haven't read it yet, but thought i'd post in case there is some good or new info.
strategic plan / jpc
strategic plan / jpc
Purdue plan 2020
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From the beginning of the report, "In 2008, we unveiled our strategic plan for the six-year period through 2014..."
That one worked out really well.
That one worked out really well.
not sure how anyone could suggest the last 6 years went anywhere but down. Heck the Women's golf championship was a few years ago now and VBball didn't make the NCAAs. Maybe we need new leadership for the next plan.
So, maybe my brain is fried after working all day, but this report doesnt seem all that bad at a high level perspective. However, when it gets to critical elements like game day experience or facilities, they couldnt be more vauge.
What a weird document. If the point is to excite alumini/donors, they arent giving specific milestones to look forward to. For example, when youre fund raising you start with a concrete goal that will result in some awesome thing. For the teams I used to coach it was unis, locker room, film room equipment, etc.
If the point of this document is more like a justification/explanation of events, like a quarterly statement, all they really do is vaugely mention directors cup standings. No concrete results or teams leading the 85/25.
what jokers
This post was edited on 1/15 7:26 PM by boiler17
What a weird document. If the point is to excite alumini/donors, they arent giving specific milestones to look forward to. For example, when youre fund raising you start with a concrete goal that will result in some awesome thing. For the teams I used to coach it was unis, locker room, film room equipment, etc.
If the point of this document is more like a justification/explanation of events, like a quarterly statement, all they really do is vaugely mention directors cup standings. No concrete results or teams leading the 85/25.
what jokers
This post was edited on 1/15 7:26 PM by boiler17
We'd be better off with Billy Madison as AD.Originally posted by nat100:
They should have included this after it
Does anyone here follow other teams closely enough to know what kind of reporting/projections other schools do?
I'd personally rather have an aggressively minded department that risks not delivering on all goals.
The more I ruminate on this, the more it feels like retroactive pat on the back for what they were conservatively able to accomplish meets "man we are trying sooooo hard, be impressed with us!"
I'd personally rather have an aggressively minded department that risks not delivering on all goals.
The more I ruminate on this, the more it feels like retroactive pat on the back for what they were conservatively able to accomplish meets "man we are trying sooooo hard, be impressed with us!"
"man we shoot that arrow sooooo good"
I feel like thats a counter productive approach for them. I know when Im at football/basketball games I really just want to see guys play hard and with passion. Let the rest fall where it may.
The same approach from these guys could create some excitement around the program.
Its not like Burke doesnt shoot his mouth off once or twice a year about stuff he doesnt do anyway.
This post was edited on 1/16 12:08 PM by boiler17
I feel like thats a counter productive approach for them. I know when Im at football/basketball games I really just want to see guys play hard and with passion. Let the rest fall where it may.
The same approach from these guys could create some excitement around the program.
Its not like Burke doesnt shoot his mouth off once or twice a year about stuff he doesnt do anyway.
This post was edited on 1/16 12:08 PM by boiler17
I guess a concern to me is that their are less than 9K John Purdue Club Members.....at a school of our size and amount of alumni that are out there.....way to low a number.....
I live in NC and am still a JPC member...crazy other that live in state are not.
Should be 30K minimum members I would think to go along with yearly graduation rates.....
At least we have a plan...now lets accomplish it.
Boiler Up!
I live in NC and am still a JPC member...crazy other that live in state are not.
Should be 30K minimum members I would think to go along with yearly graduation rates.....
At least we have a plan...now lets accomplish it.
Boiler Up!
This is what I came here to say... right there at the beginning he says there are about 8000 John Purdue Club members? Holy crap that's horrid. That right right there is metric number one as a failure, as I say this as a non JPC member. With as much as they lean on them for everything, to only have about 8k membership out of over 400k alumni (as of 2011)? There are so many alumni associations across the country there has to be more than just 8k of those members... they need to do something to connect JPC and alumni better. Sweet Jesus, no wonder they have no money.
LOL, "front porch"? Try "behind the woodshed". . .
