Plan B.

[paintball1979]

With some of the revelations coming out from our posters on the Biggie and Barnes thread, the next couple months will be very interesting on what kind of team Purdue will field next year. If CS stays, I think we all feel we will be pretty solid with no additions and even better with a good 5th year add on.
Now without CS, which seems more likely the case, quality additions that can immediately produce will become very critical for MP.
A likely starting lineup would be Haas, VE, Basil, PJ and DM. That leaves an unproven Taylor as your lone front court sub, and two quality back court subs in Cline and CE.
Makes you wonder about Stephens decision. In this Scenario, he probably would have been 1st sub in as a small forward and probably gets a lot of minutes out of necessity.
It would seem MP would have a pretty good selling point to some folks out there for an immediate need. I bet 6 months ago, MP would not have figured he would be dealing with roster problems so quickly again.

 

[boilersallthewaynow]

With some of the revelations coming out from our posters on the Biggie and Barnes thread, the next couple months will be very interesting on what kind of team Purdue will field next year. If CS stays, I think we all feel we will be pretty solid with no additions and even better with a good 5th year add on.
Now without CS, which seems more likely the case, quality additions that can immediately produce will become very critical for MP.
A likely starting lineup would be Haas, VE, Basil, PJ and DM. That leaves an unproven Taylor as your lone front court sub, and two quality back court subs in Cline and CE.
Makes you wonder about Stephens decision. In this Scenario, he probably would have been 1st sub in as a small forward and probably gets a lot of minutes out of necessity.
It would seem MP would have a pretty good selling point to some folks out there for an immediate need. I bet 6 months ago, MP would not have figured he would be dealing with roster problems so quickly again.

Seems to me that CMP has been dealing with roster problems for several years now.

Given the two departures, if Biggie doesn't return and barring some terrific off season 5th year transfers, we likely will be having a rough season in 16-17.

 

[DG10]

With some of the revelations coming out from our posters on the Biggie and Barnes thread, the next couple months will be very interesting on what kind of team Purdue will field next year. If CS stays, I think we all feel we will be pretty solid with no additions and even better with a good 5th year add on.
Now without CS, which seems more likely the case, quality additions that can immediately produce will become very critical for MP.
A likely starting lineup would be Haas, VE, Basil, PJ and DM. That leaves an unproven Taylor as your lone front court sub, and two quality back court subs in Cline and CE.
Makes you wonder about Stephens decision. In this Scenario, he probably would have been 1st sub in as a small forward and probably gets a lot of minutes out of necessity.
It would seem MP would have a pretty good selling point to some folks out there for an immediate need. I bet 6 months ago, MP would not have figured he would be dealing with roster problems so quickly again.

Unfortunately, there are not a lot of options for quality 5th-year guys at this point...Albrecht is a good get and fit regardless of the Biggie situation, but if Biggie does leave, then Purdue is desperate for a quality big that can provide depth, if not contribute, as you are losing a double/double guy in CS...those points are tough to make up...the rebounds more so...and it changes the way you play on the offensive end as well.

It does raise questions about Stephens' situation, but, Stephens had no intention of coming back next year. That situation furthered a problem for Painter with respect to roster turnover, class balance and losing experienced guys, all of which play into the roster problems that you alluded to...Biggie leaving only compounds that, but graduating 5 guys after '17 compounds it further potentially.

Many had said that last year was a wasted golden opportunity, and if Biggie leaves, it will only confirm that even more...and, it completely changes the outlook for '16-'17, and it increases the pressure for the '17 recruiting class as well.

While Painter may not have figured that he would be dealing with roster problems so quickly again, he unfortunately created the situation, or at least largely contributed to it.

 

[BBG]

While Painter may not have figured that he would be dealing with roster problems so quickly again, he unfortunately created the situation, or at least largely contributed to it.

And how did he contribute? By not telling Biggie to stay in school and potentially forego millions? He also gave Stephens every opportunity to come back.

I'm sorry and I mean no offense, but that is just ridiculous. He can't force a player to do something when it comes to thEirik future. That is on the player.

 

[DG10]

And how did he contribute? By not telling Biggie to stay in school and potentially forego millions? He also gave Stephens every opportunity to come back.

I'm sorry and I mean no offense, but that is just ridiculous. He can't force a player to do something when it comes to thEirik future. That is on the player.

I am not trying to bash or stir things up by any means...nor offend.

Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. That is specific to the case of Biggie...and while Stephens' matter was different and more on Kendall than Painter, the decision to not redshirt Cline totally changed things for Kendall last year.

Ultimately though, while those are specific matters, I was actually alluding to the bigger picture and roster management problem that has persisted and continues to be an issue than I was to the specific situations of Swanigan and Stephens, although their situations are a part of the persistent problem...and my point was that Painter had contributed to the bigger picture problem more so than the Swanigan and Stephens situations specifically.

 

[BBG]

I am not trying to bash or stir things up by any means...nor offend.

Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. That is specific to the case of Biggie...and while Stephens' matter was different and more on Kendall than Painter, the decision to not redshirt Cline totally changed things for Kendall last year.

Ultimately though, while those are specific matters, I was actually alluding to the bigger picture and roster management problem that has persisted and continues to be an issue than I was to the specific situations of Swanigan and Stephens, although their situations are a part of the persistent problem...and my point was that Painter had contributed to the bigger picture problem more so than the Swanigan and Stephens situations specifically.

Fair enough I just disagree. Ultimately to me it falls on the individual player moreso than the coach.

CMP played biggie when he was turning the ball over frequently and would bexpect the feature player on the team next year.

Not redshirting cline was to me the absolutely right decision. If KS wanted more minutes then he needed to work to earn them (tragedy aside). If anything, that shows how properly CMP is managing the players because he puts his best ones out there.

Now, I will agree it is on CMP for the type/caliber player he recruits just like it is with every coach. There always be players that don't panic out in college. However, a player shouldn't be given minutes just "because". To me they should have to earn them which only makes the whole team better in the long run thanks to healthy competition.

 

[Dryfly88]

I am not trying to bash or stir things up by any means...nor offend.

Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. That is specific to the case of Biggie...and while Stephens' matter was different and more on Kendall than Painter, the decision to not redshirt Cline totally changed things for Kendall last year.

Ultimately though, while those are specific matters, I was actually alluding to the bigger picture and roster management problem that has persisted and continues to be an issue than I was to the specific situations of Swanigan and Stephens, although their situations are a part of the persistent problem...and my point was that Painter had contributed to the bigger picture problem more so than the Swanigan and Stephens situations specifically.

You seem to have some inside information. Can you be specific of what Barnes was not happy about prior to the tournament? As far as the ALR game, it was 1 game out of 35, how could that impact your decision to come back or not??

 

[TC4THREE]

I bet Painter did plan on having to deal with it again because the way college basketball is today most coaches have to deal with it every year.

As for whether Painter is to blame for Barnes/Swanigan.... well if they are offended by the coach coaching his team then I don't have much sympathy for them. Swanigan is talented but he's not above coaching and if Barnes honestly thinks he was the best PF in college basketball last season then I'm not sure it was Painter whose vision was clouded. If anything, I thought Matt played Swanigan too much last season.

 

[DG10]

Fair enough I just disagree. Ultimately to me it falls on the individual player moreso than the coach.

CMP played biggie when he was turning the ball over frequently and would bexpect the feature player on the team next year.

Not redshirting cline was to me the absolutely right decision. If KS wanted more minutes then he needed to work to earn them (tragedy aside). If anything, that shows how properly CMP is managing the players because he puts his best ones out there.

Now, I will agree it is on CMP for the type/caliber player he recruits just like it is with every coach. There always be players that don't panic out in college. However, a player shouldn't be given minutes just "because". To me they should have to earn them which only makes the whole team better in the long run thanks to healthy competition.

I too generally think that it falls more on the individual player rather than the coach, except it seems to be happening with regularity and consistency at Purdue, and with guys that it seemingly should not be, which merits wondering if it is indeed more the player than the coach(es).

CMP has played a lot of guys that turn(ed) the ball over a ton...so playing Biggie was no different or any special concession on his part, and he played Biggie in that it was part of his master plan to be different and play big opposed to what other teams are doing in college basketball...unfortunately, it did not work...more unfortunately, he completely changed the approach in what was the most important game of the season.

As for the Cline situation, I too felt that not redshirting him was the right decision...as this was a perfect situation for a guy with his skill set...Cline is a guy that needs to be surrounded by talent in order to maximize his own skill set, and this team appeared to provide that...unfortunately, it did not work out that way, and it ended up being a case where his not redshirting impacted Stephens directly...that is not to say that Cline had not earned the minutes that he ended up getting, as he absolutely did...but those minutes came at the expense of Stephens'.

