Purdue/Vermont overview

[nagemj02]

When: Thursday, March 16th

Where: BMO Harris Bradley Center, Milwaukee, WI

Tip-Off: 7:27 (ET)

TV: truTV


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (12th season)

Vermont: John Becker (6th season)



Purdue's Team Stats: http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2016-2017/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

Vermont's Team Stats: http://uvmathletics.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016



Vermont Team Photo: http://uvmathletics.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 185 (Fr.): averaging 10.4 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 39% FG's (120-309), 71% FT's (46-65), 36% 3PT's (47-132), and 23.6 MPG in 32 GP this season

2/1 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 175 (Jr.): averaging 7.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 APG, 45% FG's (77-173), 73% FT's (29-40), 40% 3PT's (48-121), and 28.4 MPG in 32 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 (Jr.): averaging 9.9 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 3.6 APG, 48% FG's (109-229), 84% FT's (32-38), 47% 3PT's (66-142), and 31.6 MPG in 32 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vincent "Vince" Edwards 6'8 215 (Jr.): averaging 12.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 3.2 APG, 47% FG's (138-291), 85% FT's (71-84), 43% 3PT's (43-100), and 28.4 MPG in 32 GP this season

5/4 #50 Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan 6'9 245 (So.): averaging 18.5 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 2.9 APG, 3.3 TPG, 2.9 FPG, 53% FG's (203-380), 79% FT's (155-196), 43% 3PT's (31-72), and 32.3 MPG in 32 GP this season


Vermont

1 #2 Trae Bell-Haynes 6'1 170 (Jr.): averaging 11.1 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 3.8 APG, 49% FG's (133-274), 73% FT's (94-129), 34% 3PT's (18-53), and 27.4 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #20 Ernie Duncan 6'3 180 (RS So.): averaging 8.6 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 40% FG's (92-230), 83% FT's (29-35), 40% 3PT's (72-178), and 27.8 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/2 #34 Kurt Steidl 6'6 185 (Sr.): averaging 8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 41% FG's (86-208), 83% FT's (43-52), 39% 3PT's (57-145), and 29.2 MPG in 34 GP this season

4/3 #35 Payton Henson 6'7 215 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Tulane): averaging 11.4 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 52% FG's (125-239), 81% FT's (61-75), 32% 3PT's (20-63), and 26.3 MPG in 29 GP this season

4/5 #3 Anthony Lamb 6'6 220 (Fr.): averaging 12.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.1 TPG, 2.8 FPG, 51% FG's (163-322), 74% FT's (78-105), 40% 3PT's (23-57), and 22.2 MPG in 34 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #55 Michael "Spike" Albrecht 5'11 180 (RS Sr.) (graduate transfer from Michigan): averaging 1.8 PPG, 28% FG's (11-40), 95% FT's (18-19), 24% 3PT's (6-25), and 12.7 MPG in 25 GP this season

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 (So.): averaging 5.6 PPG, 42% FG's (53-125), 82% FT's (9-11), 42% 3PT's (42-101), and 21.4 MPG in 28 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 (Jr.): averaging 12.8 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.3 TPG, 59% FG's (145-246), 71% FT's (118-166), no 3PT's attempted, and 19.8 MPG in 32 GP this season


Vermont

1/2 #24 Dre Wills 6'1 180 (Sr.): averaging 6.5 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 61% FG's (92-150), 46% FT's (37-81), 0% 3PT's (0-4), and 19.3 MPG in 34 GP this season

2/1 #14 Cam Ward 6'2 165 (Jr.) (left-handed shooter): averaging 4 PPG, 36% FG's (44-124), 63% FT's (27-43), 32% 3PT's (22-69), and 14.9 MPG in 34 GP this season

5/4 #12 Darren Payen 6'8 225 (RS Sr.) (left-handed shooter): averaging 6.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 71% FG's (92-129), 71% FT's (40-56), no 3PT's attempted, and 12 MPG in 33 GP this season

5/4 #25 Drew Urquhart 6'9 220 (Jr.): averaging 4.6 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 59% FG's (62-106), 64% FT's (28-44), no 3PT's attempted, and 13.8 MPG in 33 GP this season



Who Might Play:

Purdue

no one else likely to play


Vermont

3/4 #1 Josh Hearlihy 6'7 210 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Tulane): averaging 2 PPG, 43% FG's (19-44), 56% FT's (9-16), 32% 3PT's (6-19), and 10 MPG in 27 GP this season

4/5 #44 Nate Rohrer 6'7 225 (Jr.): averaging 1.2 PPG, 46% FG's (6-13), 80% FT's (4-5), no 3PT's attempted, and 8.5 MPG in 13 GP this season

 

[nagemj02]

What kind of mindset is the best approach for the Boilers going into Thursday's game?