Then LSU would hire him away
This post was edited on 1/18 2:31 AM by Courthouse CarpOriginally posted by boilermaker75:
Originally posted by nat100:
They should have included this after it
We'd be better off with Billy Madison as AD.
Hell, at this point I'd settle for Robert Boucher, Jr. as AD; if his eligiblity isn't up, maybe he could be player/AD??
With our luck, he'd turn out to be a great AD
Then LSU would hire him away
Good luck with this Morgan. You have allowed the major sports to fall to never before seen levels of mediocrity, and you have been arrogant as @#%$# when people pushed back. And now you expect folks to support this nonsense.
You took people's money and built facilities for sports with no attendance. I hope your swimmers, softball and baseball players, and soccer players have got a hell of a lot of family money. Because about 100 delighted fans are going to have make up for tens of thousands of fans are really angry about the mediocre state of football, basketball, and women's basketball.
Painter can't get his players to stop anyone right now. This at a school that was known for defense. Versyp cannot get her players to even care according to today's article. And football - take a look at recruiting and tell me how it is going to consistently beat IU in the future.
Purdue athletics is a mess, and it is hard to raise money for losing programs.
You took people's money and built facilities for sports with no attendance. I hope your swimmers, softball and baseball players, and soccer players have got a hell of a lot of family money. Because about 100 delighted fans are going to have make up for tens of thousands of fans are really angry about the mediocre state of football, basketball, and women's basketball.
Painter can't get his players to stop anyone right now. This at a school that was known for defense. Versyp cannot get her players to even care according to today's article. And football - take a look at recruiting and tell me how it is going to consistently beat IU in the future.
Purdue athletics is a mess, and it is hard to raise money for losing programs.
A good start would be to put competitive teams out and to treat members decently and not blame them for not supporting mediocrity.
I left JPC last year after Morgan made it clear that he is not concerned with the success of the sports I enjoy.
I left JPC last year after Morgan made it clear that he is not concerned with the success of the sports I enjoy.
And that is as long as the strategic plan needs to be. I wonder how many person hours they put into that thing? I guess they don't have anything better to do with their time.
When Warren Buffett was asked why Berkshire Hathaway was one of the most successful companies in the word his response was, "We have one advantage over everyone else. We don't have a strategic plan."
This post was edited on 1/16 7:12 PM by boilermaker75
Yeah, I leafed thru the whole thing and really learned nothing - so vanilla and "surface" you could change the picures out and almost make it for any other school
I think it was around 6K back in the late nineties when the AD made a big push to increase membership. It hit it's zenith right around the RB with 9K, but they haven't been able to get higher than that IIRC. Lots of interesting promos (first year grads get 1 or 2 years free, points if you bring others on board, etc.) but that seems to be the high water mark.
Interesting to note that 17% of the current student body is International. Prrrrobably not gonna get those folks into the JPC/Sports support fold, although Morgan et al have assigned someone specifically for outreach in the international student area, trying to get them more involved.
you'd think our soccer support would be better
Interesting to note that 17% of the current student body is International. Prrrrobably not gonna get those folks into the JPC/Sports support fold, although Morgan et al have assigned someone specifically for outreach in the international student area, trying to get them more involved.
you'd think our soccer support would be better
The thing is, it's not that big of a deal.
Purdue's not a small school - it has 30,000 undergrad students and 39,000 total students. About 8,000 are international students.
So you have an "American" base of 30,000+. That's bigger than the total enrollments (including international) of University of Tennessee, University of Kansas, University of Iowa, UNC, West Virginia, Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, UCONN, Auburn, Nebraska, Oregon, UVA, Syracuse, Clemson....the list goes on and on.
So I don't think that's really the cause of any problems.
Purdue's not a small school - it has 30,000 undergrad students and 39,000 total students. About 8,000 are international students.
So you have an "American" base of 30,000+. That's bigger than the total enrollments (including international) of University of Tennessee, University of Kansas, University of Iowa, UNC, West Virginia, Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, UCONN, Auburn, Nebraska, Oregon, UVA, Syracuse, Clemson....the list goes on and on.