 

[Dakota Girl]

I think Barnes is doing his agent thing and posturing to get it Biggie in the best light for the NBA as an agent should do. The league will let him know that f they buy it or not. As far as roster impact goes, Losing Biggie is an impact more to potential and depth than to production. I want him back because of what he may be next season, not for what he was last. This team can still be very good next year but the style would be totally different. It's a 5, 3, 3, 3, 1 (IH, VE, DM, BS, PJT) or 5, 3, 3, 2, 1 (IH, VE, DM, RC, PJT) lineup. Either way they better hit 3's. It would be easier to match up to most college teams though.

 

[Cleanface]

This thread gon' get good.

*popcorn gif*

 

[Boiler Buck]

I still do not think CS is going anywhere. No logical reason to do so or to think so.

Cannot blame Barnes for being a good salesman and making statements accordingly....well done by him.

CS has the potential to make millions by staying here next year -- as option 1 on the Boilers he should lay down enough double doubles for Purdue to get CS the attention needed to be drafted w/ a guaranteed contract if he can learn to protect the ball more.

 

[mathboy]

DG10, Where is this coming from?

Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. That is specific to the case of Biggie...

Have you talked with Barnes? ...Or Biggie, regarding this comment? Why do you say this? Is this just your assumption?

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Odd that many of his critics say Painter won't change his game plan, or he is too inflexible. In the tournament game, what he usually ran was not working, so he tried to change up what the team was doing. He was not successful, but showed a great deal of flexibility in changing his approach. Now his critics dog him for changing. Guess you can't win, eh?

 

[cprh9u]

DG10, Where is this coming from?


Have you talked with Barnes? ...Or Biggie, regarding this comment? Why do you say this? Is this just your assumption?

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Odd that many of his critics say Painter won't change his game plan, or he is too inflexible. In the tournament game, what he usually ran was not working, so he tried to change up what the team was doing. He was not successful, but showed a great deal of flexibility in changing his approach. Now his critics dog him for changing. Guess you can't win, eh?

No, you can't "win" when your team loses to University of Arkansas Little Rock in the NCAA tourney.

 

[DG10]

DG10, Where is this coming from?


Have you talked with Barnes? ...Or Biggie, regarding this comment? Why do you say this? Is this just your assumption?

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Odd that many of his critics say Painter won't change his game plan, or he is too inflexible. In the tournament game, what he usually ran was not working, so he tried to change up what the team was doing. He was not successful, but showed a great deal of flexibility in changing his approach. Now his critics dog him for changing. Guess you can't win, eh?

He went away from what he had done all year in the tournament game...he had tried to play big and cause mismatches for the course of an entire season, specifically with the idea that it would pay off in the tournament, then in the very first game in the tournament in which there were literally no greater mismatches, he totally switched courses...that had nothing to do with changing things up...it was a case of him panicking...and, most importantly, no, he did not win.

 

[Dryfly88]

He went away from what he had done all year in the tournament game...he had tried to play big and cause mismatches for the course of an entire season, specifically with the idea that it would pay off in the tournament, then in the very first game in the tournament in which there were literally no greater mismatches, he totally switched courses...that had nothing to do with changing things up...it was a case of him panicking...and, most importantly, no, he did not win.

Again, what is your connection to Caleb? You have several different posts in this thread that suggest you have heard these things directly from Barnes or Caleb, is that true? If you do have a connection, then what was their (Barnes, Caleb) problem prior to the tournament? You had stated earlier that they were not happy even before the ALR game. I'm trying to figure out what they could possibly be upset about???

 

[hoosierdog1]

I bet Painter did plan on having to deal with it again because the way college basketball is today most coaches have to deal with it every year.

As for whether Painter is to blame for Barnes/Swanigan.... well if they are offended by the coach coaching his team then I don't have much sympathy for them. Swanigan is talented but he's not above coaching and if Barnes honestly thinks he was the best PF in college basketball last season then I'm not sure it was Painter whose vision was clouded. If anything, I thought Matt played Swanigan too much last season.

Me too !!

 

[mathboy]

He went away from what he had done all year in the tournament game...he had tried to play big and cause mismatches for the course of an entire season, specifically with the idea that it would pay off in the tournament, then in the very first game in the tournament in which there were literally no greater mismatches, he totally switched courses...that had nothing to do with changing things up...it was a case of him panicking...and, most importantly, no, he did not win.

Answer the question DG10. How do you know Barnes was not happy with the situation?

 

[Do Dah Day]

I am not trying to bash or stir things up by any means...nor offend.

Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. That is specific to the case of Biggie...and while Stephens' matter was different and more on Kendall than Painter, the decision to not redshirt Cline totally changed things for Kendall last year.

Ultimately though, while those are specific matters, I was actually alluding to the bigger picture and roster management problem that has persisted and continues to be an issue than I was to the specific situations of Swanigan and Stephens, although their situations are a part of the persistent problem...and my point was that Painter had contributed to the bigger picture problem more so than the Swanigan and Stephens situations specifically.

Unless I am misreading your comments, it sounds like you think Painter should have decided playing time based on the future rather than the present. Should he play guys who are not his best players just to keep them happy or to help assure they will stay?

It's kind of fun imagining Caleb at Kentucky!!!!!!!!!

 

[DG10]

Unless I am misreading your comments, it sounds like you think Painter should have decided playing time based on the future rather than the present. Should he play guys who are not his best players just to keep them happy or to help assure they will stay?

It's kind of fun imagining Caleb at Kentucky!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea how you interpreted that, as I certainly did not say that...never mind insinuate it, and it is not even applicable in Caleb's case.

 

[DG10]

Answer the question DG10. How do you know Barnes was not happy with the situation?

It is a no-win situation and everybody (including you) knows that...what is the benefit of my sharing who I know or how I know what I know, other than appeasing some on here that feel like they need to know that?

I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content.

It is not as if I am the first, or only person for that matter, to share that Barnes is/was not happy...heck, if anybody that was at the games simply paid attention to him, you would know his thoughts pretty clearly and you would not have to know him, Caleb or anyone at all affiliated with the program in any way.

 

[PurdueCF12]

Seems to me that CMP has been dealing with roster problems for several years now.

Given the two departures, if Biggie doesn't return and barring some terrific off season 5th year transfers, we likely will be having a rough season in 16-17.

Just curious your definition of "rough".

 

[PurdueCF12]

We will be fine with or without Biggie.

 

[njm8845]

The first time I've heard this whole "Barnes is unhappy" thing was a couple days ago. I'd think that if it was so obvious that Caleb was unhappy, it'd have come out during the season.

- He played some of the most minutes on the team.
-He had his best game the last regular season game.
-Painter was not at all upset, at least publicly, that he took the most important last few shots in the BTT game.

I think Barnes is playing a game; a game which he knows how to play very well.

 

[DG10]

We will be fine with or without Biggie.

Right, because McDonald's All-American players are a dime a dozen at Purdue, as are guys that average a double-double.

Is it the end of the world if he leaves? Certainly not, but no way is Purdue a better team (or program) without him, never mind it changes entirely how the team plays at the offensive end of the floor.

 

[DrEss]

Purdue can lose first round games with a McDonald's AA on the team or without. We have mastered that ability.

 

[Dryfly88]

It is a no-win situation and everybody (including you) knows that...what is the benefit of my sharing who I know or how I know what I know, other than appeasing some on here that feel like they need to know that?

I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content.

It is not as if I am the first, or only person for that matter, to share that Barnes is/was not happy...heck, if anybody that was at the games simply paid attention to him, you would know his thoughts pretty clearly and you would not have to know him, Caleb or anyone at all affiliated with the program in any way.

One more time...... What was he upset about?? The kid played all the time, got to shoot whenever he wanted to and didn't have to play the #5. It was exactly what he wanted when he came to PU.

Nobody cares who you are, what is being questioned is why you say he was unhappy even before the ALR game.

 

[Do Dah Day]

I have no idea how you interpreted that, as I certainly did not say that...never mind insinuate it, and it is not even applicable in Caleb's case.

I did preface that will "unless I am misreading your comments." But when I read this: "Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. " Then I interpret that to mean that if Swanigan had played more in the final game, he might be leaning more toward coming back. So, if Painter had played his players with the idea of getting them to come back, rather than who he thought had the best chance t win the game. I just misread your thoughts.

 

[Cleanface]

It is a no-win situation and everybody (including you) knows that...what is the benefit of my sharing who I know or how I know what I know, other than appeasing some on here that feel like they need to know that?

I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content.

It is not as if I am the first, or only person for that matter, to share that Barnes is/was not happy...heck, if anybody that was at the games simply paid attention to him, you would know his thoughts pretty clearly and you would not have to know him, Caleb or anyone at all affiliated with the program in any way.

No offense, but you seem like a giant flaming douchebag.

