past recruiting

[njm8845]

I was thinking about how Purdue’s turnaround from 2013 was impressive considering the 2013 recruiting class was a complete bust. I think we are now seeing how deep a team we can be when Painter starts stringing together successful recruiting classes, something he has failed to do.

The 2014 class was an absolute home run, and I think in a few years we’ll say the same thing about the 2017 class.

I created a simple metric (some may say too simplistic) to look at how Purdue’s past classes have turned out. I only included four year players. And no, I don’t think the 2014 class is better than the 2007 class.

2016 – 2 total
C. Edwards - Exceeded- 2

2015 – 3 total
C. Swanigan – Exceeded - 2
R. Cline – Met - 1
G. Weatherford – Did not pan out – 0

2014 – 8 total
I. Haas – Exceeded – 2
V. Edwards – Exceeded – 2
PJ Thompson – Exceeded – 2
D. Mathias – Exceeded – 2
J. Taylor – Did not pan out – 0

2013 – 0 Total
B. Smotherman – Did not pan out – 0
K. Stephens – Did not pan out – 0
B. Scott – Did not pan out – 0

2012 – 4 Total
AJ Hammons – Exceeded – 2
R. Davis – Exceeded – 2
R. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0
J. Simpson – Did not pan out – 0

2011 – 0 Total
D. Hale – Did not pan out – 0
J. Lawson – Did not pan out – 0

2010 – 3 Total
T. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
T. Carrol – Met – 1
A. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0

2009 – 2 Total
DJ Byrd – Exceeded – 2
S. Marcius – Did not pan out – 0
K. Barlow – Did not pan out – 0
P. Bade – Did not pan out – 0

2008 – 3 Total
R. Smith – Met - 1
L. Jackson – Exceeded - 2
J. Hart – Did not pan out – 0

2007 – 6 Total
R. Hummel – Exceeded – 2
J. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
E. Moore – Exceeded – 2
S. Martin – Did not pan out - 0

 

[BoilerBiker]

someone confirmed that the budget increased in 2011-12, which would begin to take effect with that 14 class.

considering painters share of 4 stars even before that time, I would anticipate both a continuation of the higher rated players and guys who fit the system/pan out with the increased $ resources

 

[TC4THREE]

I'd like to point out that the 2013 class was probably the most hyped class since 2007.

My issues with grades:

Ryne Smith - could argue for a 2
Marcius - I would say a solid 1. He contributed but unfortunately didn't stay the last year.
Barlow - I would also go 1. He contributed while he was here.
Carroll - Don't want to go 0, but I wouldn't say he met expectations either. I guess it depends on what expectations you're talking about.
Ronnie Johnson - I'd go -1.
Stephens - He did enough to warrant a 1 I think. Started alot and hit some big shots.
Taylor - Too early to make this call. Still 2 years left and appears to have some ability if he can make it to the court.
Edwards - Too early to give him a 2 although he could be on his way to one imo.

 

[PU52Chevy]

Taylor I say is TBD.......

I also am assuming your ratings are for on the court achievements which is the 50% part that counts for wins and losses, but not sure they include the other 50% of what a student athlete is and how they earned their degree, were great teammates and represented the university and alumni in a positive way.

 

[nitrowars]

No matter what winning the Big Ten and his record is one heck of a achievement with those classes!

 

[njm8845]

I'd like to point out that the 2013 class was probably the most hyped class since 2007.

Yeah, we can argue about the grades probably all day long. I also don't really like the terms "Exceeded" and "met", but didn't know what else to call it. I thought about "Major Impact" and "Role" player. I don't know, I think people understand the goal.

Ryne Smith - Agreed he should be a 2. I put him at a 1 because he offered almost nothing his first two years here
Marcius - He scored 156 points over 3 years. That's about a bucket a game. I don't think that's much of a contribution.
Barlow - I would also go 1.
Carroll - He was a solid role player. Definitely didn't meet the expectations I had when he first committed, but that's part of the problem with using the terms "Exceeded".
Ronnie Johnson - There are no negative numbers. I can say that because I made up this metric.
Stephens - He did enough to warrant a 1 I think. Sure. Agreed
Taylor - TBD seems like a fair score. Although I side with the skeptical fans here who think it's more likely he won't contribute than will contribute.
Edwards - Probably shouldn't have included his class in this assessment.