So I don't think that's really the cause of any problems.
Re: Purdue plan 2020 my take on the decrease..
poor performing teams combined with reseating in both Mackey and Ross-Ade have driven away many long term JPC members here in NW Indiana. Many had good seats for a long time and found they had been moved to the back of the bus without an adequate reason so decided to quit completely. It would be interesting to find out if fewer JPC members are providing more $$, the same $$, or less $$ as a result. IMHO the priority system always leaves the member in an unknown state where the results are not seen until after the fact. When the results such as Rose Bowl tix in the end zone so high up that the players look like ants running around, the next step is to pack it in as a lost cause. I think the AD theory is to keep the actual $$ number unknown so that a potential high roller can be influenced at the last minute at the expense of the dumb long time supporter who thinks they are going to be rewarded by their loyalty but who in actuality are the prostitutes of the athletic dept.
poor performing teams combined with reseating in both Mackey and Ross-Ade have driven away many long term JPC members here in NW Indiana. Many had good seats for a long time and found they had been moved to the back of the bus without an adequate reason so decided to quit completely. It would be interesting to find out if fewer JPC members are providing more $$, the same $$, or less $$ as a result. IMHO the priority system always leaves the member in an unknown state where the results are not seen until after the fact. When the results such as Rose Bowl tix in the end zone so high up that the players look like ants running around, the next step is to pack it in as a lost cause. I think the AD theory is to keep the actual $$ number unknown so that a potential high roller can be influenced at the last minute at the expense of the dumb long time supporter who thinks they are going to be rewarded by their loyalty but who in actuality are the prostitutes of the athletic dept.
Re: Purdue plan 2020 my take on the decrease..
Purdue basketball season tickets costs $417 a pop.
But then add on a $100 legacy fee for each season ticket.
And that doesn't even include JPC donation.
So a family of 4 to get season tickets would cost over $2,000 - and that's at the general public/non-donor price!
Purdue basketball season tickets costs $417 a pop.
But then add on a $100 legacy fee for each season ticket.
And that doesn't even include JPC donation.
So a family of 4 to get season tickets would cost over $2,000 - and that's at the general public/non-donor price!
that number would be higher if the alumni felt the university cared
about how the sports team do. I never get the impression they care enough, and that they are committed to winning.
about how the sports team do. I never get the impression they care enough, and that they are committed to winning.
Re: that number would be higher if the alumni felt the university cared
I think it's a very bold and unfounded statement to say that if the alumni felt the university cared, that number would be higher.
As I've said multiple times, pressure for change almost always comes from external parties (media, fans, donors, etc.) more so than internal factors (presidents, BOTs, etc.).
There is very little pressure on Morgan from fans, donors, etc. As much as people bitch on here about him, it's not widespread and it's not "loud", that's for sure. And he has plenty of people that think he's doing the best he can and we're just destined to not be good as we see on this forum as well. Look at what Morgan's message to donors has been - it's almost always a negative tone.
I think it's a very bold and unfounded statement to say that if the alumni felt the university cared, that number would be higher.
As I've said multiple times, pressure for change almost always comes from external parties (media, fans, donors, etc.) more so than internal factors (presidents, BOTs, etc.).
There is very little pressure on Morgan from fans, donors, etc. As much as people bitch on here about him, it's not widespread and it's not "loud", that's for sure. And he has plenty of people that think he's doing the best he can and we're just destined to not be good as we see on this forum as well. Look at what Morgan's message to donors has been - it's almost always a negative tone.
Re: that number would be higher if the alumni felt the university cared
The alumni has responded: The seats are empty. The BOT and administration has become a Indiana politically driven organization. They are responding -- to the voters of Indiana: Minimize the funding requirements of the university on the state. That's why Daniels is President of the University -- to see to it that this is accomplished. Winning is not an objective of this administration - being economically self-sustaining is. Burke has little impact on all of this: His behavior is consistent with his marching orders.
