I like Painter; he's a good coach, but there is a cap on Purdue bball with him as coach. It is truly amazing what a coach can do for recruiting, regardless of the program. The second Wake Forest got Danny Manning, the quality of interested and committed players has drastically increased. I'm pissed about the Swanigan crap, and this is maybe me venting, but still...it's the truth.
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Meh
On paper, I'm content with 4 stars like DJ Byrd, Anthony Johnson, Terone Johnson, Ronnie Johnson, AJ Hammons, Raphael Davis, Bryson Scott, Kendall Stephens, Basil Smotherman, Isaac Haas, and Vince Edwards. Some of them just haven't worked out. I'm not gonna cry every time we miss out on a 5 star. Having four or five 4 stars on the roster with a mix of three stars should be good enough to contend in the Big Ten most years.
On paper, I'm content with 4 stars like DJ Byrd, Anthony Johnson, Terone Johnson, Ronnie Johnson, AJ Hammons, Raphael Davis, Bryson Scott, Kendall Stephens, Basil Smotherman, Isaac Haas, and Vince Edwards. Some of them just haven't worked out. I'm not gonna cry every time we miss out on a 5 star. Having four or five 4 stars on the roster with a mix of three stars should be good enough to contend in the Big Ten most years.
Re: Meh
I know my posts can come across very optimistic, but actually I am a very middle of the road guy. I am not wrapped up in winning or losing like some on here because after you get shot at a few times, you realize there is more to life than that. My whole point with being behind Painter is that things have to play themselves out. When the team lost early on in the season and many on here gave up, I said just let the season play out ... and look what happened.
So far this program is doing nothing but trending up. I will start to worry about Painter when we trend down and stay there but he is smart enough to get the players he needs to fit his system to be successful.
One thing is also for sure, this board doesn't handle "bad news" very well .. at .. all. And immediately seems to jump off the deep end.
This. The pieces are there for a successful season over the next couple with or without Swanigan.
I know my posts can come across very optimistic, but actually I am a very middle of the road guy. I am not wrapped up in winning or losing like some on here because after you get shot at a few times, you realize there is more to life than that. My whole point with being behind Painter is that things have to play themselves out. When the team lost early on in the season and many on here gave up, I said just let the season play out ... and look what happened.
So far this program is doing nothing but trending up. I will start to worry about Painter when we trend down and stay there but he is smart enough to get the players he needs to fit his system to be successful.
One thing is also for sure, this board doesn't handle "bad news" very well .. at .. all. And immediately seems to jump off the deep end.
Didn't Butler make the Natty two years in a row??
Frggin' BUTLER?!?!?
Now Wisco makes it. A school we have the best Head to Head record against save PSU, NEB, and NW.
Frustrating. I believe Painter can get us there. I have to.
@SIBoiler thanks for the ignore! Goodman is a great source. He knows his stuff. If he says Swanigan is going to Cal, then I'm going to believe it. Am I "WRITING" it off? Sure, but I have reason to. I'm as die-hard of a Boiler fan as one can be, and I know this Purdue team has a bunch of talent, but that is besides the point.
The point, is Painter continues to fail in getting a BIG recruit. Guess what? I'm going to rant about it when it happens time after time. Deal with it. Recruiting wins in college bball. People want to act like Wisconsin didn't have Dekker - a top 20 player coming out of high school - or Koenig - who was being recruited by UNC and Duke. Just stop it and put yourself on ignore.
The point, is Painter continues to fail in getting a BIG recruit. Guess what? I'm going to rant about it when it happens time after time. Deal with it. Recruiting wins in college bball. People want to act like Wisconsin didn't have Dekker - a top 20 player coming out of high school - or Koenig - who was being recruited by UNC and Duke. Just stop it and put yourself on ignore.
Are you serious?
The Final Four is NOT an accomplishment based on paper. Butler made it to the Final Four two years in a row (!!) with 2 four star players on their team. UCONN won a national championship last year as a 7 seed. There's been a 7+ seed in each of the last three Final Fours.
10/16 #1 seeds didn't' make a Final Four in the last 4 years (this year was actually quite an anomaly).
Anyone that says they know whether someone can or cannot get to a Final Four is delusional.
This post was edited on 4/10 5:53 PM by lbodel
The Final Four is NOT an accomplishment based on paper. Butler made it to the Final Four two years in a row (!!) with 2 four star players on their team. UCONN won a national championship last year as a 7 seed. There's been a 7+ seed in each of the last three Final Fours.
10/16 #1 seeds didn't' make a Final Four in the last 4 years (this year was actually quite an anomaly).
Anyone that says they know whether someone can or cannot get to a Final Four is delusional.
This post was edited on 4/10 5:53 PM by lbodel
He can. People forget that Purdue was a FF favorite before Hummel went down and the way we were playing was likely to get there.
