If Morgan Burke won't do the right thing and fire both himself and Hazell, then he needs to feel some heat. Perhaps an organized effort directed at the corporate sponsors and corporate season ticket holders. Dare I say a boycott of those businesses that continue to support this trash?
Perhaps drastic action by the alumni and fans is needed:
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His contract is up after this next year. We don't go bowling I can assure you everyone is gone. Shoops needs to go number one then Hudson . I only say that because I think he's terrible. But also because I think Hudson had a better resume coming in. I keep thinking back to the office of Cordinator with the Bears. Watch some of those games and it looks like our games being called
Seriously what OC or DC worth a damn would join this sinking ship next year?
Firing coaches and AD's sounds like fun. Let's line 'em up and just shoot them. We could get the Donald to do a whole show on this... "You are fired!" However, we really should understand what is missing, and how we got here before we take corrective actions.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
As with everything in life, it all comes down to money. You pay for what you get for.
Not a dime of my money for anything (all sports and school fund raisers) until Morgan is gone.
When they call (like every week) for money, I simply ask if Morgan is still there. When they reply "yes", I thank them for their time and ask them to call back when he's gone.
I refuse to fund his high 6-figure salary year after year.
When they call (like every week) for money, I simply ask if Morgan is still there. When they reply "yes", I thank them for their time and ask them to call back when he's gone.
I refuse to fund his high 6-figure salary year after year.
I agree with almost everything you said. However, you can still make play calls that makes sense. We are not creative. You can't tell me if we had Brian Kelly from Notre Dame going to plays we want to be a hell of a lot better . The QBs are what you say they are. However Elijah I can assure you is Big Ten caliber if not more. But when you're this bed I agree it's a combination of probably coaching in talent. But the one thing you can control is what please you call for what players.Firing coaches and AD's sounds like fun. Let's line 'em up and just shoot them. We could get the Donald to do a whole show on this... "You are fired!" However, we really should understand what is missing, and how we got here before we take corrective actions.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
I agree totally, Al McGuire said great players make great coaches. Also, Look at the Phila. Eagles, Kelley all of a sudden is a lousy coach? in college he just got tons of super players, but in the pros , he got ok QB's , one good rb, receivers that don't get separation, a D that's on the field all the time,and a team w/ no identity.Firing coaches and AD's sounds like fun. Let's line 'em up and just shoot them. We could get the Donald to do a whole show on this... "You are fired!" However, we really should understand what is missing, and how we got here before we take corrective actions.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
That is the only strategy that will get Daniels attention on this issue.
The Adninistration is in denial. I received the Purdue Alumnus Magazine a week ago which has a lead article titled "Purdue Football "Football Financials - How to keep a competitive pace in the Big Ten while maintaining proper perspective". Long title to say we are not competing. Then in their Feb courses retreat in Naples, FL both Burke and Hazell are speaking to alumni about Purdue football. Why anyone would attend to hear a bunch of rationalization is beyond me.
Um... have you seen recruiting this year? Things won't be better next year. Its going to be a permanent loop unless we can outscheme/coach our way into a bowl with the talent we have.Firing coaches and AD's sounds like fun. Let's line 'em up and just shoot them. We could get the Donald to do a whole show on this... "You are fired!" However, we really should understand what is missing, and how we got here before we take corrective actions.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
As with everything in life, it all comes down to money. You pay for what you get for.
??? Well we certainly have not gotten what we paid for! Not with Haz and friends $1,150,000.00 per win is no bargain especially since Hopes last wins were only $162,500.00 each! Hazell wins cost 7x more money, and come with unbearable shame in the losses.
??? Well we certainly have not gotten what we paid for! Not with Haz and friends $1,150,000.00 per win is no bargain especially since Hopes last wins were only $162,500.00 each! Hazell wins cost 7x more money, and come with unbearable shame in the losses.
Kelley at Philly is still a good coach. But he is a lousy GM.I agree totally, Al McGuire said great players make great coaches. Also, Look at the Phila. Eagles, Kelley all of a sudden is a lousy coach? in college he just got tons of super players, but in the pros , he got ok QB's , one good rb, receivers that don't get separation, a D that's on the field all the time,and a team w/ no identity.
We're in a death spiral right now. Poor performance on the field leads to poor recruiting if you show NO SIGNS OF IMPROVEMENT WHATSOEVER!!! Nobody wants to be part of this train wreck. That's why we need a change in coaching staff and let them start from scratch.
Well said and spot on. It is time to clean house NOW, starting with Burke and the entire football coaching staff.
That answer is an easy one based on individual recruit rating (stars) and team rankings. It is a resounding NO.Firing coaches and AD's sounds like fun. Let's line 'em up and just shoot them. We could get the Donald to do a whole show on this... "You are fired!" However, we really should understand what is missing, and how we got here before we take corrective actions.
My observation is that we have too few kids that have BIG size and speed. We have a few, but if they get dinged, we are super thin, and cannot replace them in kind. I think our QBs are okay, not great, but okay. I think our WR are too slow and not playmakers. The RB (Jones is a BIG player) is thin. Defense has almost no players that I would consider BIG capable. With this talent, nobody is going to be successful as a coach. No offensive play calls will work, no matter what football genius calls the plays.
