

The "evidence" against him? Well, basically there is none, other than he was a fired up Trump acolyte who looked liked a movie version of a big, strong Fed.

Now? The guy had to sell his farm and now lives in an RV in an undisclosed location to avoid the conspiracy theory whacko death threats, as now promoted by Fox News cable hosts, actual US Congress members, and of course Trump himself. As one of the interviewees in this piece says, the entirety of the theories about this guy are ad hoc, which means evidence-free and completely speculative. Once a deeper dive is taken, there is? Nothing. Nothing at all.

What a shit show. Here is the actual guy in an extensive interview. I don't really blame the incredibly naïve that buy into this horror show-level nonsense; but I do find it disgusting that people with a public forum that absolutely know it's bullshit promote it for their own personal enrichment.
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Never went to the Capitol? There's video evidence of him there. Even well after he had text someone that he already left...

Edit: I just finished watching the entire video. The entire defense by 60 minutes here is literally, "well he said he didn't do it, so he must not have." They are literally just taking his word for most of it. There's far more evidence to the contrary.
 
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Never went to the Capitol? There's video evidence of him there. Even well after he had text someone that he already left...
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My word choice and yours are different; sorry if I wasn't clear. I said "never went into the Capitol" not "never went to the Capitol" - meaning he never went inside the building.

But the takeaway is that people with a political and monetary interests in blame-shifting for the insurrection attempt knowingly and aggressively pushed a false narrative about this guy. Masses of the naïve actually bought it, thereby all but ruining the guy's life.
 
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My word choice and yours are different; sorry if I wasn't clear. I said "never went into the Capitol" not "never went to the Capitol" - meaning he never went inside the building.
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Nobody has ever claimed he went into the building.
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But the takeaway is that people with a political and monetary interests in blame-shifting for the insurrection attempt knowingly and aggressively pushed a false narrative about this guy. Masses of the naïve actually bought it, thereby all but ruining the guy's life.
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No, that's totally incorrect. People are wondering why someone like Epps who has been shown in multiple videos to be inciting people to go into the Capitol, was also on video at the front line when the initial breach happened (which 60 minutes admitted happened while Trump was still speaking) wasn't arrested and tried just like everyone else. He did far more to make Jan 6 happen than what the Shaman ever did. Why the double standard?

As for Trump, you continue to ignore that he said to remain peaceful. Yes, people believed the election was stolen because of Trump, but that doesn't mean Trump caused the violence. Violence occurred because of people like Epps. It takes boots on the ground.
 
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Nobody has ever claimed he went into the building.

No, that's totally incorrect. People are wondering why someone like Epps who has been shown in multiple videos to be inciting people to go into the Capitol, was also on video at the front line when the initial breach happened (which 60 minutes admitted happened while Trump was still speaking) wasn't arrested and tried just like everyone else. He did far more to make Jan 6 happen than what the Shaman ever did. Why the double standard?

As for Trump, you continue to ignore that he said to remain peaceful. Yes, people believed the election was stolen because of Trump, but that doesn't mean Trump caused the violence. Violence occurred because of people like Epps. It takes boots on the ground.
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A different question and a valid point. While this guy did not go inside the building and did not personally act violently, for me he clearly incited others who did. His quotes from that day or so were shown during the linked interview of him.

So a reasonable question should be; does someone who was at the rally who said things within earshot of hundreds of people like:
  • "They’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now.”
  • "We won the Presidential Election, by a lot. Fight for it. Don’t let them take it away!”
  • "We’re going to walk down to the Capitol... you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
  • “The Justice Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest scam in our nation’s history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up.”
Be criminally charged for incitement?
 
As for one of the primary culprits who profited off of the Epps conspiracy theory, the Dominion conspiracy, the Smartmatic conspiracy theory, and other conspiracy theories along those lines?

Fox just axed Tucker Carlson. He has become incredibly embarrassing for them, and worse, incredibly expensive to them. And that's before the fallout from so many more lawsuits still to come that they're trying to deal with.

