Player Trust/coach

[Boiler Buck]

Was thinking about player trust when watching the E8 Miami game as that was what the announcers raved about the coach in this area.

Thinking of the player that generated CMPs trust.....
1. The careful low TO type.
2. The good defender.
3. The gifted scorer.

Watching the season it appears that #1 & 2 perhaps help with season wins and has for CMP over the years.

It also seems like #3 is clearly something that helps in the NCAAT. While # 1 or 2 have an effect, but are usually overwhelmed by teams that can score in bunches.....so maybe it is probably over emphasized when it comes to tourney wins?

Perhaps CMPs philosophy on trust is what bothers some of you too? Perhaps his leash is too tight on his guys that don't fall into #3?

For me, as I think about CMPs preference of Morton over Newman and how he coaches Newman with a short leash even while he plays, it seems this is a microcosm of his general overall philosophy when it comes to player trust. Morton while a good player, never a guy that will lead in March as he just doesn't have the tools. But does ok in alot of season long games. I think Newman showed late he should have started and got the majority of the minutes all year. And perhaps the way he was handled by coaches led to a lower confidence in Newman's scoring?

As most of my posts show, I sometimes question things like this.....but I am an overall supporter of CMP, but still hope he improves in this area.

Feel free to tell me I am off base...but your thoughts?
 

 

[tjreese]

Was thinking about player trust when watching the E8 Miami game as that was what the announcers raved about the coach in this area.

Thinking of the player that generated CMPs trust.....
1. The careful low TO type.
2. The good defender.
3. The gifted scorer.

Watching the season it appears that #1 & 2 perhaps help with season wins and has for CMP over the years.

It also seems like #3 is clearly something that helps in the NCAAT. While # 1 or 2 have an effect, but are usually overwhelmed by teams that can score in bunches.....so maybe it is probably over emphasized when it comes to tourney wins?

Perhaps CMPs philosophy on trust is what bothers some of you too? Perhaps his leash is too tight on his guys that don't fall into #3?

For me, as I think about CMPs preference of Morton over Newman and how he coaches Newman with a short leash even while he plays, it seems this is a microcosm of his general overall philosophy when it comes to player trust. Morton while a good player, never a guy that will lead in March as he just doesn't have the tools. But does ok in alot of season long games. I think Newman showed late he should have started and got the majority of the minutes all year. And perhaps the way he was handled by coaches led to a lower confidence in Newman's scoring?

As most of my posts show, I sometimes question things like this.....but I am an overall supporter of CMP, but still hope he improves in this area.

Feel free to tell me I am off base...but your thoughts?
 

I think it is simpler. I think Matt wants to know that you will do what he wants you to do. That may be different, and should be different for every player. When he knows you will provide or most likely provide those things you can and should do, or always attempt to do, then he knows what is out there. If players on the court attempt to provide something different than what he thought he was getting when he placed a player on the court, then he has no idea what will happen out there.

Now those things that he wants AND doesn't want should be pretty clear to the players and "IF" the players stay inside those lines generally, then he can plan on creating an "effect" that he can evaluate, but if players are not predictable, then he has no idea what to expect with different groupings and such. Now those things he wants or doesn't want may carry different weightings...which all coaches would have. If player plays inside the expectations mentally and physically, then Matt knows for the most part what he is getting when he subs or groups players together...

Look at how many compare stats on players...especially now in the portal. People assume those stats are based upon an individual (even though that isn't entirely true) absent the surrounidng cast and team style, and so they think previous information is useful in predicting current effects whether looking at portal transfers or coming off the bench...or starting. Trust is being predictable in those things you can control the way I see it. Matt allows a LOT more freedom than Gene did, but the shot clock dictates some of that

 

[Gman544]

I don't know what the infatuation is with Newman. He has one good offensive game and everyone goes bananas. Next game he is 0-5 from three and making bad turnovers and three or four almosts that disrupt the offense. He has horrible handles. Decent defender, good rebounder. Better than Morton, maybe, but not the answer.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

I don't know what the infatuation is with Newman. He has one good offensive game and everyone goes bananas. Next game he is 0-5 from three and making bad turnovers and three or four almosts that disrupt the offense. He has horrible handles. Decent defender, good rebounder. Better than Morton, maybe, but not the answer.

Yeah, they both are off the bench pieces on a really strong NCAA team.

 

[New Pal Boiler]

Was thinking about player trust when watching the E8 Miami game as that was what the announcers raved about the coach in this area.

Thinking of the player that generated CMPs trust.....
1. The careful low TO type.
2. The good defender.
3. The gifted scorer.

Watching the season it appears that #1 & 2 perhaps help with season wins and has for CMP over the years.

It also seems like #3 is clearly something that helps in the NCAAT. While # 1 or 2 have an effect, but are usually overwhelmed by teams that can score in bunches.....so maybe it is probably over emphasized when it comes to tourney wins?