He's starting to put the pieces together and I really think we will see some headway towards that here over the next couple years. There is a lot of talent on the current squad.
That 2007 class was special, and did have some ability but we haven't come close to replicating what we had then. Painter needs to land some more talent like that if we are to have any chance to win big. I look at this roster and see some solid players, but I don't see a JJ (JJ > AJH), I don't see a Hummel (Robbie>Edwards even considering Robbie as a true freshman, when he was 1st team all B1G) and there is no one on the same page as Moore. You need top 30 or 40 talent to compete unless you are an out of this world coach. Those 3 were all top 30 type of players in college bball their junior and senior years. No one on our current squad is in that range, and that is exactly why we need to land some more guys that have the ability to difference makers, which are typically guys ranked high (like Moore and JJ).
TIMO, the reason Purdue didn't go to a FF wasn't because Hummel got injured -- it was because his replacement was nobody. Literally nobody. We didn't even have a "below average" power forward. That same reason killed the next year before it began too. Plus, better teams than us fail to reach the FF. There was no guarantee we'd have made it even as a 1 seed. IIRC, we were right on the border of 1 and 2 seeds when Hummel went down, and we have not had good late February and March records under Painter.
Second, the current team is not bad but it's nowhere near that level. That team had 3 potential AAs + DPOY in a strong B1G. The Baby Boiler class was ranked #4 or #5 nationally by Rivals -- and would have been higher if not for a very talented freshman class that year.
Just watching the FF this year, I realized going to a FF is extremely difficult for a school like us. Look at this year's participants: Kentucky, Duke, MSU, Wisconsin. Every year, 2 slots are filled by 2 of these ten schools: Duke, UNC, UK, MSU, Kansas, UCLA, Uconn, Louisville, Florida and occasionally OSU. Everyone else is competing for the remaining two spots. We haven't even come close yet in 10 years and yet people are happy about occasionally contending in B1G.
Read the article I linked below. This is the part that got me:
What exactly is wrong with the culture, fellas? At that point, after all, the Badgers had made it to the NCAA tournament 14 consecutive times, appeared in one Final Four, two regional finals and six Sweet 16s, won three Big Ten regular-season crowns and two more conference tourney titles.
I mean... That's better than what we've accomplished in the last 10 years... and Wisconsin players were talking about changing the culture. I feel like that's exactly what we need -- to change the culture.
Sorry for the rant, and this is certainly not to criticize what you wrote, but it discourages me to read "We can occasionally contend for a B1G title" as if anyone in college basketball in this age cares about the B1G or any other conference titles. Who won the B1G 3 years ago? I don't have a clue. But we still remember VCU or Butler.
Or friggin Duke.
Changing the culture
Painter's ceiling is no lower than the ceiling of the 2010 and 2011 teams before Robbie got hurt. We can debate what the ceiling of those teams was, but I believe that they had a chance to win a national championship both seasons.
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A couple things....
1. You're right on Hummel...kind of. Of course, if he didn't go down, we would have been a favorite still. But we didn't have depth. One thing you look at our current team - albeit a decision with Hammons still to be made - is that we have built depth. Behind Hammons, Haas. Behind Edwards, Smotherman. You have Stephens/Mathias. Davis can fill multiple areas.
2. You can't look at ONE Final Four and make determinations. This was the first time in 7 years that 3 #1 seeds made the Final Four. And in the last 7 years, only one other had even 2 #1 seeds make the Final Four. So to act like this is the norm is not true. There's also been a 7+ seed in each of the last four Final Fours. And in the last 7 years, out of 28 teams - only 13 were #1 or #2 seeds. And 3 of those were this year. So take out this year and the 10/24 teams in the previous 6 years were 1/2 seeds.
So to act like the Final Four is always stacked with teams we could never compete with is absolutely misleading.
1. You're right on Hummel...kind of. Of course, if he didn't go down, we would have been a favorite still. But we didn't have depth. One thing you look at our current team - albeit a decision with Hammons still to be made - is that we have built depth. Behind Hammons, Haas. Behind Edwards, Smotherman. You have Stephens/Mathias. Davis can fill multiple areas.
2. You can't look at ONE Final Four and make determinations. This was the first time in 7 years that 3 #1 seeds made the Final Four. And in the last 7 years, only one other had even 2 #1 seeds make the Final Four. So to act like this is the norm is not true. There's also been a 7+ seed in each of the last four Final Fours. And in the last 7 years, out of 28 teams - only 13 were #1 or #2 seeds. And 3 of those were this year. So take out this year and the 10/24 teams in the previous 6 years were 1/2 seeds.
So to act like the Final Four is always stacked with teams we could never compete with is absolutely misleading.
