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Purdue Higher Ups: ECU is dropping $55 million on football upgrades too

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ROI. Has a smart ad that realizes the importance football can have beyond just the field. National exposure, increased applicants, better alumni support, etc.
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TOUCHE! With our shell of a stadium......there were so many other possibilities to put something similar to what ECU is doing! Lack of vision!
 
I have to say this, it really frustrates me when people on the football message board bashes the Athletic Department for taking care of other sports. It is beyond frustrating that some of you only root for the football team and not the other fellow Purdue students / alum. The baseball and softball teams were playing in stadiums that were below the level of local little league parks and you all threw a fit that they upgraded those teams' facilities. When I was a student at Purdue, less than 10 years ago, the baseball team was SHARING a locker room with track and wrestling. Heaven forbid they get to have their own locker room. You act like the amount of money spent on other sports is greater than football. I bet if you look at the budget football still gets more money than all the other sports combined. If you want to say they should spend more money on football in general or they should have spent money on this instead of that fine. However, stop complaining about money being spent on other sports when that money would not have gone a long way in help the football team anyway. Last time I checked the track team needs updates to their facilities, however they are spending all of this money on football instead.


Secondly, ECU is annually one of the top teams in their conference. So it is not a surprise they will spend that amount of money. Construction for the same size building will cost the same no matter it it is built at Notre Dame or at Northwest Dakota State. After watching the video they did not show anything that was all that special anyway. Purdue's rendering look the same and Purdue already has luxury suites. I do not understand what impressed you.
 
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I have to say this, it really frustrates me when people on the football message board bashes the Athletic Department for taking care of other sports. It is beyond frustrating that some of you only root for the football team and not the other fellow Purdue students / alum. The baseball and softball teams were playing in stadiums that were below the level of local little league parks and you all threw a fit that they upgraded those teams' facilities. When I was a student at Purdue, less than 10 years ago, the baseball team was SHARING a locker room with track and wrestling. Heaven forbid they get to have their own locker room. You act like the amount of money spent on other sports is greater than football. I bet if you look at the budget football still gets more money than all the other sports combined. If you want to say they should spend more money on football in general or they should have spent money on this instead of that fine. However, stop complaining about money being spent on other sports when that money would not have gone a long way in help the football team anyway. Last time I checked the track team needs updates to their facilities, however they are spending all of this money on football instead.


Secondly, ECU is annually one of the top teams in their conference. So it is not a surprise they will spend that amount of money. Construction for the same size building will cost the same no matter it it is built at Notre Dame or at Northwest Dakota State. After watching the video they did not show anything that was all that special anyway. Purdue's rendering look the same and Purdue already has luxury suites. I do not understand what impressed you.
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Just a reason to bitch.

15 years from now Region will be on here still complaining about Hazell and Burke
 
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I have to say this, it really frustrates me when people on the football message board bashes the Athletic Department for taking care of other sports. It is beyond frustrating that some of you only root for the football team and not the other fellow Purdue students / alum. The baseball and softball teams were playing in stadiums that were below the level of local little league parks and you all threw a fit that they upgraded those teams' facilities. When I was a student at Purdue, less than 10 years ago, the baseball team was SHARING a locker room with track and wrestling. Heaven forbid they get to have their own locker room. You act like the amount of money spent on other sports is greater than football. I bet if you look at the budget football still gets more money than all the other sports combined. If you want to say they should spend more money on football in general or they should have spent money on this instead of that fine. However, stop complaining about money being spent on other sports when that money would not have gone a long way in help the football team anyway. Last time I checked the track team needs updates to their facilities, however they are spending all of this money on football instead.


Secondly, ECU is annually one of the top teams in their conference. So it is not a surprise they will spend that amount of money. Construction for the same size building will cost the same no matter it it is built at Notre Dame or at Northwest Dakota State. After watching the video they did not show anything that was all that special anyway. Purdue's rendering look the same and Purdue already has luxury suites. I do not understand what impressed you.
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Have you ever heard of ROI? P5 athletics is big business, and needs to be run as such.

I frankly could care less that baseball had to share a locker room with track and wrestling. Big deal. They should be grateful for the free (or in some cases discounted) education.

Guess who gets the corner office and the huge expense account? The top sales guy, the partner at the firm with the most lucrative client base, aka the folks bringing in the revenue. The guy barely pulling his weight is stuck in a cubicle with Milton six feet away, grumbling about his radio and stapler. Not everyone gets treated the same, nor should they be.
 