The alumni has responded: The seats are empty. The BOT and administration has become a Indiana politically driven organization. They are responding -- to the voters of Indiana: Minimize the funding requirements of the university on the state. That's why Daniels is President of the University -- to see to it that this is accomplished. Winning is not an objective of this administration - being economically self-sustaining is. Burke has little impact on all of this: His behavior is consistent with his marching orders.
I do think there is validity when talking about Burkes marching orders. We frankly dont know what they are beyond being able to give profits to the university and placing well in the directors cup. Who cares about that thing anyway, the BOT? We could win it every year, and I wouldnt care. Making that cup the goal of the department is a very unprofitable goal. Both in fans and dollars
There has been far too much spending on non revenue sports and basketball for me to think the goal is simply to limit investment.
Lbod, youre saying that empty seats dont count, and there needs to be pitchforks in the air? Im not sure what will ever happen barring scandal. I used to think that the university would reexamine the athletic departments goals since profit was so bad. This whole 2020 thing put a stop to that.
There has been far too much spending on non revenue sports and basketball for me to think the goal is simply to limit investment.
Lbod, youre saying that empty seats dont count, and there needs to be pitchforks in the air? Im not sure what will ever happen barring scandal. I used to think that the university would reexamine the athletic departments goals since profit was so bad. This whole 2020 thing put a stop to that.
If it bothers Burke, then why does he stay at Purdue as AD? It obviously doesn't bother him THAT much. Also, he's been through 4 VERY different presidents, multiple BOTs, etc. Athletics has remained consistent through all of it. Do the math.
And no you don't need pitchforks, but where's the pressure? Empty seats are just quiet complaints. I haven't seen anything in the paper pressuring wins, I don't see signs at games, I haven't seen any big donors make comments about being unhappy, etc. It's just silence. Are poeple in the President's ear? Are people in the BOT's ears? As great as these boards can be, you're not gonna get someone fired by bitching anonymously on message boards. I mean, hell, Painter had to pretty much threaten to leave Purdue to get car rental restrictions taken off of him and his staff by Burke.
And like I said, the President/BOT of MOST universities are not going to do a damn thing as long as there aren't major financial issues, scandals, etc. This isn't a "Purdue" issue. Athletics is not the focus of most university administrations!
And PS, the Chairman of the BOT is one of Purdue Athletics' biggest donors (and is a big supporter of the revenue sports).
And no you don't need pitchforks, but where's the pressure? Empty seats are just quiet complaints. I haven't seen anything in the paper pressuring wins, I don't see signs at games, I haven't seen any big donors make comments about being unhappy, etc. It's just silence. Are poeple in the President's ear? Are people in the BOT's ears? As great as these boards can be, you're not gonna get someone fired by bitching anonymously on message boards. I mean, hell, Painter had to pretty much threaten to leave Purdue to get car rental restrictions taken off of him and his staff by Burke.
And like I said, the President/BOT of MOST universities are not going to do a damn thing as long as there aren't major financial issues, scandals, etc. This isn't a "Purdue" issue. Athletics is not the focus of most university administrations!
And PS, the Chairman of the BOT is one of Purdue Athletics' biggest donors (and is a big supporter of the revenue sports).
No you're right, the main thing that bothers Burke about empty seats is the lost incremental revenue they represent. In a year when the B1G has a playoff participant and plays for the championship our cut of the take more than offsets the $3 mil depletion from reserves resulting from dismal attendance. He might also be concerned about getting some flack from the B1G about the half empty stadium's impact on the image of the B1G. But he'll probably be retired before he has to deal with that.
The fan base lost the momentum when Hope left. We as fans should have been pushing the BOT that it was also time for the guy at the top to leave as what happened at Michigan. We don't seem to be a vocal fan base except in the case of Painter threatening to leave.
I am pretty excited about the 5 year plan. I seem to remember Stalin and the Soviet Union had 5 year plans and I have heard those were highly successful...
I am pretty excited about the 5 year plan. I seem to remember Stalin and the Soviet Union had 5 year plans and I have heard those were highly successful...