 

[Purdue0034]

Play with a take no prisoners approach... Watch a bunch of film from last year's game and win by 25 and get your shooting confidence back and ready for the next game!

 

[FLAG HUNTER]

forget about everything but this game, play your best then do the same for next game, and don't worry just do it.

 

[FirstDownB]

The question I keep coming back to is how conservative do we play a team like Vermont in a win-or-go-home setting? You know they are going to come out loose and play with nothing to lose. They will take calculated risks out of necessity. Do we do the same or play conservatively? Do we play like we are afraid to lose and milk the clock the entire game or do we play looking to win and pounce on any advantage?

From the film I have seen of Vermont they go after offensive rebounds. I don't see that strategy changing as they will need to take some calculated risks to gain an advantage. And when they look at Purdue film they will not see Purdue punishing teams by quickly pushing the ball up court on a long rebound. I think that would be huge if we could do that a couple of times early in the game (CE, I'm looking at you!). That is exactly what other Top 4 seed teams would do to a team like Vermont, who is athletically disadvantaged. Force them to sag back after they shoot it and limit them to one shot per possession. We may not have great athletes for a high major, but we do in comparison to Vermont.

 

[JerseyBoiler]

Drive, dish, dunk......rinse, repeat! We should come out with a fury and crush them by 30+.

 

[ChoiceBeef]

Drive, dish, dunk......rinse, repeat! We should come out with a fury and crush them by 30+.

Isn't this from Dodge Ball?!?! (jk)

Seriously though - this is what we need to do

 

[tjreese]

The question I keep coming back to is how conservative do we play a team like Vermont in a win-or-go-home setting? You know they are going to come out loose and play with nothing to lose. They will take calculated risks out of necessity. Do we do the same or play conservatively? Do we play like we are afraid to lose and milk the clock the entire game or do we play looking to win and pounce on any advantage?

From the film I have seen of Vermont they go after offensive rebounds. I don't see that strategy changing as they will need to take some calculated risks to gain an advantage. And when they look at Purdue film they will not see Purdue punishing teams by quickly pushing the ball up court on a long rebound. I think that would be huge if we could do that a couple of times early in the game (CE, I'm looking at you!). That is exactly what other Top 4 seed teams would do to a team like Vermont, who is athletically disadvantaged. Force them to sag back after they shoot it and limit them to one shot per possession. We may not have great athletes for a high major, but we do in comparison to Vermont.

Purdue will have more length and most likely better athleticism at some spots. That is why any data on what Vermont does and Purdue does should only be taken as tendencies of the teams based upon previous opponents with effectiveness of those tendencies possibly tempered. Purdue has pushed the ball up a few games and playing too loose for the big guys early in games such as Nebraska. I do agree though that Purdue would like more possessions generally. Not seeing Vermont, I'm guessing they probably have about as athletic guards as Purdue. Vince will be quicker and more versatile than most. Biggie much more effective inside that what Vermont typically sees...and Haas not down will get flooded and doubled quickly. Like any team though Purdue's strength is inside and if running too much Purdue moves away from its strength. Like you and against other teams I expect Purdue to push the ball...just not to settle too quickly on a 3 ball.

In Vermont's background was a strong inside game by Purdue and a flury of 3s by Purdue. Do they consider it an anomaly...or a reality...

 

[FirstDownB]

Purdue will have more length and most likely better athleticism at some spots. That is why any data on what Vermont does and Purdue does should only be taken as tendencies of the teams based upon previous opponents with effectiveness of those tendencies possibly tempered. Purdue has pushed the ball up a few games and playing too loose for the big guys early in games such as Nebraska. I do agree though that Purdue would like more possessions generally. Not seeing Vermont, I'm guessing they probably have about as athletic guards as Purdue. Vince will be quicker and more versatile than most. Biggie much more effective inside that what Vermont typically sees...and Haas not down will get flooded and doubled quickly. Like any team though Purdue's strength is inside and if running too much Purdue moves away from its strength. Like you and against other teams I expect Purdue to push the ball...just not to settle too quickly on a 3 ball.

In Vermont's background was a strong inside game by Purdue and a flury of 3s by Purdue. Do they consider it an anomaly...or a reality...