"I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content." *douchechills*


BTW - Sign me up to go to games next year, stare at Roosevelt Barnes, and try and figure out what's going through his head. I mean, DUH... it's so easy anybody who's anybody can do it!!

 

[DG10]

One more time...... What was he upset about?? The kid played all the time, got to shoot whenever he wanted to and didn't have to play the #5. It was exactly what he wanted when he came to PU.

Nobody cares who you are, what is being questioned is why you say he was unhappy even before the ALR game.

He was unhappy about several things...rightfully so or not. I at no point said that it made sense why he was upset, nor that I agreed (or disagreed) that he should be upset, but it was well-known that he was not happy by those in and around the program over certain things.

There is a ton more to the story of how Caleb ended up at Purdue...and while it seemingly made sense at the time after a whole lot of thought and discussion, in hindsight, it seemingly may not have made as much sense unfortunately.

It was a genuine gift to have him even at Purdue...if he leaves, it will be disappointing for sure, but I think it will be disappointing for everyone involved. Ultimately, Caleb is not the one to blame if he does leave, just as Caleb was not the one responsible for his ending up at Purdue in the first place.

 

[DG10]

I did preface that will "unless I am misreading your comments." But when I read this: "Barnes was not happy late in the year with the situation, and the tournament game was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back...so he absolutely contributed. " Then I interpret that to mean that if Swanigan had played more in the final game, he might be leaning more toward coming back. So, if Painter had played his players with the idea of getting them to come back, rather than who he thought had the best chance t win the game. I just misread your thoughts.

Fair enough...and I was not trying to be confrontational or anything, but it is not a case of had he just played more in that game that the situation would be entirely different...only that the fact that he played so little, that made the situation worse.

 

[mathboy]

It is a no-win situation and everybody (including you) knows that...what is the benefit of my sharing who I know or how I know what I know, other than appeasing some on here that feel like they need to know that?

I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content.

It is not as if I am the first, or only person for that matter, to share that Barnes is/was not happy...heck, if anybody that was at the games simply paid attention to him, you would know his thoughts pretty clearly and you would not have to know him, Caleb or anyone at all affiliated with the program in any way.

Certainly glad you are content, very content.... Of course most of us will interpret that differently than the way you intend, but considering how evasive you are being after making such a strong statement, I think we all have a pretty good read on this.

Actually, I hope you take the time to explain yourself. I think such a discussion might be of value to the rest of us. However, you are content, so that's all that matters here.

 

[DG10]

No offense, but you seem like a giant flaming douchebag.

"I am content with my knowledge of the situation...very content." *douchechills*


BTW - Sign me up to go to games next year, stare at Roosevelt Barnes, and try and figure out what's going through his head. I mean, DUH... it's so easy anybody who's anybody can do it!!

Funny, but whenever someone says "no offense", they follow it up with something offensive.

I am not offended though...you are entitled to your opinion, and you have made it clear what it is...I don't think it is fair or accurate, but such is life.

While you found my response insufficient...what difference would it have made if I had said that I am a relative...or neighbor...or co-worker...or former teammate and friend...why must I say who I am or what my relationship is or when I talked to him/them or what they said? For that matter, I never said anywhere that I did talk to him/them or quote them on anything.

I am fortunate to have some ties to the program and people that have been a part of it, and are a part of it...and I made it clear from the outset of this thread that I was not trying to bash anyone or be confrontational or stir anything up...I was simply sharing my thoughts on the matter and situation based on my own thoughts and perception as well as what I know from others.

 

[DG10]

Certainly glad you are content, very content.... Of course most of us will interpret that differently than the way you intend, but considering how evasive you are being after making such a strong statement, I think we all have a pretty good read on this.

Actually, I hope you take the time to explain yourself. I think such a discussion might be of value to the rest of us. However, you are content, so that's all that matters here.

I did not mean for what I had said to be interpreted any differently than I am indeed content with what I know about the situation, and how I know it...and I don't feel like I need to share exactly what I know or how I know it is all. As I mentioned in my response to another poster...my intent was not to draw attention to me...only to add input on the matter and conversation.

Like say, it was no secret to those in or around the program that Barnes was not happy, so I do not find that to be a strong statement as you suggest, but again, maybe you (and others) interpreted that differently than I had intended as you alluded to with regard to my other comment on the matter.