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Grad2009DPT said:
I have to say this, it really frustrates me when people on the football message board bashes the Athletic Department for taking care of other sports. It is beyond frustrating that some of you only root for the football team and not the other fellow Purdue students / alum. The baseball and softball teams were playing in stadiums that were below the level of local little league parks and you all threw a fit that they upgraded those teams' facilities. When I was a student at Purdue, less than 10 years ago, the baseball team was SHARING a locker room with track and wrestling. Heaven forbid they get to have their own locker room. You act like the amount of money spent on other sports is greater than football. I bet if you look at the budget football still gets more money than all the other sports combined. If you want to say they should spend more money on football in general or they should have spent money on this instead of that fine. However, stop complaining about money being spent on other sports when that money would not have gone a long way in help the football team anyway. Last time I checked the track team needs updates to their facilities, however they are spending all of this money on football instead.


Secondly, ECU is annually one of the top teams in their conference. So it is not a surprise they will spend that amount of money. Construction for the same size building will cost the same no matter it it is built at Notre Dame or at Northwest Dakota State. After watching the video they did not show anything that was all that special anyway. Purdue's rendering look the same and Purdue already has luxury suites. I do not understand what impressed you.
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If it wasn't for football Purdue would have no track team. As mentioned above sometimes you just need to know your place. Football is what pays the bills, not track athletes or wrestlers. If you want more sympathy for non revenue sports the football board is not the place to look.
 
Yeah, you don't feed the non revenue generating sports at ge expense of the cash cow. They milked football til it died and now we have nothing
 
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Grad2009DPT said:
Secondly, ECU is annually one of the top teams in their conference. So it is not a surprise they will spend that amount of money. Construction for the same size building will cost the same no matter it it is built at Notre Dame or at Northwest Dakota State. After watching the video they did not show anything that was all that special anyway. Purdue's rendering look the same and Purdue already has luxury suites. I do not understand what impressed you.
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I honestly had to Google their conference. The mighty, AAC, not a Power 5. The last 6 years? 42-34. Not exactly an "annual power" but as Purdue fans that would be impressive.

I was impressed that a directional school in a non power conference would have essentially a similar project to what we are told will put us on par as a top Big Ten facility. Good for ECU.
 
JohnHoosierr said:
If it wasn't for football Purdue would have no track team. As mentioned above sometimes you just need to know your place. Football is what pays the bills, not track athletes or wrestlers. If you want more sympathy for non revenue sports the football board is not the place to look.
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If football was taken care of, and did win, and we drew even 45,000 to games, it would help donations, merchandise, etc. Then that could be used to be redistributed to other programs. As a baseball coach (6-30 with his fancy stadium) I would think bringing a recruit in during the fall to see 50,000 cheering fans would be a heck of a recruiting tool.
 
Have you seen the latest updates on the B1G TV contract? There are folks estimating each school will be getting $60MM per year (see www.frankthetank.me). That's $25MM more per year. Frankly we could've sold out every football game this year and it would've been less than $15MM additional revenue. ECU can have their nice stadium. We will outpace their revenues by 500%.

The bigger question is what does that mean for our AD. Obviously every other B1G school is going to see the same gain. How we use that increase will be critical. I hope we use it to keep the primary revenue sports competitive first (paying off a contract buyout for one may be in the cards). I hope the recent trend of lower payments back to the school continue as well.

But Purdue just hit the lottery. We're lucky we are a charter member of this conference because we are taking far more than giving right now.
 
BoilerBulldog said:
Have you seen the latest updates on the B1G TV contract? There are folks estimating each school will be getting $60MM per year (see www.frankthetank.me). That's $25MM more per year. Frankly we could've sold out every football game this year and it would've been less than $15MM additional revenue. ECU can have their nice stadium. We will outpace their revenues by 500%.

The bigger question is what does that mean for our AD. Obviously every other B1G school is going to see the same gain. How we use that increase will be critical. I hope we use it to keep the primary revenue sports competitive first (paying off a contract buyout for one may be in the cards). I hope the recent trend of lower payments back to the school continue as well.

But Purdue just hit the lottery. We're lucky we are a charter member of this conference because we are taking far more than giving right now.
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This isn't THAT true. We have one of the top 10-15 most valuable basketball programs out there. Unlike in the SEC where basketball only carries about 10% of the revenue, in the BIG basketball pushes towards 40% of total revenue so we DO move the needle for the conference a bit.
 