Perhaps CMPs philosophy on trust is what bothers some of you too? Perhaps his leash is too tight on his guys that don't fall into #3?

For me, as I think about CMPs preference of Morton over Newman and how he coaches Newman with a short leash even while he plays, it seems this is a microcosm of his general overall philosophy when it comes to player trust. Morton while a good player, never a guy that will lead in March as he just doesn't have the tools. But does ok in alot of season long games. I think Newman showed late he should have started and got the majority of the minutes all year. And perhaps the way he was handled by coaches led to a lower confidence in Newman's scoring?

As most of my posts show, I sometimes question things like this.....but I am an overall supporter of CMP, but still hope he improves in this area.

Feel free to tell me I am off base...but your thoughts?
 

If you can get buckets, you’ll be out there. As freshmen, Carsen, Etwaun and Jaden weren’t good defenders but they still got plenty of minutes.

 

[tjreese]

I don't know what the infatuation is with Newman. He has one good offensive game and everyone goes bananas. Next game he is 0-5 from three and making bad turnovers and three or four almosts that disrupt the offense. He has horrible handles. Decent defender, good rebounder. Better than Morton, maybe, but not the answer.

He is a guy we look at and say...he can defend. He is a guy we look at and say...he can board in traffic. He is the guy we look at and say...his shot looks pretty good. He is also the guy that doesn't shoot as well as his shot looks and gets on autopass at times and forgets to catch the ball, before taking off. We see the physical aspects for potential and then it gets pulled down by some mental errors. I think less sets would help him...because I see him struggling on the mental side.

 

[Boiler Buck]

If you can get buckets, you’ll be out there. As freshmen, Carsen, Etwaun and Jaden weren’t good defenders but they still got plenty of minutes.

Yep the #3 guys (above) he trusts. Bucketmakers.

Need to use our #1 ranking this year & top 10 ranking next year to continue to recruit more of these guys. 24 class is a great start. Hopefully, a big-time scoring guard like Harris or Perry joins too. Like to have scores @ all 5 positions.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

I don't know what the infatuation is with Newman. He has one good offensive game and everyone goes bananas. Next game he is 0-5 from three and making bad turnovers and three or four almosts that disrupt the offense. He has horrible handles. Decent defender, good rebounder. Better than Morton, maybe, but not the answer.

Not so much an infatuation, but I do think Newman’s upside > Morton’s upside. On both ends of the court.

 

[77 grad]

Morton's upside is more reliability and consistency. Newman has been here for a few years now too.

 

[Boiler Buck]

Morton's upside is more reliability and consistency. Newman has been here for a few years now too.

Reliability? Yes, one can rely on him to over help in team D, rely on him to get blowed by on D, rely on his brick laying, and poor handle.

Hopefully, all those things improve vastly, because the other thing one can rely on, is CMP loving the heck out of him some Morton, as his play imptomizes season wins over the guy you need for NCAAT wins.

 

[Gman544]

Not so much an infatuation, but I do think Newman’s upside > Morton’s upside. On both ends of the court.

Not directed at any one person, but some have claimed we would have gone undefeated with Newman etc. I think Newman may have a higher offensive upside, but he has not shown it except for a game here or there followed by an ofer. Defensively he is a good defender, brings intensity and is flashier thean Morton, But after a while he loses his man and gives up open looks. It's mental. Morton does too, sometimes, it happens, but not as much as Newman does even in short stints.

 

[msfboiler3]

Not so much an infatuation, but I do think Newman’s upside > Morton’s upside. On both ends of the court.

Those aren't the only two guards on the team. Loyer didn't shoot well at the end of the year this year and sasha last. Newman is a better defender than both . Better rebounder than both. What is going on? Matt got infatuated with morton for some reason who also cant shoot...which has been proven over multiple seasons. We had nobody that could hit a shot outside of eddey. The Fairley Dickinson coach took it to the extreme and just embarrassed purdue players and coaches for what's been obvious for some time. It's not like sasha last year or loyer or morton this year had some big upside with defense, rebounding, or ball handling.

 

[BoilerMaker P]

Not directed at any one person, but some have claimed we would have gone undefeated with Newman etc. I think Newman may have a higher offensive upside, but he has not shown it except for a game here or there followed by an ofer. Defensively he is a good defender, brings intensity and is flashier thean Morton, But after a while he loses his man and gives up open looks. It's mental. Morton does too, sometimes, it happens, but not as much as Newman does even in short stints.

Yeah, I somewhat get that. But, let’s take for example the game with IU at Mackey. It’s hypothetical, but there’s reason to believe if Newman starts that game and pesters JHS early, he doesn’t get rolling and gain all that confidence to drop almost 30 on Purdue. He was not good on the road this year but had a career night against Morton.