I am thinking, for example, of how CE took that rebound near the end of regulation on Friday against what seemed like the entire state of Michigan and went coast to coast for a bucket. When everyone else seemed like they were getting tentative and tight (Dakota missing layup, PJ missing free throw) he grabbed ahold of the bat and swung away.

TJ, you have much more basketball x's and o's knowledge than me. I do understand that this Purdue team is built to play in the half court. But in my view of things, it is plays like the one Carsen made in that Michigan game that can can punish a team for taking Purdue's lack of transition game for granted or "keep them honest" so to speak. I think if we find a couple transition opportunities, whether off a long rebound or steal, early in a game it can alter their strategy a bit and make them respect our overall game.

 

[tjreese]

I am thinking, for example, of how CE took that rebound near the end of regulation on Friday against what seemed like the entire state of Michigan and went coast to coast for a bucket. When everyone else seemed like they were getting tentative and tight (Dakota missing layup, PJ missing free throw) he grabbed ahold of the bat and swung away.

TJ, you have much more basketball x's and o's knowledge than me. I do understand that this Purdue team is built to play in the half court. But in my view of things, it is plays like the one Carsen made in that Michigan game that can can punish a team for taking Purdue's lack of transition game for granted or "keep them honest" so to speak. I think if we find a couple transition opportunities, whether off a long rebound or steal, early in a game it can alter their strategy a bit and make them respect our overall game.

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I would agree with all that except I don't want to get into X and O knowledge as I always prefer substantive going back and forth for positions and let the typing do the talking in specifics. What I don't want to happen is to push it (I would like to push it every time to put offensive pressure) and then take a quick three without looking inside. Carsen has speed and damn near every time he has an advantage at half court we would want him to use his advantage. I just don't want this team to push it and not get an easy one and then settle for a quick three. Purdue AND every team wants to steal points however they can. Perhaps I have mislead? In another thread I stated that when two "GOOD" teams play it is the half court that decides the game...the best half court O and D becasue good teams aren't bothered by a press.

 

[nagemj02]

forget about everything but this game, play your best then do the same for next game, and don't worry just do it.

This is close to how I would approach it with this team except I would tell them to enjoy it and have fun battling Vermont.

 

[*4purdue*]

When: Thursday, March 16th

Where: BMO Harris Bradley Center, Milwaukee, WI

Tip-Off: 7:27 (ET)

TV: truTV


Head Coaches:

Purdue: Matt Painter (12th season)

Vermont: John Becker (6th season)



Purdue's Team Stats: http://www.purduesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2016-2017/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

Vermont's Team Stats: http://uvmathletics.com/cumestats.aspx?path=mbball&year=2016



Projected Starters:

Purdue

1/2 #3 Carsen Edwards 6'0 185 (Fr.): averaging 10.4 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 39% FG's (120-309), 71% FT's (46-65), 36% 3PT's (47-132), and 23.6 MPG in 32 GP this season

2/1 #11 P.J. Thompson 5'10 175 (Jr.): averaging 7.2 PPG, 2.1 RPG, 1 SPG, 3 APG, 45% FG's (77-173), 73% FT's (29-40), 40% 3PT's (48-121), and 28.4 MPG in 32 GP this season

2 #31 Dakota Mathias 6'4 195 (Jr.): averaging 9.9 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 3.6 APG, 48% FG's (109-229), 84% FT's (32-38), 47% 3PT's (66-142), and 31.6 MPG in 32 GP this season

3/4 #12 Vincent "Vince" Edwards 6'8 215 (Jr.): averaging 12.2 PPG, 4.8 RPG, 3.2 APG, 47% FG's (138-291), 85% FT's (71-84), 43% 3PT's (43-100), and 28.4 MPG in 32 GP this season

5/4 #50 Caleb "Biggie" Swanigan 6'9 245 (So.): averaging 18.5 PPG, 12.6 RPG, 2.9 APG, 3.3 TPG, 2.9 FPG, 53% FG's (203-380), 79% FT's (155-196), 43% 3PT's (31-72), and 32.3 MPG in 32 GP this season


Vermont

1 #2 Trae Bell-Haynes 6'1 170 (Jr.): averaging 11.1 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 1.1 SPG, 3.8 APG, 49% FG's (133-274), 73% FT's (94-129), 34% 3PT's (18-53), and 27.4 MPG in 34 GP this season