JohnHoosierr said:
If it wasn't for football Purdue would have no track team. As mentioned above sometimes you just need to know your place. Football is what pays the bills, not track athletes or wrestlers. If you want more sympathy for non revenue sports the football board is not the place to look.
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Well said!!!!!!!!!
 
How's that new baseball field working out? No crowds...........I think he has gone about 30-95 since it was built! Shooting for his third straight last place finish! Great ROI!
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
If football was taken care of, and did win, and we drew even 45,000 to games, it would help donations, merchandise, etc. Then that could be used to be redistributed to other programs. As a baseball coach (6-30 with his fancy stadium) I would think bringing a recruit in during the fall to see 50,000 cheering fans would be a heck of a recruiting tool.
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Touche! Spot on...........
 
PalmCoastFl said:
How's that new baseball field working out? No crowds...........I think he has gone about 30-95 since it was built! Shooting for his third straight last place finish! Great ROI!
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I am sure there is going to be a mass cleaning of house when the new AD is hired. My guess the hires will be:

Baseball
Softball
Football
Women's BBall
Swimming and Diving (retain diving coach as that appears to be the strong suit of that program right now)

That would be a large amount of hires for a new AD to come in and make, but those programs all seem to be simply muddying up in the lower half or dead last of the conference. Schreiber's complete inability to capitalize on his breakout year and new stadium is a travesty. 6-30 and three consecutive dead last finishes is a total joke with the actual amount of talent that the surrounding area of Lafayette and Indiana produces.

The new wrestling hire was actually a pretty good one and will need a bit of time to establish his new system. I think this was his first or second year and they made some noise this year beyond a single wrestler making it to the NCAA's. Obviously men's bball is safe at the moment, no matter how others feel about it. Unless CMP wants to leave or gives the AD a true reason to make him leave, he'll be here for a minimum of another recruiting cycle to see how his 2017 class ends up shaking out (i'll say 2020). Obviously volleyball with Dave Shondell is secure but he has seemed to hit a bit of a plateau over the last few years. Don't be surprised though if Dave leaves if they bring in Britney Dildine to replace him. She is an alumni (played 4 years of volleyball and 1 year of basketball) and graduated in 2008. She is currently the associate head coach at Wisconsin.
 
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Why would they force out Shondell when he is winning and recruiting at an elite level? It would be extremely foolish to force him out or let him walk.
 
nat100 said:
Why would they force out Shondell when he is winning and recruiting at an elite level? It would be extremely foolish to force him out or let him walk.
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Changed the wording. Didn't catch that part I added in as I was also talking about Schreiber, Hazell, and Versyp in the same message...
 
JohnnyDoeBoiler said:
I am sure there is going to be a mass cleaning of house when the new AD is hired. My guess the hires will be:

Baseball
Softball
Football
Women's BBall
Swimming and Diving (retain diving coach as that appears to be the strong suit of that program right now)

That would be a large amount of hires for a new AD to come in and make, but those programs all seem to be simply muddying up in the lower half or dead last of the conference. Schreiber's complete inability to capitalize on his breakout year and new stadium is a travesty. 6-30 and three consecutive dead last finishes is a total joke with the actual amount of talent that the surrounding area of Lafayette and Indiana produces.

The new wrestling hire was actually a pretty good one and will need a bit of time to establish his new system. I think this was his first or second year and they made some noise this year beyond a single wrestler making it to the NCAA's. Obviously men's bball is safe at the moment, no matter how others feel about it. Unless CMP wants to leave or gives the AD a true reason to make him leave, he'll be here for a minimum of another recruiting cycle to see how his 2017 class ends up shaking out (i'll say 2020). Obviously volleyball with Dave Shondell is secure but he has seemed to hit a bit of a plateau over the last few years. Don't be surprised though if Dave leaves or is forced out and they bring in Britney Dildine to replace him. She is an alumni (played 4 years of volleyball and 1 year of basketball) and graduated in 2008. She is currently the associate head coach at Wisconsin.
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I think football absolutely has to get fixed first. My guess is if they can have someone in by August, Hazell gets a year for them to see. After Hazell, Sharon Versyp will be put on notice and she will have a year to prove herself. After that for the spring, baseball will be on notice. The thing with MB being a "lame duck" is that he can't really be making personnel decisions. Depending when a new person is brought in, it would be a bad time to get rid of anyone; if it was a June hire I think Schrieber could be in trouble and a wild card would be if he had enough and stepped down.