Seems as though they are preemptively trying to prevent the future successful lawsuits that he no doubt will cause in the next election cycle.
 
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As for one of the primary culprits who profited off of the Epps conspiracy theory, the Dominion conspiracy, the Smartmatic conspiracy theory, and other conspiracy theories along those lines?

Fox just axed Tucker Carlson. He has become incredibly embarrassing for them, and worse, incredibly expensive to them. And that's before the fallout from so many more lawsuits still to come that they're trying to deal with.

Seems as though they are preemptively trying to prevent the future successful lawsuits that he no doubt will cause in the next election cycle.
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Hope they bring back Bill O'Reilly, don't you?
 
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So a reasonable question should be; does someone who was at the rally who said things within earshot of hundreds of people like:
  • "They’re not taking this White House — we’re going to fight like hell, I’ll tell you right now.”
  • "We won the Presidential Election, by a lot. Fight for it. Don’t let them take it away!”
  • "We’re going to walk down to the Capitol... you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”
  • “The Justice Department and the FBI have done nothing about the 2020 Presidential Election Voter Fraud, the biggest scam in our nation’s history, despite overwhelming evidence. They should be ashamed. History will remember. Never give up.”
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No he shouldn't. He never said to go into the Capitol. He never said to act violently. In fact he specifically said to protest peacefully. Something that is our Constitutional right.
 
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As for one of the primary culprits who profited off of the Epps conspiracy theory, the Dominion conspiracy, the Smartmatic conspiracy theory, and other conspiracy theories along those lines?

Fox just axed Tucker Carlson. He has become incredibly embarrassing for them, and worse, incredibly expensive to them. And that's before the fallout from so many more lawsuits still to come that they're trying to deal with.

Seems as though they are preemptively trying to prevent the future successful lawsuits that he no doubt will cause in the next election cycle.
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By "successful" lawsuit, do you mean the one by the private equity firm that was just settled for less than half before going to court?
 
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Fox just axed Tucker Carlson. He has become incredibly embarrassing for them, and worse, incredibly expensive to them. And that's before the fallout from so many more lawsuits still to come that they're trying to deal with.

Seems as though they are preemptively trying to prevent the future successful lawsuits that he no doubt will cause in the next election cycle.
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Interesting paragraph from the WSJ website on the Carlson matter:

"In the days that followed the 2020 presidential election, Mr. Carlson disputed the false claims made by former Donald Trump associate Sidney Powell about the election being rigged against Mr. Trump on a number of occasions. “If you don’t have conclusive evidence of fraud at that scale, it’s a cruel and reckless thing to keep saying,” Mr. Carlson told Ms. Powell on Nov. 17, 2020."

Trying to recall if any regime news people said something like that to Schiff when he was saying he had evidence of Russian collusion.
 
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By "successful" lawsuit, do you mean the one by the private equity firm that was just settled for less than half before going to court?
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Yes. The first $3/4 of a billion with no right to appeal.

That one.

Good lord. You’re even trying to defend that as a “win?”
That’s pretty funny.
 
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Yes. The first $3/4 of a billion with no right to appeal.

That one.

Good lord. You’re even trying to defend that as a “win?”
That’s pretty funny.
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I was asking you how you define it when someone sues for X and then settles for less than half X without going to trial.

I am still waiting for you to explain how there is 'basically' no evidence re Epps being an instigator and/or informant, if that is what you were struggling to say.

Are you ducking it?
 
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That sounds like a very normal outcome for a huge claim. I implore you to read a book.
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Just one book like you? I would rather not know which book it is you have read.

The outcome might sound normal to you, a highly abnormal poster, but I was asking H2, whose hysteria was causing him to bloviate about evidence and other topics he seems to be very confused about. Now it looks like he has gone into hiding with bni.
 
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Just one book like you? I would rather not know which book it is you have read.