 

[njm8845]

someone confirmed that the budget increased in 2011-12, which would begin to take effect with that 14 class.

considering painters share of 4 stars even before that time, I would anticipate both a continuation of the higher rated players and guys who fit the system/pan out with the increased $ resources

A trend seems to be having a large class as a base every few years. These are 2007, 2012, 2014, and 2017.

To have a successful team, you need to compliment those big classes with nice players in between. The problem was that from 2009-2011, 6 of 9 players did not pan out.

2014 was a great base, and Painter did a great job of filling in the cracks. 2017 is the next big base class, and I think the recruiting uptick will continue.

 

[tjreese]

someone confirmed that the budget increased in 2011-12, which would begin to take effect with that 14 class.

considering painters share of 4 stars even before that time, I would anticipate both a continuation of the higher rated players and guys who fit the system/pan out with the increased $ resources

I don't recall a confirmation, but I did mention when Matt flirted with leaving that the budget increased and probably took effect on juniors in high school or the 2014 class

 

[TC4THREE]

I also think Haas could be a 1. I think what he has done to date has been good but it's pretty much what I expected him to do. Maybe I'm taking him for granted though. If he has a decent season this year (comparable to last season) he'll finish with about 1500 points and 600 rebounds. Pretty good production for someone that hasn't even averaged 20 mpg in his first three seasons.

 

[Boiler Buck]

It will be interesting to see how the 2017 & 18 classes grade out with your system. They fill needs, sure....but to me, class goal should be a B1G title under their belt before they leave. Hope the 17/18's can get that done before they leave!

 

[BoilerDaddy]

There are 5 players who really stand out and probably merit a 3. They are Moore, Hummel, JJ, Hammons, and Swanigan, with Vince Edwards potentially joining them with a great senior season.

 

[Boilersss]

There are 5 players who really stand out and probably merit a 3. They are Moore, Hummel, JJ, Hammons, and Swanigan, with Vince Edwards potentially joining them with a great senior season.

I wouldn't put Hammons in with those other guys. He was never on a Big Ten championship team, and he never even won a tournament game. I would actually probably give AJ a "1". He had the potential to be an all-american, but didn't have the drive.

 

[Fansince72]

I think Defensive Player of the year for 2015 qualifies him for a 3.

 

[Boilersss]

I think Defensive Player of the year for 2015 qualifies him for a 3.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[mathboy]

I was thinking about how Purdue’s turnaround from 2013 was impressive considering the 2013 recruiting class was a complete bust. I think we are now seeing how deep a team we can be when Painter starts stringing together successful recruiting classes, something he has failed to do.

The 2014 class was an absolute home run, and I think in a few years we’ll say the same thing about the 2017 class.

I created a simple metric (some may say too simplistic) to look at how Purdue’s past classes have turned out. I only included four year players. And no, I don’t think the 2014 class is better than the 2007 class.

2016 – 2 total
C. Edwards - Exceeded- 2

2015 – 3 total
C. Swanigan – Exceeded - 2
R. Cline – Met - 1
G. Weatherford – Did not pan out – 0

2014 – 8 total
I. Haas – Exceeded – 2
V. Edwards – Exceeded – 2
PJ Thompson – Exceeded – 2
D. Mathias – Exceeded – 2
J. Taylor – Did not pan out – 0

2013 – 0 Total
B. Smotherman – Did not pan out – 0
K. Stephens – Did not pan out – 0
B. Scott – Did not pan out – 0

2012 – 4 Total
AJ Hammons – Exceeded – 2
R. Davis – Exceeded – 2
R. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0
J. Simpson – Did not pan out – 0

2011 – 0 Total
D. Hale – Did not pan out – 0
J. Lawson – Did not pan out – 0

2010 – 3 Total
T. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
T. Carrol – Met – 1
A. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0

2009 – 2 Total
DJ Byrd – Exceeded – 2
S. Marcius – Did not pan out – 0
K. Barlow – Did not pan out – 0
P. Bade – Did not pan out – 0

2008 – 3 Total
R. Smith – Met - 1
L. Jackson – Exceeded - 2
J. Hart – Did not pan out – 0

2007 – 6 Total
R. Hummel – Exceeded – 2
J. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
E. Moore – Exceeded – 2
S. Martin – Did not pan out - 0

Interesting metrics. Suggest you try an average of all the scores to remove the bias toward larger classes.