Softball is a .500 team and hey, they can go .500 and be fine. I think Shondell as long as he keeps going to the NCAAs should stay as long as he wants. Wrestling is tough in the Big Ten but they seem to be OK. Swimming, no clue. I wonder if we get out of the red if they would ever consider adding a sport like rowing or field hockey or anything else.

It was interesting, and I think impressive to see what the new AD at Illinois did. He fired a football coach at probably the worst possible time, but he had a pretty solid hire to replace him. Lovie Smith > Bill Cubit. Living by Chicago you follow what he is doing with generating a buzz for all Illini programs.
 
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It was interesting, and I think impressive to see what the new AD at Illinois did. He fired a football coach at probably the worst possible time, but he had a pretty solid hire to replace him. Lovie Smith > Bill Cubit. Living by Chicago you follow what he is doing with generating a buzz for all Illini programs.
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I like the power move part of it but Lovie Smith is going to be an absolute disaster for them.
 
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I like the power move part of it but Lovie Smith is going to be an absolute disaster for them.
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I don't know who would have been better. You have a team that was Zooked, he was Danny Hope with experience as a DC. Then you hire Tim Beckman who is so inept you fire him before the season under charges of player mistreatment, and you give the job to Bill Cubit who happened to be on staff and had HC experience. Cubit was a lame duck and rather than waste a year he made this move. It gives a team and program is 0 credibility a guy who coached in a Super Bowl. I would take it.
 
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I don't know who would have been better. You have a team that was Zooked, he was Danny Hope with experience as a DC. Then you hire Tim Beckman who is so inept you fire him before the season under charges of player mistreatment, and you give the job to Bill Cubit who happened to be on staff and had HC experience. Cubit was a lame duck and rather than waste a year he made this move. It gives a team and program is 0 credibility a guy who coached in a Super Bowl. I would take it.
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Cubit took a team picked to implode and won 5 games. He was likely to win 7 next year. I'd wager Purdue beats Illinois next year when we wouldn't have if Cubit was still around.
 
nat100 said:
Yeah, you don't feed the non revenue generating sports at ge expense of the cash cow. They milked football til it died and now we have nothing
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More like we butchered the cow.

Or as they say, you can shear a sheep many times, but you can only skin it once.
 
RegionWarrior101 said:
So as we finish high-fiving ourselves for our $60 million facility, please understand we are trying to keep up with the East Carolinas of the world.

On a side note, the project looks pretty cool. Nice to try to improve the fan experience.

http://footballscoop.com/news/video...-in-their-expansion-of-dowdy-ficklen-stadium/
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I mean, I'm not really a staunch defender of the athletic department, but this is hardly an apple to apple comparison.

I still find it deplorable how Purdue sold the "Mackey Project" when most of it had nothing to do with basketball.
 
I think it is funny that people think that the money spent on baseball and softball somehow took away from money the department would spend on football. Next thing you know you all will be saying only the football and basketball team deserves uniforms and everyone else just wear what ever tshirt you have in your closet for your sport because spending money on jerseys takes away from football.
 
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I think it is funny that people think that the money spent on baseball and softball somehow took away from money the department would spend on football. Next thing you know you all will be saying only the football and basketball team deserves uniforms and everyone else just wear what ever tshirt you have in your closet for your sport because spending money on jerseys takes away from football.
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Evidently you have no clue about the discussion here...........
 
Grad2009DPT said:
I think it is funny that people think that the money spent on baseball and softball somehow took away from money the department would spend on football. Next thing you know you all will be saying only the football and basketball team deserves uniforms and everyone else just wear what ever tshirt you have in your closet for your sport because spending money on jerseys takes away from football.
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When you properly fund football, football will bring in money for the others. Purdue Football was neglected, you see the results of the bottom line today. It was Athletic Department socialism and line the Soviet Union, we all go hungry.
 
Grad2009DPT said:
I think it is funny that people think that the money spent on baseball and softball somehow took away from money the department would spend on football. Next thing you know you all will be saying only the football and basketball team deserves uniforms and everyone else just wear what ever tshirt you have in your closet for your sport because spending money on jerseys takes away from football.
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All of Burke's idiotic spending on sports facilities that hardly anyone cares about kept us from building this football facility 10 years ago when we should have, as well as fixing the ridiculously bush-league looking South end zone, and get lights like the rest of P5 football (and high school football for that matter) etc, etc. Now we are perpetually playing catchup with the rest of the B1G.