2 #20 Ernie Duncan 6'3 180 (RS So.): averaging 8.6 PPG, 2.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 40% FG's (92-230), 83% FT's (29-35), 40% 3PT's (72-178), and 27.8 MPG in 33 GP this season

3/2 #34 Kurt Steidl 6'6 185 (Sr.): averaging 8 PPG, 4.4 RPG, 41% FG's (86-208), 83% FT's (43-52), 39% 3PT's (57-145), and 29.2 MPG in 34 GP this season

4/3 #35 Payton Henson 6'7 215 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Tulane): averaging 11.4 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 52% FG's (125-239), 81% FT's (61-75), 32% 3PT's (20-63), and 26.3 MPG in 29 GP this season

4/5 #3 Anthony Lamb 6'6 220 (Fr.): averaging 12.6 PPG, 5.4 RPG, 1.2 BPG, 2.1 TPG, 2.8 FPG, 51% FG's (163-322), 74% FT's (78-105), 40% 3PT's (23-57), and 22.2 MPG in 34 GP this season



Projected Reinforcements:

Purdue

1 #55 Michael "Spike" Albrecht 5'11 180 (RS Sr.) (graduate transfer from Michigan): averaging 1.8 PPG, 28% FG's (11-40), 95% FT's (18-19), 24% 3PT's (6-25), and 12.7 MPG in 25 GP this season

2 #14 Ryan Cline 6'5 190 (So.): averaging 5.6 PPG, 42% FG's (53-125), 82% FT's (9-11), 42% 3PT's (42-101), and 21.4 MPG in 28 GP this season

5 #44 Isaac Haas 7'2 280 (Jr.): averaging 12.8 PPG, 5.1 RPG, 2.3 TPG, 59% FG's (145-246), 71% FT's (118-166), no 3PT's attempted, and 19.8 MPG in 32 GP this season


Vermont

1/2 #24 Dre Wills 6'1 180 (Sr.): averaging 6.5 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 61% FG's (92-150), 46% FT's (37-81), 0% 3PT's (0-4), and 19.3 MPG in 34 GP this season

2/1 #14 Cam Ward 6'2 165 (Jr.) (left-handed shooter): averaging 4 PPG, 36% FG's (44-124), 63% FT's (27-43), 32% 3PT's (22-69), and 14.9 MPG in 34 GP this season

5/4 #12 Darren Payen 6'8 225 (RS Sr.) (left-handed shooter): averaging 6.8 PPG, 2.5 RPG, 71% FG's (92-129), 71% FT's (40-56), no 3PT's attempted, and 12 MPG in 33 GP this season

5/4 #25 Drew Urquhart 6'9 220 (Jr.): averaging 4.6 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 59% FG's (62-106), 64% FT's (28-44), no 3PT's attempted, and 13.8 MPG in 33 GP this season



Who Might Play:

Purdue

no one else likely to play


Vermont

3/4 #1 Josh Hearlihy 6'7 210 (RS Jr.) (transfer from Tulane): averaging 2 PPG, 43% FG's (19-44), 56% FT's (9-16), 32% 3PT's (6-19), and 10 MPG in 27 GP this season

4/5 #44 Nate Rohrer 6'7 225 (Jr.): averaging 1.2 PPG, 46% FG's (6-13), 80% FT's (4-5), no 3PT's attempted, and 8.5 MPG in 13 GP this season

Has Carsen been named the starter? I find it interesting he's listed as that on this preview.

 

[nagemj02]

Has Carsen been named the starter? I find it interesting he's listed as that on this preview.

It's wishful thinking. I'm hoping that CMP comes to his senses. Cline's been less productive offensively ever since he's been starting. I just believe it makes sense to go back to the starting lineup we've seen the most often this season.

 

[BoiledSteel]

It's wishful thinking. I'm hoping that CMP comes to his senses.

You just keep jumping further off the deep end. CMP is doing things the right way and it has to really be driving you crazy. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean he has to 'come to his senses'. He is clearly starting cline because CE needed to get under control and play within himself, just like he has done with other players and it worked.

Get over yourself, what CMP is doing in terms of who starts works. CE is quickly in the game as it is so who starts is massively irrelevant other than to calm nerves for those like CE that clearly needed it whether you like it or not.

 

[BoiledSteel]

Has Carsen been named the starter? I find it interesting he's listed as that on this preview.

If CE has gotten under control or gotten over the issues that have put Cline in front, then I would assume he will start.