 

[Laxcats]

All you can say about Purdue athletics is to expect the unexpected. So if Caleb leaves, which we all agree would not be the best thing for Purdue men's basketball in the 2016-2017 season, maybe something good that we do not expect to happen will happen or maybe Caleb will not leave and something else good that we do not expect to happen, like Purdue making it to a bowl game in 2016, will still happen and the impetus of this will carry over to basketball and set Purdue up for a great sports year in 2016-2017.

 

[Cleanface]

Funny, but whenever someone says "no offense", they follow it up with something offensive.

Yeah, that's the joke.

Congrats.

So if Caleb leaves, which we all agree would not be the best thing for Purdue men's basketball in the 2016-2017 season, maybe something good that we do not expect to happen will happen or maybe Caleb will not leave and something else good that we do not expect to happen, like Purdue making it to a bowl game in 2016, will still happen and the impetus of this will carry over to basketball and set Purdue up for a great sports year in 2016-2017.

 

[nagemj02]

"Biggie leaving only compounds that, but graduating 5 guys after '17 compounds it further potentially."

DG10, the 5 players (Smotherman, V. Edwards, Haas, Mathias, Thompson) will be graduating (or at least completing their eligibility) in '18, not '17.

 

[Dryfly88]

He was unhappy about several things...rightfully so or not. I at no point said that it made sense why he was upset, nor that I agreed (or disagreed) that he should be upset, but it was well-known that he was not happy by those in and around the program over certain things.

There is a ton more to the story of how Caleb ended up at Purdue...and while it seemingly made sense at the time after a whole lot of thought and discussion, in hindsight, it seemingly may not have made as much sense unfortunately.

It was a genuine gift to have him even at Purdue...if he leaves, it will be disappointing for sure, but I think it will be disappointing for everyone involved. Ultimately, Caleb is not the one to blame if he does leave, just as Caleb was not the one responsible for his ending up at Purdue in the first place.

One last time...... WHAT WAS HE UPSET ABOUT? For Gods sake it's not that tough man, you have said repeatedly that he and Barnes were upset prior to the tournament.

It's beginning to look like you are just trying to get attention. Like the little kid who says he has a secret. If that's not your intention I think you have several on here fooled (including me). Either tell the reason/reasons or just admit you don't know anymore than anyone else. I don't care who you are or how you know, I just want to hear specifically what they were upset about because it certainly can't be the obvious things (playing time, shots or playing the #5).

 

[DG10]

"Biggie leaving only compounds that, but graduating 5 guys after '17 compounds it further potentially."

DG10, the 5 players (Smotherman, V. Edwards, Haas, Mathias, Thompson) will be graduating (or at least completing their eligibility) in '18, not '17.

Yes, I was not clear...I meant after '17-'18 season, not in '17 (after '16-'17)...sorry for not having been clear on that point.

 

[DG10]

One last time...... WHAT WAS HE UPSET ABOUT? For Gods sake it's not that tough man, you have said repeatedly that he and Barnes were upset prior to the tournament.

It's beginning to look like you are just trying to get attention. Like the little kid who says he has a secret. If that's not your intention I think you have several on here fooled (including me). Either tell the reason/reasons or just admit you don't know anymore than anyone else. I don't care who you are or how you know, I just want to hear specifically what they were upset about because it certainly can't be the obvious things (playing time, shots or playing the #5).

There were things that he was upset about, and I never said that Caleb was upset before the tournament...or that THAT was an issue. He was not happy certainly after what happened in the UALR game, but I mentioned it already, the issue is not that Caleb is unhappy or upset about things...heck, Caleb was not happy necessarily about ending up at Purdue in the first place...did not stop him from being the hardest worker on the team, being a really good player and finding a role and succeeding...nor would it be an issue if he were to return.

I specifically am not/did not intend for this to be a case of trying to gain attention...that said, I am not going to share specifics. You may perceive that as my being like a little kid that says he has a secret, but I see it as a case of things that were not meant to be public are not being made public, at least not by me in that I am in no way involved. You can in turn be pissed at me or what not, but it seems that there are other more pertinent parties that are involved (or should be) that it makes more sense to direct that at.

For that matter, what difference does it even make as to what reason(s) he was/is upset about...if he was/is upset, that is all that matters. Barnes has already stated on record that he believes that Caleb is the best power forward in college basketball...which I had suggested was delusional, but no doubt others would disagree with the notion...yet, if that is what he feels/believes, that is all that matters, as that is what has been his thought before Caleb played at Purdue, while Caleb played at Purdue, and what he will believe until he is drafted (whenever that may be).

Regardless, I will refrain from posting moving forward on the matter.