 

[BoilerAndy]

I was thinking about how Purdue’s turnaround from 2013 was impressive considering the 2013 recruiting class was a complete bust. I think we are now seeing how deep a team we can be when Painter starts stringing together successful recruiting classes, something he has failed to do.

The 2014 class was an absolute home run, and I think in a few years we’ll say the same thing about the 2017 class.

I created a simple metric (some may say too simplistic) to look at how Purdue’s past classes have turned out. I only included four year players. And no, I don’t think the 2014 class is better than the 2007 class.

2016 – 2 total
C. Edwards - Exceeded- 2

2015 – 3 total
C. Swanigan – Exceeded - 2
R. Cline – Met - 1
G. Weatherford – Did not pan out – 0

2014 – 8 total
I. Haas – Exceeded – 2
V. Edwards – Exceeded – 2
PJ Thompson – Exceeded – 2
D. Mathias – Exceeded – 2
J. Taylor – Did not pan out – 0

2013 – 0 Total
B. Smotherman – Did not pan out – 0
K. Stephens – Did not pan out – 0
B. Scott – Did not pan out – 0

2012 – 4 Total
AJ Hammons – Exceeded – 2
R. Davis – Exceeded – 2
R. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0
J. Simpson – Did not pan out – 0

2011 – 0 Total
D. Hale – Did not pan out – 0
J. Lawson – Did not pan out – 0

2010 – 3 Total
T. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
T. Carrol – Met – 1
A. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0

2009 – 2 Total
DJ Byrd – Exceeded – 2
S. Marcius – Did not pan out – 0
K. Barlow – Did not pan out – 0
P. Bade – Did not pan out – 0

2008 – 3 Total
R. Smith – Met - 1
L. Jackson – Exceeded - 2
J. Hart – Did not pan out – 0

2007 – 6 Total
R. Hummel – Exceeded – 2
J. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
E. Moore – Exceeded – 2
S. Martin – Did not pan out - 0

Don't count J. Taylor out yet. Just sayin'.

 

[StickPurdue]

I was thinking about how Purdue’s turnaround from 2013 was impressive considering the 2013 recruiting class was a complete bust. I think we are now seeing how deep a team we can be when Painter starts stringing together successful recruiting classes, something he has failed to do.

The 2014 class was an absolute home run, and I think in a few years we’ll say the same thing about the 2017 class.

I created a simple metric (some may say too simplistic) to look at how Purdue’s past classes have turned out. I only included four year players. And no, I don’t think the 2014 class is better than the 2007 class.

2016 – 2 total
C. Edwards - Exceeded- 2

2015 – 3 total
C. Swanigan – Exceeded - 2
R. Cline – Met - 1
G. Weatherford – Did not pan out – 0

2014 – 8 total
I. Haas – Exceeded – 2
V. Edwards – Exceeded – 2
PJ Thompson – Exceeded – 2
D. Mathias – Exceeded – 2
J. Taylor – Did not pan out – 0

2013 – 0 Total
B. Smotherman – Did not pan out – 0
K. Stephens – Did not pan out – 0
B. Scott – Did not pan out – 0

2012 – 4 Total
AJ Hammons – Exceeded – 2
R. Davis – Exceeded – 2
R. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0
J. Simpson – Did not pan out – 0

2011 – 0 Total
D. Hale – Did not pan out – 0
J. Lawson – Did not pan out – 0

2010 – 3 Total
T. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
T. Carrol – Met – 1
A. Johnson – Did not pan out – 0

2009 – 2 Total
DJ Byrd – Exceeded – 2
S. Marcius – Did not pan out – 0
K. Barlow – Did not pan out – 0
P. Bade – Did not pan out – 0

2008 – 3 Total
R. Smith – Met - 1
L. Jackson – Exceeded - 2
J. Hart – Did not pan out – 0

2007 – 6 Total
R. Hummel – Exceeded – 2
J. Johnson – Exceeded – 2
E. Moore – Exceeded – 2
S. Martin – Did not pan out - 0

You gave Byrd a 2. I would give him a .5 in fairness. He always seemed to go cold when it was important and he was fairly highly rated coming in so the expectations were high. I went with .5 because I don't think he met expectations but it isn't entirely fair to say he didn't pan out. I held my breath every time he touched the ball, hoping he would quickly pass it. He didn't have much around him, but there is no way he deserves the same score as the baby boilers or any of the '14 class.