I think any resurgence of Purdue football must start with better recruiting. Simply replacing the coach or the assistant coaches may not change our recruiting direction. We must understand why we are not recruiting at the level we need. We need to answer the question of whether we are starting to recruit better in the last couple years before we jerk the program around.
Then you promote within. You have to do something to try and change. Changing OC in Indy and firing almost everyone but the head coach has some spark in Detroit. I understand that is the pros but there must be some kind of effort to improve and Shoop and Hudson need to be replaced.
mathboy, you are correct in many of your points, however, ISN'T RECRUITING A MAJOR COACHING RESPONSIBILITY? If the recruiting is not there (as you suggest) then that is on the coaches.
Today's game was embarrassing. Purdue played not only poorly but also in an undisciplined and dirty manner. Ridiculous personl fouls after the play multiple times for which there is no excuse. Also, they remained unpunished by the coaches for the most part.
I WAS a supporter but you have to face the reality: this staff has lost the team and they have not performed.
Is it all H's fault? No, I blame Burke. He violated the key axiom of successful strategic management - do not starve the cash cows (BB and FB) in favor of the non-revenue sports. This is a key part of the BCG matrix taught at Krannert in the graduate program. MB claims to be a business executive. He has failed miserably.
Today's game was embarrassing. Purdue played not only poorly but also in an undisciplined and dirty manner. Ridiculous personl fouls after the play multiple times for which there is no excuse. Also, they remained unpunished by the coaches for the most part.
I WAS a supporter but you have to face the reality: this staff has lost the team and they have not performed.
Is it all H's fault? No, I blame Burke. He violated the key axiom of successful strategic management - do not starve the cash cows (BB and FB) in favor of the non-revenue sports. This is a key part of the BCG matrix taught at Krannert in the graduate program. MB claims to be a business executive. He has failed miserably.
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Wasn't he a lawyer in HR? I don't think he ever had P&L responsibilities.
My understanding (perhaps in error) is that MB was an HR guy but not an attorney. HR guys as a general rule do not have P&L responsibilty.
Not only that, but we also lose some of our better players this year. And that's assuming we won't see any current players jump ship.
Not as much as I like 2-10 or 3 in a row. I hope they keep Hazel forever. Hell I would donate to John Purdue club for that.
I agree. We have not. Got better results w Hope for much less. My point was, if you want a Harbough, Myer (not saying we would get someone of that caliber) you have to pay for it. Maybe it was a bad hire on Morgan. Maybe on DH's hires. Either way, we're paying enough or close to it bring some talented coaches in, regardless of our record. There are a lot of great coaches not at the top 15 schools in the nation. I like DH, Parker .... Just not sold at all Shoops. Have not been from the beginning.
I think you are on the right track. What makes you think starving the cash cows, as you put it, was MB's idea? Has he always starved those poor cows? He didn't during the best of the Tiller era or with Keady. He isn't starving the currently. Why did he go through a 6-year funk ?
I have my answer. Just waiting to see when everyone else gets there.
Actually, based upon Painter's comments during the Missouri flirtation I think that MB was doing that. Also, Tiller made not dissimilar comments iirc. So it appears to be a long term problem.
Also, if the starvation was not MB's problem, then why was he at least a collaborator in the process? On what basis would we conclude that he had objection to the situation? If he did have objection, he did a wonderful job of hiding any that he did have.
Also, if the starvation was not MB's problem, then why was he at least a collaborator in the process? On what basis would we conclude that he had objection to the situation? If he did have objection, he did a wonderful job of hiding any that he did have.
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IU Football is still the worst historical program in the BIG. And it's not really close.
Hazell won't be around forever. Enjoy your first bowl since 2007 and third since 1993. What happens next year when Sudfeld is gone?
Yes congratulations to them on the 2-6 conference record. Wonderful progress.
They suck less than we do.
Congrats again.
Purdue President Council offering for February 13, 2016 in Naples, FL - I cannot imagine how bad this talk will be.
Boilermaker Football Master Plan: Boiler up and learn the latest updates about the Boilermaker Football Master Plan, including the most current designs of the Football Performance Complex and South End Zone, “user-group” data, and project timelines. In addition, both the season and the 2016 Boilermaker Football recruiting class will be points of discussion.Morgan Burke • Vice President-Director of Intercollegiate AthleticsDarrell Hazell • Head Football Coach
http://www.purdue.edu/udo/naples/naples-booklet.pdf
Boilermaker Football Master Plan: Boiler up and learn the latest updates about the Boilermaker Football Master Plan, including the most current designs of the Football Performance Complex and South End Zone, “user-group” data, and project timelines. In addition, both the season and the 2016 Boilermaker Football recruiting class will be points of discussion.Morgan Burke • Vice President-Director of Intercollegiate AthleticsDarrell Hazell • Head Football Coach
http://www.purdue.edu/udo/naples/naples-booklet.pdf