It's grossly irrelevant anyway because CE gets his minutes and is quickly in the game as it is.

 

[nagemj02]

You just keep jumping further off the deep end. CMP is doing things the right way and it has to really be driving you crazy. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean he has to 'come to his senses'. He is clearly starting cline because CE needed to get under control and play within himself, just like he has done with other players and it worked.

Get over yourself, what CMP is doing in terms of who starts works. CE is quickly in the game as it is so who starts is massively irrelevant other than to calm nerves for those like CE that clearly needed it whether you like it or not.

It hasn't worked in 2 of Purdue's last 4 games, so I'm going to disagree with you.

 

[GoldandBlackintheSaddleAgain]

When Carsen was slumping some (bad shots, turnovers) and CMP placed Cline in the starting lineup.. I agree with your sentiments Nage-- it'd be ripe time to switch em back.

Nothing against Ryan Cline as he's been solid; serviceable to say the least. He'll also be much needed. I too just like the added dynamic that Carsen brings right from the rip-off.

Let's go Boilers! Can't wait

 

[GoldandBlackintheSaddleAgain]

*tip off
Whoops...can't find the edit feature while using my phone. derp

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

*tip off
Whoops...can't find the edit feature while using my phone. derp

I just assumed you were in Big Ten officials mode, GABSA.

 

[ahhculdee]

Time for Biggie's 30/30 game. Destroy them after what happened last year.

 

[samcboiler]

What kind of mindset is the best approach for the Boilers going into Thursday's game?

Go for the Kill. Play Haas and CS as much as possible. Play intense Defense and I'd love to see us loosen up and take a lot of 3's without fear of benching. If Cline has a big game, we will win big. I'd like to see RC go off in 3 point land for 15 points. We must be up by 20 points with 5 minutes left as we blow big leads all the time. It also seems as if 1 guy goes off against us, Tony Carr like. As soon as that happens, lets double that guy and let the other players beat us. None of us can handle another Josh Hagins type performance.

 

[rustcr]

Go for the Kill. Play Haas and CS as much as possible. Play intense Defense and I'd love to see us loosen up and take a lot of 3's without fear of benching. If Cline has a big game, we will win big. I'd like to see RC go off in 3 point land for 15 points. We must be up by 20 points with 5 minutes left as we blow big leads all the time. It also seems as if 1 guy goes off against us, Tony Carr like. As soon as that happens, lets double that guy and let the other players beat us. None of us can handle another Josh Hagins type performance.

I see Vermont's starting Center shoots 40% from 3. I'm guessing he won't be trying to post up much.

 

[BoilerAndy]

It hasn't worked in 2 of Purdue's last 4 games, so I'm going to disagree with you.

You believe Purdue lost those games because CE didn't start?

 

[nagemj02]

I see Vermont's starting Center shoots 40% from 3. I'm guessing he won't be trying to post up much.

He does but he's done it in less attempts than say, a D.J. Wilson or Mo Wagner. Also, unlike those two guys, Anthony Lamb is in the 6'5/6'6 range while Wilson and Wagner are both at least 6'10, so he shouldn't have as easy of a time as Wilson or Wagner when it comes to shooting over VE, Biggie, or Haas.

 

[nagemj02]

Does anyone have any final thoughts before this game tips off in less than an hour?

 

[ibew481]

Does anyone have any final thoughts before this game tips off in less than an hour?

Final Thought hmmmmmmm I hope I have enough cold beer

 

[tjreese]

Does anyone have any final thoughts before this game tips off in less than an hour?

Yeah play within yourself and understand that max effort is needed as one possession can make a difference. Biggie needs help of the boards. Guards, get the angle on the post feeds..oops gotta go

 

[tjreese]

Yeah play within yourself and understand that max effort is needed as one possession can make a difference. Biggie needs help of the boards. Guards, get the angle on the post feeds..oops gotta go

How about some post feeds with an angle and a bounce pass once in a while? Haas, relax and shoot the 5 footer over them. Guards get them off teh ball screen so the hedge isn't so strong. I was hopeful for an 8 pt lead at half...first five minutes lets see. That monkey is still heavy.

 

[Purdue Grad in Texas]

How about some post feeds with an angle and a bounce pass once in a while? Haas, relax and shoot the 5 footer over them. Guards get them off teh ball screen so the hedge isn't so strong. I was hopeful for an 8 pt lead at half...first five minutes lets see. That monkey is still heavy.

It's becoming a gorilla. Need a few guys to step up and shake the tension.