 

[JohnnyDoeBoiler]

Don't count J. Taylor out yet. Just sayin'.

I was waiting for OB to get here to say that!

 

[guppy likes purdue]

I think most of the ratings are a bit soft especially on players who only really played because they were on bad teams. It is also hard to really judge recruits. I do not really trust ratings ever since a player I knew was recruited and the articles written about his character were so wrong it was hilarious.

Here is my judgement on recruits. I am going to judge them as mid major 1. high major 2, or contender 3 and 3+ for guys that are conteder level from day 1 This is based on how they looked to me when they arrived on campus day one and also accounts for athleticm/potential. I tried to also not be results orientated. Attitude should be considered as well but I really cant judge. If they panned out or not is another story Like Stevens on paper should of been a good player..

2016
C. Edwards -3

2015
C. Swanigan – 3+
R. Cline - 3
G. Weatherford – 1

2014
I. Haas– 3
V. Edwards – 3 (really close to 3+)
PJ Thompson– 1 (I am going to get flack for this but Thompson does not have the body of a a high major guard)
D. Mathias –2 ( really hard with this one because of how good he has turned out to be)
J. Taylor – 2

2013 –
B. Smotherman – 2
K. Stephens – 3
B. Scott -2

2012 –
AJ Hammons – 3+( Hammons was the best player from day 1 he would of not been a 4 year player if he was not "impressively Lazy" as described by a teammates)
R. Davis – 3
R. Johnson – 2 (never understood the hype he put up numbers on a horrid team)
J. Simpson -2 (shame about the heart)

2011
D. Hale – 1 (pair of undersized unskilled athletic bigs)
J. Lawson – 1

2010
T. Johnson – 3 ( though he never developed well)
T. Carrol – 1 ( good example of disparity between rankings and play, from day one it was apparent he was not a high major athlete)
A. Johnson –2

2009
DJ Byrd- 2 (really a head scratcher he was called a top 3 shooter in the country coming out of highschool by espn and he never really cood shoot that well)
S. Marcius – 2
K. Barlow – 2
P. Bade – 0 (needs a lower category unskilled small and un-athletic zero chance to ever contribute )

2008
R. Smith – 1 (unpopular but Smith was small and one dimensional really more of a mid major skill set)
L. Jackson – 3
J. Hart – 1

2007
R. Hummel – 3+ (I would consider hummel an actual 5 star recruit for example)
J. Johnson – 3
E. Moore – 3+
S. Martin -- 3


As a fan its hard to judge because we do not have a ton of knowledge to know which recruits are actually highly coveted by top programs or just have hype. Travis Carrol had a lot of hype coming in but it was apparent Some players just develop better, there is always great mid major guards in the big dance but I do not think it was necesarilly a mistake that they were passed on by bigger programs in the first place (not always though steph curry scorred 20 points a game day 1). 2

I am not saying my rankings are concrete Mathias work ethic might of raised him a notch. Thompson is a role player and while he has filled that role well I think it is a recruiting failure to get to that point in the first place.

Its too early for this year but Eastern has looked borderline 3-3+ Wheeler looks like a solid 3 just in potential, Haarms looks like a 3, Stevonivic 2-3 he has looked better than I thought he would. Ewing is in the 1-2 territory since he is older.

Painter will probably never be a great recruiter and Purdue is not easy to recruit to I doubt he will ever have another 2007. He has done a much better job since 2012 and has only been trending up. Next years class is looking pretty good especially if they land Cambell but all three current guys look to be around 3s. He is recruiting at a level to make Purdue a fixture in the tourney just probably not at the top lines of the bracket who knows maybe we will get lucky one year. .