They should name the softball stadium "Joe Tiller Park".
 
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I think it is funny that people think that the money spent on baseball and softball somehow took away from money the department would spend on football. Next thing you know you all will be saying only the football and basketball team deserves uniforms and everyone else just wear what ever tshirt you have in your closet for your sport because spending money on jerseys takes away from football.
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When purdue solicits donations for facilities, non revenue sports do compete with football. It was completely asinine to go 10 years after the ross ade renovation in 2001 before the next major football upgrade. Football and basketball pay the bills. Keep them up to date and supplement the remainder as you can. Doing everything in one move in the Mackey deal was a misallocation of donation requests.
 
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When purdue solicits donations for facilities, non revenue sports do compete with football..
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There are some people qualified to answer whether that statement was true at Purdue.

1) Golf - Pete Dye, family of Emerson Kampen, a former Purdue golfer (Deere CEO I think), also Ackerman.

2) Tennis - Schwartz - big tennis donation made in honor of his late wife....who was an avid tennis fan

3) swimming - former swimmers

4) Baseball - Alexander (former baseball coach) donated 10M.

Would this group contributed these funds to a "football only" campaign....don't know. Seems a bit far fetched to assume that...but would have to ask them.
 
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There are some people qualified to answer whether that statement was true at Purdue.

1) Golf - Pete Dye, family of Emerson Kampen, a former Purdue golfer (Deere CEO I think), also Ackerman.

2) Tennis - Schwartz - big tennis donation made in honor of his late wife....who was an avid tennis fan

3) swimming - former swimmers

4) Baseball - Alexander (former baseball coach) donated 10M.

Would this group contributed these funds to a "football only" campaign....don't know. Seems a bit far fetched to assume that...but would have to ask them.
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If they earmarked it for those items, i know it has to go there. Would they have donated for football if asked in the alternative?
 
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There are some people qualified to answer whether that statement was true at Purdue.

1) Golf - Pete Dye, family of Emerson Kampen, a former Purdue golfer (Deere CEO I think), also Ackerman.

2) Tennis - Schwartz - big tennis donation made in honor of his late wife....who was an avid tennis fan

3) swimming - former swimmers

4) Baseball - Alexander (former baseball coach) donated 10M.

Would this group contributed these funds to a "football only" campaign....don't know. Seems a bit far fetched to assume that...but would have to ask them.
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Do you know how Alexander came up with $10 mil?
 
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If they earmarked it for those items, i know it has to go there. Would they have donated for football if asked in the alternative?
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As I said would have to ask them. You appear to assume that they would've.

For example Pete Dye pitched his golf course renovation idea to Purdue (offering to volunteer his design services)....but was told by Purdue president..."great idea ...but we don't have the $$$$ to pay for it." So Pete told him he would do the fundraising....and get it done cheaper using Purdue students. Purdue president then said...."you have a deal".

Yet that gets lumped in as an example of Purdue ignoring football in favor of an Olympic sport. Heck Once the second course opens back up.....golf complex should be a yearly revenue stream.
 
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As I said would have to ask them. You appear to assume that they would've.

For example Pete Dye pitched his golf course renovation idea to Purdue (offering to volunteer his design services)....but was told by Purdue president..."great idea ...but we don't have the $$$$ to pay for it." So Pete told him he would do the fundraising....and get it done cheaper using Purdue students. Purdue president then said...."you have a deal".

Yet that gets lumped in as an example of Purdue ignoring football in favor of an Olympic sport. Heck Once the second course opens back up.....golf complex should be a yearly revenue stream.
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You've explained away $15M of the $100m project. How bout the remainder?
 
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You've explained away $15M of the $100m project. How bout the remainder?
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Golf wasn't part of the Mackey Complex project.

The vast majority of the Mackey Complex project went to things that directly impact basketball and/or football (Mackey Arena renovation, bball practice courts, sports performance, football practice fields, academic center, etc etc).

There was also some renovation of locker rooms for Olympic sports. And some coaching and admin offices.

Original price tag was 100M.....I think it ended up being 120M was finally approved. If I am not mistaken baseball got folded into the project .
 
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