The outcome might sound normal to you, a highly abnormal poster, but I was asking H2, whose hysteria was causing him to bloviate about evidence and other topics he seems to be very confused about. Now it looks like he has gone into hiding with bni.
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You used a lot of words to say "I don't know what a civil settlement is"
 
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I was asking you how you define it when someone sues for X and then settles for less than half X without going to trial.

I am still waiting for you to explain how there is 'basically' no evidence re Epps being an instigator and/or informant, if that is what you were struggling to say.

Are you ducking it?
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Instigator? For sure.

Informant? ZERO evidence and a public statement by the USG that he was not. Extensive research on the guy and ZERO evidence that he was anything other than another naïve Trump acolyte. He bragged that he helped to organize? That's what someone who is proud of their Trump acolyte status and hasn't gotten caught yet does. The texts were available for that and there are ZERO organizational texts with anyone? Proud Boys, Oath Keepers? Nope. None.

Settling for 1/2? Hahaha. That would be relevant if the suit was for $1,000 and they settled for $500. Instead, this suit was a pie in the sky ask for $1.6 billion, and "less than half" was $787 million dollars. That settlement means that Fox cannot appeal to tie up the payments in court or attempt to get damages reduced.

I mean, good lord, is there nothing that you won't attempt to rationalize? When you cannot make any counter without some speculative theory that's a sure sign there is nothing to it.
 
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Instigator? For sure.

Informant? ZERO evidence and a public statement by the USG that he was not. Extensive research on the guy and ZERO evidence that he was anything other than another naïve Trump acolyte. He bragged that he helped to organize? That's what someone who is proud of their Trump acolyte status and hasn't gotten caught yet does. The texts were available for that and there are ZERO organizational texts with anyone? Proud Boys, Oath Keepers? Nope. None.

Settling for 1/2? Hahaha. That would be relevant if the suit was for $1,000 and they settled for $500. Instead, this suit was a pie in the sky ask for $1.6 billion, and "less than half" was $787 million dollars. That settlement means that Fox cannot appeal to tie up the payments in court or attempt to get damages reduced.

I mean, good lord, is there nothing that you won't attempt to rationalize? When you cannot make any counter without some speculative theory that's a sure sign there is nothing to it.
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I based my 'theory' on an article by the former AG, who laid out why Dominion had a weak case. In addition, another article in WSJ about the negotiator said the judge told Dominion they were not likely to get close to the award they were seeking.

I posted each and you did not take issue with either.
 
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I based my 'theory' on an article by the former AG, who laid out why Dominion had a weak case. In addition, another article in WSJ about the negotiator said the judge told Dominion they were not likely to get close to the award they were seeking.

I posted each and you did not take issue with either.
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And yet you downplay the amount of the settlement? Of course they weren't likely to get the whole $1.6 billion. That's one of the reasons why '$787 million with no appeals' is a massive settlement. And yes, Barr said that was his opinion. So apparently, his opinion was really really wrong.
 
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And yet you downplay the amount of the settlement? Of course they weren't likely to get the whole $1.6 billion. That's one of the reasons why '$787 million with no appeals' is a massive settlement. And yes, Barr said that was his opinion. So apparently, his opinion was really really wrong.
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Why cop out and just saying "apparently". I posted a link and summarized his points.

Why not explain why you think it was really wrong.
 
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Why cop out and just saying "apparently". I posted a link and summarized his points.

Why not explain why you think it was really wrong.
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You are right; not "apparently." Barr was really wrong.

Because the suit settlement cost them $787 million, and the clearing out of conspiracy theory hosts to prevent it from happening in the future is costing them up near a billion in stock valuation.
 
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You are right; not "apparently." Barr was really wrong.

Because the suit settlement cost them $787 million, and the clearing out of conspiracy theory hosts to prevent it from happening in the future is costing them up near a billion in stock valuation.
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So apparently you cannot explain why Barr was really wrong, other than because 'you say so.'

One host, not hosts, has been 'cleared out', but you so far all you have done is provide evidence that it wasn't because he cost Fox many millions.
 
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